Popular Post RWJC Posted September 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thrago said: So what your saying is that Tochett and his coaches aren't smart enough to evaluate those players in practice and identify 6-7 of them are good enough to be able to fill an NHL role this year? If his thinking was that, man any of these guys could make the team I just don't know I'll have to play them all to see who's actually any good, instead of doing what he's supposed to do which is get the team ready for the NHL season. After all this is the NHL preseason not the AHL preseason. I'm wondering if you guys that are defending Tochett's extremely poor judgement lastnight are aware that the NHL preseason was shortened by two games this year from 8 to 6 games? There simply isn't time to be Fing around like this. The simple fact is that we now have 5 games to get the NHL squad ready for the regular season instead of 6 or the 8 in previous seasons and that is wholly unacceptable. We absolutely need to get off to a good start this year if we want any hope of making the playoffs. Anyways I'm sorry if I seem like I'm picking on you RWJC, your trying to see the bright side of things, and I'm just so tired of the Canucks doing stupid things I needed to vent. Don’t worry, I don’t feel picked on at all, but thank you. And no, that’s not at all what I’m saying. I was at camp and watched the full schedule. What I saw were a number of bubble players projected to possibly be on the main roster actually not stand out in any way. Average. If you’re icing an NHL roster, you take the best of what you have to choose from and you put them in the toughest position you can to see who actually performs and impresses on a consistent basis. Players need to step up, not blend in. And if you want to place them with NHL caliber talent, which the opportunity was presented for that in camp and again - not many stood out, you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water and continue to provide prime chances. You make them earn it. You keep them honest. People are arguing the game last night set them up for failure. Yeah, it did exactly that. That was part of the exercise. To see whom from that still has the balls to push themselves harder and play better to make the club. I have no problem with it. I don’t want to see passengers on this team this season. Everyone discusses having a good start. A good start happens when you have the right pieces in place. In terms of how teams prepare in the pre-season, if you look around the league every team generally posts a wide range of rosters as part of their early process. We are no different. There are other aspects to why we saw what we saw last night. It’s not simply about the main club, it also helps define what players require in continuing to invest developmental time into, how far they’ve progressed, and a measuring stick for how far away they truly are, etc etc. It’s not so cut and dry. Preseason is a tool for a variety of reasons that aren’t always so evident or about winning and losing. Confidence and success are born out of migrating through failures and improving strengths. Last night showed that some in this org’s depth still have a ways to go and some things to build on. Nothing wrong with that. Edited September 25, 2023 by RWJC 4 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Rekker said: I feel for him a bit. He wants it, he seems to really care. To me, he is struggling to find his role and identity. I have faith on Tochett to help Pods with this and I think it needs to start with just being defensive and physical. Tell the kid, don't worry about points and just play solid. Hope he can figure it out. I have no doubt Podz will be ok. I see him as the 2nd best 2 way player on the team after Petey. Podz always makes the right play and has very intelligent hockey iq. Perhaps yesterday was him just trying to do too much being one the the expected leaders in a blowout game. Podz is built for the pro game and I think when he is playing next to bonafide NHLers, he will be fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Dizzle said: I don't know what paraphrasing is and I can't take criticism. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 needs more Vintage 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Nuck Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Alflives said: What if the club finishes 9th? You both lose? The bet is make the playoffs or don’t, 9th I’d win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 This will not be difficult.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Dumb Nuck said: make the playoffs or don’t And I kinda hope it's close at the end too. Like a few points up in spot or a few back with only a few games remaining and maybe we can double down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 48 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I have no doubt Podz will be ok. I see him as the 2nd best 2 way player on the team after Petey. Podz always makes the right play and has very intelligent hockey iq. Perhaps yesterday was him just trying to do too much being one the the expected leaders in a blowout game. Podz is built for the pro game and I think when he is playing next to bonafide NHLers, he will be fine. I disagree. If Podz can't stand out in a game like last night - when in fact he looked like the worst player on the team - then that's cause for concern. It looked like he didn't train during the off-season. He needs to gain a step each summer, not lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Crossbar Posted September 25, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Not concerned about last night. Our lineup was young, inexperienced guys up against NHL veteran stars. Ridiculous really. No wonder it was 10-0. ... lol I will say, though, with less preseason games now - and we seem to go through this every year - we should have our regular guys building chemistry right from the get go to avoid slow starts. I really don't want to see young guys who won't make the team auditioning right up until opening night. Edited September 25, 2023 by Dr. Crossbar 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathgate Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: I'm not even mad, most of tonights roster will be Abby bound. This was setup to lose, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribs Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, bathgate said: This was setup to lose, why? We need to make sure our best players aren't ready to play. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jester13 said: I disagree. If Podz can't stand out in a game like last night - when in fact he looked like the worst player on the team - then that's cause for concern. It looked like he didn't train during the off-season. He needs to gain a step each summer, not lose. Yeah you might be right about that. Lucky for him, he's gained a bit of a longer leash. I thought he was fine in Abby last year. If he was an undrafted prospect, for sure yesterday's game would prob result in a cut. I don't ever want Podz to take things for granted like his draft position but this is the first time he's had an irresponsible game. If the trend continues, yes be worried but I'd like to see how he comes back from this. Who knows, maybe there's even a language barrier with new systems or I'm not sure if he had a kid this past summer, like who knows why he played the way he did yesterday? From watching him as a prospect to his initial NHL stint to his time in Abby, I've never been concerned. In fact, I lauded his responsible 2 way play and wishes more players on the team was like that. As a result, I'm willing to cut him some slack and give him the benefit of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singing Chef Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 10 hours ago, Tusk said: this is so typical of canucks fans. Do you not see this, all our rookies against Calgary playoff team and we were equal or better as follows: If the Canucks team of "NHL hopefuls" managed only 10 hits the entire game, that's quite telling. Heck, Schenn regularly had 10 hits per game BY HIMSELF. Sad, really ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Not concerned about last night. Our lineup was young, inexperienced guys up against NHL veteran stars. Ridiculous really. No wonder it was 10-0. ... lol I will say, though, with less preseason games now - and we seem to go through this every year - we should have our regular guys building chemistry right from the get go to avoid slow starts. I really don't want to see young guys who won't make the team auditioning right up until opening night. Most importantly, we need our special team coming out hot. This could be the difference between wins and losses early in the season and could sink us or put us in good playoff contention right off the bat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Yeah you might be right about that. Lucky for him, he's gained a bit of a longer leash. I thought he was fine in Abby last year. If he was an undrafted prospect, for sure yesterday's game would prob result in a cut. I don't ever want Podz to take things for granted like his draft position but this is the first time he's had an irresponsible game. If the trend continues, yes be worried but I'd like to see how he comes back from this. Who knows, maybe there's even a language barrier with new systems or I'm not sure if he had a kid this past summer, like who knows why he played the way he did yesterday? From watching him as a prospect to his initial NHL stint to his time in Abby, I've never been concerned. In fact, I lauded his responsible 2 way play and wishes more players on the team was like that. As a result, I'm willing to cut him some slack and give him the benefit of doubt. He can have the benefit of the doubt in Abby this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ribs said: We need to make sure our best players aren't ready to play. They were jetlagged going to Victoria. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ribs said: We need to make sure our best players aren't ready to play. Gotta preserve their energy for playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bathgate Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Barn Burner said: Yeah. Wasn't impressed at all. Same with Juulsen. These guys, regardless of who their facing, had an opportunity to step up and didn't. Same with a lot of guys. How badly do you want it? Hockey is a team game, when team an ECL level tough.to step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Be very curious what tocchets post game locker room talk was after the shellacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 I want so badly for Podz to succeed, and I’ve always leaned in the direction that the kid is going to make it. But I’ll admit that doubts are starting to creep into my mind in this regard. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) look how proud they are that they beat an ahl roster... let's see their faces once the season is done and they will have missed the playoffs, or better yet, bounced in the first round by the oilers... smug idiots, these guys make me sick Edited September 25, 2023 by Rubik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckle Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ribs said: We need to make sure our best players aren't ready to play. On the contrary, we need to make sure our best players in the AHL are ready to play at the NHL level; To understand what it takes to compete with the best, to earn a job in the show. Learning, adapting, pushing themselves to play the right way. Coaches and management are just evaluating what they have to work with in the system and they chose trial by fire. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I commend them for it. I'm sure the NHL mainstays will be peppered in the last few pre season games. Nothing to get in a tiff about... yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huggy Bear Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 11 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said: Hearing Tocc's reasoning didn't make it any better. The kids gotta learn but they gotta learn with no veteran teammate support I guess against a playoff team in our division on their ice. Honestly, I feel like Miller's presence alone would have done wonders for this squad. The regulars we had were Joshua, a 4th liner, and Suter and Irwin. WHO HAVEN'T EVEN PLAYED FOR US YET. Like, the decision to ice this roster was terrible. “They’ve gotta learn” doesn’t seem like a fulsome explanation for sending our AHL team (without their tough players) against the Flames top line, top 4D, Markstrom, and Klapka & Rusczika. I don’t presume to know better, and I don’t mind if it was a mistake, but would like to hear the rationale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman955 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 On 9/24/2023 at 11:14 AM, DrJockitch said: Is there a legit streaming service (I will pay) that doesn’t blackout Canuck’s games in Ontario. ‘I got tired of paying for TSN and sportsnet so that I could watch the Leafs and every US team game but not Canadian teams because of the antiquated blackout system. Centre ice is no longer a thing. I am not going to Sportsnet Now since they just extend the blackouts to streaming and prefer not to vpn all the time. Regional restrictions applied. I myself am in ottawa, yet there are ways around it. Tired of Toronto Sports network holding us hostage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxNaslundxX Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Something i have noticed over the years in our pre-season games with calgary is that each time ices a more competitive roster on home ice. I bet our next preseason against calgary, we ice our nhl roster and they ice their AHL team. This has happened for years and i think is an agreement between clubs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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