Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Our team has no identity and in that sense tonight was a huge failure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Honestly, I am not sure how management and the coaching staff could adequately learn anything from this game. They sent a bunch of kids and AHLers out there that have little to no experience together against an NHL team that has been together for many years. How many games have Woo and Hirose played together? How many games have Hoglander and Karlsson played together? Silovs doesn't even have 60 pro games under his belt. Not NHL games, PRO games. It was completely bad form to send those kids out there against that team. And to the posters that laughed at that Calgary roster? Aged pretty poorly huh? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSAcanuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Given the disparity between the lineups I’m not really surprised or particularly concerned about the result. What I am more eagerly watching is if our preseason follows the path of playing a close to full nhl lineup only in the last few games or if they use more of the preseason to build the foundation for a good start to the season. Preseason may not matter on the scoreboard but look at how different teams handle it and you see patterns emerge with teams that start well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Dumb Nuck said: Our team has no identity and in that sense tonight was a huge failure. Enough with the no identity garbage especially preseason game one with minor leaguers and rookies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, JeremyCuddles said: Honestly, I am not sure how management and the coaching staff could adequately learn anything from this game. They sent a bunch of kids and AHLers out there that have little to no experience together against an NHL team that has been together for many years. How many games have Woo and Hirose played together? How many games have Hoglander and Karlsson played together? Silovs doesn't even have 60 pro games under his belt. Not NHL games, PRO games. It was completely bad form to send those kids out there against that team. And to the posters that laughed at that Calgary roster? Aged pretty poorly huh? 1 minute ago, WSAcanuck said: Given the disparity between the lineups I’m not really surprised or particularly concerned about the result. What I am more eagerly watching is if our preseason follows the path of playing a close to full nhl lineup only in the last few games or if they use more of the preseason to build the foundation for a good start to the season. Preseason may not matter on the scoreboard but look at how different teams handle it and you see patterns emerge with teams that start well. It should be concerning that some of our older prospects are clearly not ready for the NHL. Guys like Woo and Rathbone are now on extremely short leashes and likely to be put on waivers soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I hope Bains draws into the lineup next game. I’m curious to see how he plays, given how strong he finished in Abby last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jack Gordon Posted September 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2023 "Incredibly, in a whitewash like this one, Akito Hirose was not on the ice for a single Flames goal. And it wasn't like he was sheltered in any way. Hirose was second on the Canucks in ice time (21:07) and even saw time on the penalty kill and somehow managed to keep the Calgary shooters at bay. In the battle for a spot on the big league roster, Hirose continued to show his value to the decision-makers in the organization" https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/analysis/flames-10-canucks-0-pre-season-postgame-patdown 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I'm not thrilled by the score but I am thrilled that the first preseason game covered on this forum already has 84+ pages of comments. Makes my cold heart warm! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Jack Gordon said: "Incredibly, in a whitewash like this one, Akito Hirose was not on the ice for a single Flames goal. And it wasn't like he was sheltered in any way. Hirose was second on the Canucks in ice time (21:07) and even saw time on the penalty kill and somehow managed to keep the Calgary shooters at bay. In the battle for a spot on the big league roster, Hirose continued to show his value to the decision-makers in the organization" https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/analysis/flames-10-canucks-0-pre-season-postgame-patdown I’m usually pretty good at math but I’m drunk, if there was a goal every 6 minutes and he played 21:07, what would have been the odd to predict that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: It should be concerning that some of our older prospects are clearly not ready for the NHL. Guys like Woo and Rathbone are now on extremely short leashes and likely to be put on waivers soon. The fact that Woo hasn't been called up for a single regular season game 5 years after being drafted should tell you everything you need to know. If the organization had any faith in him at all he would have at least had a few games with the big club when they were decimated by injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Dumb Nuck said: I’m usually pretty good at math but I’m drunk, if there was a goal every 6 minutes and he played 21:07, what would have been the odd to predict that? As somebody who majored in mathematics... Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said: I’m usually pretty good at math but I’m drunk, if there was a goal every 6 minutes and he played 21:07, what would have been the odd to predict that? I guess roughly 1/3^10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlockerHigh Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Ballisticsports said: I don't think Rathbone is even close to being a ready NHL player ,whether he stays or not with the organization, he hasn't increased his value to any team and would be a throw in on any deal I think we’ve all been rooting for him. He’s a great skater, good with the puck and a character kid. The issue is how he’s been in the org for 4 seasons now? Maybe 3 could stand corrected on that. At some point he’s got to stand out and show he’s going to take the spot. He’s had some injury issues and has never played more than 40 games, so who knows, maybe he needs another year in abby to stay healthy and just learn to dominate defensively. He’s only 24 and I’m not too worried about losing him on waivers as every team has their own Jack Rathbone type player(s). I don’t think we need to move him just yet, he’s only 24. Even if he eventually takes a spot at 26 and stays that could be 8 years of a very good player. You don’t work with a player for 3-4 years and dump him when the road could be only 1-2 more. He’s got no value now, so why not try to work with him for another 2 years. Perfect situation is he clears, sent to Abby, is used as a call up. Plays the well in those moments. And plays a full season in Abby in all situations and learns to be strong defensively. I trust Coliton will get the best out of him. He just has to stay healthy. Edited September 25, 2023 by BlockerHigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: It should be concerning that some of our older prospects are clearly not ready for the NHL. Guys like Woo and Rathbone are now on extremely short leashes and likely to be put on waivers soon. Why? Because they didn't carry a bunch of kids and longshots with no experience together against Calgary's A team? That doesn't make sense. Even in the NBA it's unrealistic to ask even the best of players to carry scrubs. This game literally taught us nothing. That's like me asking you to catch a fish with a fork and two pylons and saying "well guess this goof can't catch fish." