[PGT] Canucks at [Expletive deleted] - Round 1 - Game 6

[CanucksJay]

58 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

'I can't stand' it: Canucks coach Rick Tocchet tired of embellishment in playoffs

The Canucks coach says he's not pointing fingers at Edmonton but that 'I would be very on guard with the refs this playoff with this embellishment'

https://canoe.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/i-cant-stand-it-canucks-coach-rick-tocchet-tired-of-embellishment-in-playoffs/wcm/fdb3c59f-8ac1-4b04-89df-4383f98c7d51

 

32 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

He's not pointing fingers at Edmonton, but he's pointing fingers at Edmonton 

 

RT is the man. 

The league and the Canucks both know reffing screwed us first round but he was doing PR work to get an even playing field this round. Unfortunately it was at the sacrifice of Petey who didn't get many calls in his favor last round. 

Great news is RT and Colin are on the same page which means McWhiner is toast. His tears will fall on deaf ears

 

Penalties were 22-13 in a 6 game series that we won.

How does that even happen?

The league knows what they did and to see the canucks still come out on top earned their respect. 

 

Just goes to show that in the old boys club that is the NHL, you need to tow the line even when getting screwed in hopes that being compliant will give you a better chance next time. 

Good thing RT knows how the NHL works. He's got future old boy's club member written all over him. 

It's taken over a decade to rid ourselves of Mike Gillis hatred from the NHL. 

Gillis wasn't wrong in the things he said but he went about it like a lawyer in a courtroom when the NHL is actually shady AF and needs to be dealt in the backroom. 

 

 

 

[CanucksJay]

First round penalty stats (minor penalties) 

 

Vegas 16 Dallas 14 

Series tied 3-3

 

Winnipeg 22 Col 19

Col wins 4-1

 

EDM 18 LA 25

Edm wins 4-1

 

Van 26 Nash 17

Van wins 4-2

 

Fla 25 Tampa 17

Florida wins 4-1

 

Bos 27 Tor 24

Boston wins 4-3

 

NYR 19 Wash 18

NYR wins 4-0

 

Car 16 NYI 21

Car wins 4-1

 

The Tampa and Florida series was the other one that was an anomoly in terms of a big PP discrepancy in favor of the losing team. But it makes sense when you see how the series went. 

Fla Tampa first 2 games was close in terms of penalties but Fla took a 2-0 series lead. 

Game 3 was 5 penalties for Fla against 1 for Tampa. 

I guess the refs really didn't want Fla to go up 3-0. But Fla won and went up 3-0 in the series. Next game? More of the same. Penalties 8-4.

Thats a 8 penalty differential in 2 games while the league tried to get Tampa back into the series. 

 

Just goes to show how much better Fla is. 

[Ilunga]

3 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

Lol go tell mommy

 

The league is the one that first used the word "parity" 

 

Here's a question for you. 

 

If a team is over matched and the opposing (winning) team is killing them in posession and drew a bunch of (legit) penalties (say 5 penalties to 1 penalties) and are up 6-1 and a player on trailing team slightly hooks a player, do you think the refs call them for their 6th penalty or ignore it?  

Now if the situation was reversed and a player on the team that is up 6-1 and has had a 5-1 advantage in PP makes a slight hook, do you think the refs call it and give the losing team their 2nd PP? 

 

I think we all know the answer to that one. 

If you don't, I suggest you start watching hockey. 

 

 

 

I wasn't " calling my mommy " as you put it.

 

Deb questioned why I used the words conspiracy theory. 

 

This and your other posts illustrate why I did.

 

You believe that there is a NHL conspiracy in regards to the officiating in games. 

 

What I know, to a that as Deb stated, the reffs are human.

They make mistakes.

 

Again there is inconsistent officiating in all sports.

My friends and I talk about this when we watch games.

 

 

 

[Ilunga]

2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

First round penalty stats (minor penalties) 

 

Vegas 16 Dallas 14 

Series tied 3-3

 

Winnipeg 22 Col 19

Col wins 4-1

 

EDM 18 LA 25

Edm wins 4-1

 

Van 26 Nash 17

Van wins 4-2

 

Fla 25 Tampa 17

Florida wins 4-1

 

Bos 27 Tor 24

Boston wins 4-3

 

NYR 19 Wash 18

NYR wins 4-0

 

Car 16 NYI 21

Car wins 4-1

 

The Tampa and Florida series was the other one that was an anomoly in terms of a big PP discrepancy in favor of the losing team. But it makes sense when you see how the series went. 

