Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Just now, canuck73_3 said: This was at most 10% of the roster wtf are you going on about identity for? Because our identity is that of a soft team, not a good thing in hockey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted September 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Miss Korea said: It should be concerning that some of our older prospects are clearly not ready for the NHL. Guys like Woo and Rathbone are now on extremely short leashes and likely to be put on waivers soon. Woo and Rathbone will easily clear waivers. So might be the only good news of the night. The bad news is they will probably never make the NHL anyways so it’s a moot point. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Canuckle said: because icing an ahl roster in the preseason has anything to do with the first game with the NHL team, the first week with the NHL team, the first month with the NHL team? not the most convincing argument Travis Green no longer is a head coach because of this exact thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Of this roster that is supposedly so fragile mentally that this game could have ruined careers: Goalies: Arturs Silovs - 5 NHL GP Zach Sawchenko - 7 NHL GP Jonathan Lemieux - 0 NHL GP Defencemen: Jack Rathbone - 28 NHL GP Akita Hirose - 7 NHL GP Jett Woo - 0 GP Filip Johansson - 0 GP Noah Juulsen - 68 NHL GP Cole McWard - 5 NHL GP Matt Irwin - 461 NHL GP Forwards: Sheldon Dries - 122 NHL GP Danila Klimovich - 0 NHL GP Aatu Raty - 15 NHL GP Nils Hoglander - 131 NHL GP Jack Studnicka - 85 NHL GP Pius Suter - 216 NHL GP Aidan McDonough - 6 NHL GP Max Sasson - 0 NHL GP Jermaine Loewen - 0 NHL GP Dakota Joshua - 121 NHL GP Nils Aman - 68 NHL GP Vasili Podkolzin - 118 NHL GP Linus Karlsson - 0 NHL GP Most of these players have a cup of coffee or much more already in the NHL. Some of the roster was probably being rewarded for a good camp and as such were given some experience as to what the NHL requires from them. At any rate, for those defending how horrible this was, hopefully the list of GP above proves that the majority of these players knew what they were in for and I highly doubt they want anybody's pity. I would argue in fact that all they want is the experience they got...to play against NHL level competition. REALITY. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 this is so typical of canucks fans. Do you not see this, all our rookies against Calgary playoff team and we were equal or better as follows: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Travis Green no longer is a head coach because of this exact thinking. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tusk said: this is so typical of canucks fans. Do you not see this, all our rookies against Calgary playoff team and we were equal or better as follows: In all honesty when you score 10 goals you do lose a lot of SOGs because no rebounds and there was a huge discrepancy in the quality of scoring chances. Faceoffs look good, PP is terrible, Edited September 25, 2023 by Dumb Nuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Canuckle said: No. I’m curious as to where in our conference you think we will finish this year. Edited September 25, 2023 by Dumb Nuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said: In all honesty when you score 10 goals you do lose a lot of SOGs because no rebounds and there was a huge discrepancy in the quality of scoring chances. Faceoffs look good, PP is terrible, J. Huberdeau, Kadri, and Dube couldnt even get a hat-trick on our AHL line-up. I think we did fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Tusk said: J. Huberdeau, Kadri, and Dube couldnt even get a hat-trick on our AHL line-up. I think we did fine I’m sorry but 10-0 is not fine. Coyotes played 5 games in 3 days with half their team in Australia and their worst game was 7-0. Edited September 25, 2023 by Dumb Nuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Just now, Dumb Nuck said: I’m curious as to where in our conference we will finish this year. Million dollar question ain't it. In the words of grey balls Rutherford, "we have a playoff team if everything goes right" I agree. At this point I have them pegged around 104 points (barring major injury to crucial core players (knock on wood.)) But we've seen what the depth looks like so... not all that reassuring. But best case? 3rd in division, 6th or 7th in the Conference Perhaps battling with Minnesota. Somewhere in there. If... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusk Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, RWJC said: Of this roster that is supposedly so fragile mentally that this game could have ruined careers: Goalies: Arturs Silovs - 5 NHL GP Zach Sawchenko - 7 NHL GP Jonathan Lemieux - 0 NHL GP Defencemen: Jack Rathbone - 28 NHL GP Akita Hirose - 7 NHL GP Jett Woo - 0 GP Filip Johansson - 0 GP Noah Juulsen - 68 NHL GP Cole McWard - 5 NHL GP Matt Irwin - 461 NHL GP Forwards: Sheldon Dries - 122 NHL GP Danila Klimovich - 0 NHL GP Aatu Raty - 15 NHL GP Nils Hoglander - 131 NHL GP Jack Studnicka - 85 NHL GP Pius Suter - 216 NHL GP Aidan McDonough - 6 NHL GP Max Sasson - 0 NHL GP Jermaine Loewen - 0 NHL GP Dakota Joshua - 121 NHL GP Nils Aman - 68 NHL GP Vasili Podkolzin - 118 NHL GP Linus Karlsson - 0 NHL GP Most of these players have a cup of coffee or much more already in the NHL. Some of the roster was probably being rewarded for a good camp and as such were given some experience as to what the NHL requires from them. At any rate, for those defending how horrible this was, hopefully the list of GP above proves that the majority of these players knew what they were in for and I highly doubt they want anybody's pity. I would argue in fact that all they want is the experience they got...to play against NHL level competition. REALITY. Yes. Reality is needed for most of these guys who have played over 20 games and still not on roster. We like them but need more. Calgary played a team that looked like their playoff team and to be honest, they did well on scoreboard but thats it: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Canuckle said: Million dollar question ain't it. In the words of grey balls Rutherford, "we have a playoff team if everything goes right" I agree. At this point I have them pegged around 104 points (barring major injury to crucial core players (knock on wood.)) But we've seen what the depth looks like so... not all that reassuring. But best case? 3rd in division, 6th or 7th in the Conference Perhaps battling with Minnesota. Somewhere in there. If... I predicted 10th in the prediction thread and I’m a kinda gambling guy, seems you think we make the playoffs, I say we don’t. I’d bet you $50, loser donates it to Canucks Place, and all the laughing the winner wants at the others expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, RWJC said: these players knew what they were in for and I highly doubt they want anybody's pity. I would argue in fact that all they want is the experience they got...to play against NHL level competition. REALITY. 100%. Professional athletes... living out their dreams playing hockey to the highest levels in the world and making huge dollars doing so... being so unbelievably demoralized by a bad preseason game in the national league that it would scar and forever change them, haunt their dreams, make them dribble down their legs whenever they think of lacing up their skates again. Guys who skate full tilt and smash face, take pucks to the fucking dome, lose teeth, get beaten and bruised, play with broken fucking bones...? Guys want to play against the best-- They want to be the best! Whatever it takes, whatever the cost. And a player wouldn't even get to that level of competitive sport without that attitude to begin with!!! The whole thing is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said: I predicted 10th in the prediction thread and I’m a kinda gambling guy, seems you think we make the playoffs, I say we don’t. I’d bet you $50, loser donates it to Canucks Place, and all the laughing the winner wants at the others expense. in that case make it $100.00. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieCanuckinUK Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I know it is preseason...but still....WTF..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Canuckle said: 2 minutes ago, Canuckle said: in that case make it $100.00. oK, I created a thread to keep track, post there that you agree and the bet is on. Edited September 25, 2023 by Dumb Nuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken sticks Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I haven't read all 87 pages of this thread so this has probably been covered previously. I don't understand the logic behind sending a team full of AHL players and fringe NHLer's to play against a fully loaded NHL team. What could they possibly have learned from this? The Canuck players' confidence has been shattered, stomped on and laughed at. I was 100% in support of the new management but this stinks. It was a bad decision and we are owed an apology and a promise that it will never happen again. Disgraceful. For all of you who have played this game seriously, you know you are only as good as the other players on your team can make you. Our young Canucks need to play with and learn from the teammates who have been in the league for awhile - NOT play with the same AHL players they played with last year. Give your head a shake management, there's something loose up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, broken sticks said: I haven't read all 87 pages of this thread so this has probably been covered previously. indeed it has. And you're in luck. You only have to scroll back a few pages to find the answers to your questions. User RWJC has some very good comments worth pondering. Edited September 25, 2023 by Canuckle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckleheads Fan Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I understand, we all hate losing to the Lames, but c'mon, what was management going to do, dress the opening night roster for a nothing game and risk an injury? The Lames knew we would ice an AHL team, so they dressed their playoff roster and ran up the score