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Dizzle said: You changed what I said…attributed it to me. Then responded. That’s not paraphrasing. It’s flat out misquoting…. Misquoting would be something you did not intend to mean. But that's not the case here. Okay. I'm gonna copy paste your original statement since we're having a bit of a communication breakdown here: "I mean… doesn’t management have some responsibility to not let that happen to our guys?" Paraphased "How could management let that happen" You are clearly insinuating management has some duty to not let that happen and hinting at a level of blame. So I ask not let what happen. ie. What blame. You know I didn't misquote you as much as you might want to think. The intention and CHARGE is exactly the same in both original statement and paraprased. I was just cutting to the chase. But if you want to continue tumbling down this semantical rabbit hole, read your original statement with my reply. It's exactly the same reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jack Gordon said: "Incredibly, in a whitewash like this one, Akito Hirose was not on the ice for a single Flames goal. And it wasn't like he was sheltered in any way. Hirose was second on the Canucks in ice time (21:07) and even saw time on the penalty kill and somehow managed to keep the Calgary shooters at bay. In the battle for a spot on the big league roster, Hirose continued to show his value to the decision-makers in the organization" https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/analysis/flames-10-canucks-0-pre-season-postgame-patdown I am sure he will be rewarded and paired in a more veteran exhibition game, while others who did not grab the opportunity will be moved out to improve on farm teams and now believe what the coach was saying about how tough it is and quickly things happen (and also how quickly a NHL opportunity can be lost as well The NHL is not a development team and these players have been shown now how much they have to go yet 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Honestly, I am not sure how management and the coaching staff could adequately learn anything from this game. They sent a bunch of kids and AHLers out there that have little to no experience together against an NHL team that has been together for many years. How many games have Woo and Hirose played together? How many games have Hoglander and Karlsson played together? Silovs doesn't even have 60 pro games under his belt. Not NHL games, PRO games. It was completely bad form to send those kids out there against that team. And to the posters that laughed at that Calgary roster? Aged pretty poorly huh? To be honest, I think it was a rather poorly thought out way of giving these guys some big league ice time against a pretty set Flames squad. See who showed any big league promise. Pre season just started but I guess Rick wants to get on with the token ice time fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Miss Korea said: It should be concerning that some of our older prospects are clearly not ready for the NHL. Guys like Woo and Rathbone are now on extremely short leashes and likely to be put on waivers soon. Yep. And them be the breaks. The cream rises as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: The fact that Woo hasn't been called up for a single regular season game 5 years after being drafted should tell you everything you need to know. If the organization had any faith in him at all he would have at least had a few games with the big club when they were decimated by injuries. and when we had a poor defence, which should have made it easier then to get a game or two in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 To be fair , The Lames probably dressed 45-50% of their roster..we had maybe 4-5 regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, RWJC said: Basically they were trying and only a few were ok If they were trying and need more teaching as he said (and I thought) doubtful most of them get another look in preseason and get sent down to work on it (as I thought) We will not see a lineup like this again this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, MikeyD said: It's a waste of time considering we do the same thing every year and start out poorly only playing our NHL players in 2 games of preseason and come out slow every time. The past several years we've done this charade and we land in the same spot every year. Struggling out of the gate. Be careful not to to attribute what happened in the past, especially when fueled with emotional bias, to the here and now. What happened 5 years ago or even 2 years ago has nothing to do with this. I know its easy to see patterns and this just being another one of those things (previous and continuous trauma of being a Canucks fan lol.) but that can have a tendency to cloud our judgment. Good survival trait IRL to be sure, but not great for an analytical approach to observation. But hey you do you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlockerHigh Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Honestly, I am not sure how management and the coaching staff could adequately learn anything from this game. They sent a bunch of kids and AHLers out there that have little to no experience together against an NHL team that has been together for many years. How many games have Woo and Hirose played together? How many games have Hoglander and Karlsson played together? Silovs doesn't even have 60 pro games under his belt. Not NHL games, PRO games. It was completely bad form to send those kids out there against that team. And to the posters that laughed at that Calgary roster? Aged pretty poorly huh? Personally I think it was to test compete and attitude who wants it more they weren’t going to win but they wanted to see who competed for 60 mins, who wouldn’t get lazy or quit Tocchet’s whole approach this season was meet pressure with pressure players who stood out for effort, details, smart plays tonight will have separated themselves from the pack 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chon derry Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Why? Because they didn't carry a bunch of kids and longshots with no experience together against Calgary's A team? That doesn't make sense. Even in the NBA it's unrealistic to ask even the best of players to carry scrubs. This game literally taught us nothing. That's like me asking you to catch a fish with a fork and two pylons and saying "well guess this goof can't catch fish." During the first part of any given salmon season the coho up here are so hungry. We drilled a hole in both ends of a teaspoon , clips , leaders a hook to see if it would work on a flasher. Yup. Caught lots of coho with a teaspoon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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