Fla Tampa first 2 games was close in terms of penalties but Fla took a 2-0 series lead. 

Game 3 was 5 penalties for Fla against 1 for Tampa. 

I guess the refs really didn't want Fla to go up 3-0. But Fla won and went up 3-0 in the series. Next game? More of the same. Penalties 8-4.

Thats a 8 penalty differential in 2 games while the league tried to get Tampa back into the series. 

 

Just goes to show how much better Fla is. 

 

You do realise that you have just contradicted your parity argument.

 

If the league does want Parity, why would they " rig " games to help a team that has won a couple of cups in the last few years ? 

 

That is actually the opposite of parity.

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, Ilunga said:

 

You do realise that you have just contradicted your parity argument.

 

If the league does want Parity, why would they " rig " games to help a team that has won a couple of cups in the last few years ? 

 

That is actually the opposite of parity.

 

Nope

They want the series and rounds to last longer and create more excitement which means more fans and TV revenue. 

 

Sweeps and fast series are the opposite of a money maker.. 

 

Dynasties and multiple cup championships from a large market US team is good for revenue. 

 

I'm starting to think you have no business sense. 

 

You still haven't answered my question about the penalty situation relative to score and number of penalties called up to a point in a game. 

 

You use the word conspiracy but I use the term "game management". 

 

Basically the league puts more value in excitement and future revenue rather than reffing accurately and fairly. 

 

[stawns]

2 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

You do realise that you have just contradicted your parity argument.

 

If the league does want Parity, why would they " rig " games to help a team that has won a couple of cups in the last few years ? 

 

That is actually the opposite of parity.

 

Don't even bother.  You can't have an actual discussion with some people here.

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

 

Nope

They want the series and rounds to last longer and create more excitement which means more fans and TV revenue. 

 

Sweeps and fast series are the opposite of a money maker.. 

 

Dynasties and multiple cup championships from a large market US team is good for revenue. 

 

I'm starting to think you have no business sense. 

 

You still haven't answered my question about the penalty situation relative to score and number of penalties called up to a point in a game. 

 

You use the word conspiracy but I use the term "game management". 

 

Basically the league puts more value in excitement and future revenue rather than reffing accurately and fairly. 

 

 

I haven't answered your question because it's a ridiculous question. 

One could argue about any game " situation".

 

And do you run a business ?

I do.

While I will never be, rich in money, I am in a place I love, doing what I love. 

Carrying on my parents legacy.

That's as successful as a person can be.

 

And what has any of this post have to do about your claim, the league wants parity ?

 

As I stated favouring teams that have won multiple championships is actually the opposite of parity.

 

Now you have changed tack and the conspiracy is in regards to revenue, not parity.

 

There are two variations of the definition of the words conspiracy, this one fits best in the context of our discussion

 

" the action of plotting or conspiring " 

 

You are stating the league ( NHL) is plotting/ conspiring to manage games in regards to the parity in the league, and now extending that claim in regards to revenue generated by games.

 

[CanucksJay]

28 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

 

I haven't answered your question because it's a ridiculous question. 

One could argue about any game " situation".

 

And do you run a business ?

I do.

While I will never be, rich in money, I am in a place I love, doing what I love. 

Carrying on my parents legacy.

That's as successful as a person can be.

 

And what has any of this post have to do about your claim, the league wants parity ?

 

As I stated favouring teams that have won multiple championships is actually the opposite of parity.

 

Now you have changed tack and the conspiracy is in regards to revenue, not parity.

 

There are two variations of the definition of the words conspiracy, this one fits best in the context of our discussion

 

" the action of plotting or conspiring " 

 

You are stating the league ( NHL) is plotting/ conspiring to manage games in regards to the parity in the league, and now extending that claim in regards to revenue generated by games.

 

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of what generates more revenue for the entirety of the NHL when looking at the big picture...

When we speak of parity, we mean close games that keeps fans of a city interested in the sport when they are trying to grow and expand. 

 

To simplify things for you, just think of it this way. 

Say you are in charge of the entire league and have 32 franchises. 