so they could feel superior, big deal. I was hopeful Juulsen and/or Woo would stick because we need a right shot D to play with Hughes, but neither played like they want that spot. Sadly, Irwin looks like he played like crap too. I only saw the highlights, but based on +/- some players did okay, like Hirose, so maybe he sticks. When your top line is maybe your #4 line on on the opening night roster, plus Hogz and Podz, you are going to get cleaned, I'm sure it helped management figure out some of the first cuts. This is not a knock on organizational depth, no AHL team would have been remotely close to the team Calgary iced tonight. Suck it up and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Canuckleheads Fan said: I understand, we all hate losing to the Lames, but c'mon, what was management going to do, dress the opening night roster for a nothing game and risk an injury? The Lames knew we would ice an AHL team, so they dressed their playoff roster and ran up the score so they could feel superior, big deal. I was hopeful Juulsen and/or Woo would stick because we need a right shot D to play with Hughes, but neither played like they want that spot. Sadly, Irwin looks like he played like crap too. I only saw the highlights, but based on +/- some players did okay, like Hirose, so maybe he sticks. When your top line is maybe your #4 line on on the opening night roster, plus Hogz and Podz, you are going to get cleaned, I'm sure it helped management figure out some of the first cuts. This is not a knock on organizational depth, no AHL team would have been remotely close to the team Calgary iced tonight. Suck it up and move on. by your logic the regulars shouldn't play a single preseason games coz they are all mean nothing game and all a risk for an injury. playoff roster? they dressed 40% of the regulars.. they missed the playoff last year their players struggled last season they got a new coach.. probably a good idea to play the regulars more to get an idea how the coach wants them to play instead of just practice and figure it out in game 1 of the season. every preseason the coach and management current and past treats it like no big deal.. the regular plays about 2 games in the preseason usually 1 with non regular lineups where they test out combinations.. and 1 final tune up before regular season.. and every year the team starts off like they are still in training camp. is it really that hard to rotate a regular forward line and a defence pairing in each game so they can start building chemistry right away? not much to evaluate when you ice ahl vs nhl.. and not much to evaluate again when you ice ur nhl vs others ahl lineup. i'm sure the management already know whos the first cut even before this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kettlevalley Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 So did that help tell us who to re-assign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: by your logic the regulars shouldn't play a single preseason games coz they are all mean nothing game and all a risk for an injury. playoff roster? they dressed 40% of the regulars.. they missed the playoff last year their players struggled last season they got a new coach.. probably a good idea to play the regulars more to get an idea how the coach wants them to play instead of just practice and figure it out in game 1 of the season. every preseason the coach and management current and past treats it like no big deal.. the regular plays about 2 games in the preseason usually 1 with non regular lineups where they test out combinations.. and 1 final tune up before regular season.. and every year the team starts off like they are still in training camp. is it really that hard to rotate a regular forward line and a defence pairing in each game so they can start building chemistry right away? not much to evaluate when you ice ahl vs nhl.. and not much to evaluate again when you ice ur nhl vs others ahl lineup. i'm sure the management already know whos the first cut even before this game. I doubt more than 3-4 guys who played tonight will even make the team. If you want these guys to succeed then throw some veterans in the lineup. Calgary is a one and a half hour flight. It's not going to hurt some veterans to make the trip. Also, they are playing in Edmonton on Wednesday. So is everyone flying back to Victoria, or are they staying in Alberta? If they are staying in Alberta, then it even makes less sense that a few veterans didn't join the group earlier... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said: I predicted 10th in the prediction thread and I’m a kinda gambling guy, seems you think we make the playoffs, I say we don’t. I’d bet you $50, loser donates it to Canucks Place, and all the laughing the winner wants at the others expense. What if the club finishes 9th? You both lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27 Percent Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Dumb Nuck said: So les skilled, less horny Virt. Messier is less skilled than Virtanen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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