While each franchise wants to do their best to make money, with revenue sharing set in place, all 32 franchises have the same goal of maximizing revenue of the entire league (all 32 teams combined) 

Basically they don't want to fight for a larger piece of the pie. Instead they want to make the pie larger so they each make more. 

 

That is why we see game management in this sport. If a franchise with a weak fan base in a, large US market is constantly watching their team lose, chances are, ppl will stop going to the games, stop buying merchandise, and stop watching the games on tv (tv revenue). 

The teams with a great fan base like Toronto or Montreal will continue to do well but what happens is, ownership realizes that their market is already saturated and there is little ROI left in their market. As a result, they see collectively that the success of a franchise in a large US market will actually give them better ROI. 

 

The NHL is in the business of entertainment. It's no longer just sports. The more entertaining the product, the more opportunities for growth and revenue. 

 

It's quite simple

 

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

 

Don't even bother.  You can't have an actual discussion with some people here.

Yeah it's probably better he just pokes his head in the sand like you after getting called out. 

[Snoop Hogg]

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

I'm sorry you don't understand the concept of what generates more revenue for the entirety of the NHL when looking at the big picture...

When we speak of parity, we mean close games that keeps fans of a city interested in the sport when they are trying to grow and expand. 

 

To simplify things for you, just think of it this way. 

Say you are in charge of the entire league and have 32 franchises. 

While each franchise wants to do their best to make money, with revenue sharing set in place, all 32 franchises have the same goal of maximizing revenue of the entire league (all 32 teams combined) 

Basically they don't want to fight for a larger piece of the pie. Instead they want to make the pie larger so they each make more. 

 

That is why we see game management in this sport. If a franchise with a weak fan base in a, large US market is constantly watching their team lose, chances are, ppl will stop going to the games, stop buying merchandise, and stop watching the games on tv (tv revenue). 

The teams with a great fan base like Toronto or Montreal will continue to do well but what happens is, ownership realizes that their market is already saturated and there is little ROI left in their market. As a result, they see collectively that the success of a franchise in a large US market will actually give them better ROI. 

 

The NHL is in the business of entertainment. It's no longer just sports. The more entertaining the product, the more opportunities for growth and revenue. 

 

It's quite simple

 

 

So " basically " in this post, you are stating that all the teams, including the Canucks are in on the conspiracy.

Because all the teams, including the Canucks want a " larger pie ".

 

And sports have always been entertainment.

One has always watched a sport to be entertained.

Also socialising, watching or going to games with friends to be entertained. 

 

 

[CanucksJay]

3 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

So " basically " in this post, you are stating that all the teams, including the Canucks are in on the conspiracy.

Because all the teams, including the Canucks want a " larger pie ".

 

And sports have always been entertainment.

One has always watched a sport to be entertained.

Also socialising, watching or going to games with friends to be entertained. 

 

 

 

I already said the owners are ok with Bettman running things as long as they keep seeing record profits. 

They care about their bottom dollars. Ofcourse if their team gets screwed, they'll be upset but not to the point they'll cause a mutiny to get rid of Bettman because again it's an old boys club and they'll end up on an island by themselves. 

Sports is a competition that is entertaining because of the competitive nature but when the league starts getting watered down because of expansion to southern markets, they need to manufacture entertainment sometimes. If you don't know, now you know lol

 

Also there is bias and prejudice in the NHL when it comes to refereeing. 

 

Do you believe Auger or Burrows? 

Do you believe NHL has a list of known divers? (this one I'm ok with but again, it is technically prejudice if some players are singled out on a list and calls in their favour are harder to come by. 

Have you read the private Colin Campbell email that was in the court documents? 

 

Id suggest you either get educated first or stick to watching rugby

 

 

 

[Ilunga]

36 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

 

I already said the owners are ok with Bettman running things as long as they keep seeing record profits. 

They care about their bottom dollars. Ofcourse if their team gets screwed, they'll be upset but not to the point they'll cause a mutiny to get rid of Bettman because again it's an old boys club and they'll end up on an island by themselves. 

Sports is a competition that is entertaining because of the competitive nature but when the league starts getting watered down because of expansion to southern markets, they need to manufacture entertainment sometimes. If you don't know, now you know lol

 

Also there is bias and prejudice in the NHL when it comes to refereeing. 

 

Do you believe Auger or Burrows? 

Do you believe NHL has a list of known divers? (this one I'm ok with but again, it is technically prejudice if some players are singled out on a list and calls in their favour are harder to come by. 

Have you read the private Colin Campbell email that was in the court documents? 

 

Id suggest you either get educated first or stick to watching rugby

 

 

 

 

What kinda amazes me is how some events coincide with each other in a person's life 

 

I was listening to a Radio National show while I was bunching flowers today.

 

The show is called 

All in the Mind.

It's about the mind, brain and behaviour, and the interactions between them.

 

Todays episode was about conspiracy theorists. 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/allinthemind/how-to-help-conspiracy-theory-ex-believer/103727824

 

 

[CanucksJay]

1 hour ago, Ilunga said:

 

What kinda amazes me is how some events coincide with each other in a person's life 

 

I was listening to a Radio National show while I was bunching flowers today.

 

The show is called 

All in the Mind.

It's about the mind, brain and behaviour, and the interactions between them.

 

Todays episode was about conspiracy theorists. 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/allinthemind/how-to-help-conspiracy-theory-ex-believer/103727824

 

 

That's great. 

Ignore the facts and listen to your radio. To each their own I guess

[-dlc-]

On 5/3/2024 at 7:01 PM, Grinch said:

Oilers stomped LA 

 

LA stomped nucks 

 

 

 

got our work cut out 

We stomped the Oilers

[ChetGunderson]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:42 AM, Blue said:

I heard it wasn't Shelovs. So what is it ?

 

Shorthouse does the she ever so slightly. He goes 50/50 on it 

We say Shelob in my house, the spider! 

 

 

Edited May 6 by ChetGunderson

[NHL Tyranny]

So where's the GDT for Game 1? I'm already too excited to wind up this boombox

 

My prediction is Nucks in 6, the league will favor the Coilers because of McWhiner being a poster for the game. That said, they should be ambivalent enough to give the Nucks a decent chance provided its PK the 5 on 5 remains strong. I look forward to seeing the PP differential in this series.

 

Too bad Bedard didn't miraculously hit our roster to even out the hype. Regardless of the outcome, Edmonton doesn't deserve McWhiner after their annual shenanigans that provoked the lottery system.

 

GCG!

[stawns]

4 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

What kinda amazes me is how some events coincide with each other in a person's life 

 

I was listening to a Radio National show while I was bunching flowers today.

 

The show is called 

All in the Mind.

It's about the mind, brain and behaviour, and the interactions between them.

 

Todays episode was about conspiracy theorists. 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/allinthemind/how-to-help-conspiracy-theory-ex-believer/103727824

 

 

 

The perpetual victims are already setting themselves up if the Canucks lose.  It can never be because a team played better or are better........it's because the league, refs, other owners etc are either for their opponents or against the Canucks.  It's not really any different than MAGA in the US........same mindset 

 

If you challenge their fragile reality, then you hate the Canucks too and actively cheer against them.  It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with people who think that way.

 

 

[snowman955]

Kelly's Heros, Donald Sutherland quote "too much negativity". 

 

We either support our team or leave. 

 

Bettman, politics and our forum don't mix well. 

Over the years of following the Canucks, ups and downs were taken with pride.

Our team is legitimate this year and going forward.

I pledge my allegiance to this team.

[CanucksJay]

2 hours ago, stawns said:

 

The perpetual victims are already setting themselves up if the Canucks lose.  It can never be because a team played better or are better........it's because the league, refs, other owners etc are either for their opponents or against the Canucks.  It's not really any different than MAGA in the US........same mindset 

 

If you challenge their fragile reality, then you hate the Canucks too and actively cheer against them.  It's not possible to have a reasonable discussion with people who think that way.

 

 

 

I think the only ones cheering for the Oilers to win is you. 

I predict canucks in 6. 

This series will be better reffed because the NHL doesn't have as much skin in the game whether oilers win or lose. There's the marketability of Mcdavid but it's evened out by the craphole that is the city of Edmonton that no one really cares about. 

The Canucks org played politics well and did not complain about the reffing last round. RT meeting behind closed doors with Campbell to talk about embellishment will be helpful. As much as @Ilungamight deny it, I'm sure an email has gone out to the reffing team this round to talk about embellishment. You will not see a special team discrepancy like last round. 26-17? That's just crazy. Nashville wasn't playing good enough to draw 50% more penalties than us. 

The fact we're complaining after having won the series probably means there's merit to the complaint. 

Zadorov is a guy who says it like it is. I don't think anyone would say he's got a fragile victim mentality and he called out the refs. 

In fact the only fragile victim mentality comments I've seen on this board usually come from you. 

We're constantly reminded you're a teacher who adjusts to every students' needs with 18 different learning plans etc etc blah blah snooze.... (which also seems highly unlikely because you are on this board way too much (like the rest of us) to be productive as a teacher... 

You're also the one that cried about your junior hockey days and how a leader like JT Miller is toxic yet here are the Canucks winning and playing their best hockey while you are probably sitting on your couch grading remedial math eating nachos. 

 

[PeteyBoeser]

If we stay out of the box we get a chance. Don’t give refs a reason to call a penalty. Always move your skate to draw penalties but we suck on pp and usually kills the momentum so don’t draw any penalties.

[tas]

2 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

There's the marketability of Mcdavid

unfortunately for the league, the guy being an absolute drip, just a total personality black hole, counters out the marketability of his obvious skills. 

 

just a terrible face for the league. 

[The Arrogant Worms]

Edmonton Oilers waiting impatiently for shot at Vancouver Canucks

"Those three games were six or seven months ago.  We’re a different team and whatever happened during the regular season doesn’t mean anything.”

https://canoe.com/sports/edmonton-oilers-waiting-impatiently-for-shot-at-vancouver-canucks/wcm/9f3291d0-69bc-40ae-ba66-3a3e95f11779

[snowman955]

Kevin Bieksa is promoting the Canucks during post game. He's amazingly. 

[Ilunga]

7 hours ago, CanucksJay said:

 

I think the only ones cheering for the Oilers to win is you. 

I predict canucks in 6. 

This series will be better reffed because the NHL doesn't have as much skin in the game whether oilers win or lose. There's the marketability of Mcdavid but it's evened out by the craphole that is the city of Edmonton that no one really cares about. 

The Canucks org played politics well and did not complain about the reffing last round. RT meeting behind closed doors with Campbell to talk about embellishment will be helpful. As much as @Ilungamight deny it, I'm sure an email has gone out to the reffing team this round to talk about embellishment. You will not see a special team discrepancy like last round. 26-17? That's just crazy. Nashville wasn't playing good enough to draw 50% more penalties than us. 

The fact we're complaining after having won the series probably means there's merit to the complaint. 

Zadorov is a guy who says it like it is. I don't think anyone would say he's got a fragile victim mentality and he called out the refs. 

In fact the only fragile victim mentality comments I've seen on this board usually come from you. 

We're constantly reminded you're a teacher who adjusts to every students' needs with 18 different learning plans etc etc blah blah snooze.... (which also seems highly unlikely because you are on this board way too much (like the rest of us) to be productive as a teacher... 

You're also the one that cried about your junior hockey days and how a leader like JT Miller is toxic yet here are the Canucks winning and playing their best hockey while you are probably sitting on your couch grading remedial math eating nachos. 

 

 

I will agree with our coach both in regards to the officiating in the series against Nashville, the upcoming series against Edmonton in regards to embellishment.

 

" I can't stand it: Canucks coach Rick Tocchet tired of  embellishment in playoffs " 

 

 

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/i-cant-stand-it-canucks-coach-rick-tocchet-tired-of-embellishment-in-playoffs

 

 

" So what's Rick Tocchet's take on the on the officiating in the in the post season ? 

" Brad Watson was our ( referee ) supervisor and he was excellent " said Tocchet who's the Canucks head coach " it's the best communication I've had with the referees in the playoffs in a long time. I thought the refs did a really good job. 

 

" Am I going to nitpick ?

Do I think we should have had a couple more (power plays) ? Yeah I do " 

 

Tocchet then went on to say he does have an issue with diving, flopping and other shady tactics players across the league are using to try and sucker referees into calling penalties. 

 

He did not call out a specific team or player. He does seem to have company in his thinking, considering he was part of a meeting with the NHL head office brass in sunday and Tocchet explained that " I'm glad Colin Campbell said - it too much embellishing ".

 

So I don't know about an email however embellishment has been discussed by the NHL " head office brass ". 

 

I am glad our coach is voicing his concerns.