Popular Post Odd. Posted September 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2023 Martin for Byram getter done Benning 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 6 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: i dunno how preseason rosters work.. but don't all players under contract that plays in the preseason have to go thru waivers when sent back to the ahl? if so wouldn't colorado just wait till he's on waiver and grab him for free? Yes. But Colorado is at the bottom of the list for waivers, so another team could claim him first. For a late round pick they might want to scoop him up now... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Eh Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Miss Korea said: He has indeed been linked to Colorado. It's a no-brainer for a team that desperately needs an NHL calibee goalie. Even in that brutal year with us, he put up ordinary numbers you'd expect from a backup. I'm kind of annoyed we traded assets to get DeSmith when we could've signed Halak again for free. Then again... I guess since DeSmith has proven himself as a 1B goalie, we can afford to lose Demko and not have the wheels completely fall off. Halak had his worst season as pro here and did not look comfortable at all. I doubt he'd sign here again. Also the DeSmith trade was a contract dump. the only asset was a third round pick which is fair if you look at other contracts shedding trades. Mnt helped them get cap compliant while DeSmith is an upgrade to the back up position without making a terrible bet on Halak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Eh Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes. But Colorado is at the bottom of the list for waivers, so another team could claim him first. For a late round pick they might want to scoop him up now... Also if they kept him and sent DeSmith to 'kill it' in the minors like someone else said.. They'd obviously lose him on the waiver wire too. Some bad advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 I dont see why we would be interested in a trade if the return is below a 3rd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubik Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Maybe we can recoup our 2026 7th round pick... oof, that's cold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Fine! You can have him for Devon Toews. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Martin, Raymond, Ballard, and a 1st for Toews and Makar? Am I doing this right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawkDrummer Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 I don't think helping the Av's for a lousy draft pick does us any good. 2nd round pick or eat snow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 19 minutes ago, Bure10Kuzmenko96 said: Martin, Raymond, Ballard, and a 1st for Toews and Makar? Am I doing this right? Pretty close I think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: [Speculation] Ghosts would like a new house to haunt. And a few million dollars, and a dog. Oh hell while we're at it Trade Garland and Myers for Connor Bedard. is that e4 or e5? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, RawkDrummer said: I don't think helping the Av's for a lousy draft pick does us any good. 2nd round pick or eat snow. Is trading them Martin REALLY helping them though? Really? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 hours ago, Rubik said: oof, that's cold but tbh we'd be lucky to get any pick back for a guy who will likely be on waivers, unless the brass does some opening roster jiggling to protect these guys but I suspect cap management will take precedence over saving Martin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawkDrummer Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, qwijjibo said: Is trading them Martin REALLY helping them though? Really? Does a lousy draft choice help us? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yes. But Colorado is at the bottom of the list for waivers, so another team could claim him first. For a late round pick they might want to scoop him up now... i'll really be surprise if anyone picks up martin thru the waivers other than colorado if they really are interested in him based on his lack of nhl experience and his horrible season.. i'm sure there will be plenty of league minimum nhl backup available thru waivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 4 hours ago, Drakrami said: I dont see why we would be interested in a trade if the return is below a 3rd round pick. Because Martin isn’t worth a 3rd…. If you can get anything other than future considerations, take it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 38 minutes ago, RawkDrummer said: Does a lousy draft choice help us? Really? There's a chance they lose him to waivers anyway. Even if they don't he's nothing special. He's worth a late draft pick at most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Because Martin isn’t worth a 3rd…. If you can get anything other than future considerations, take it Can’t we bury Martin’s full salary in the minors anyway? If we can move him for whatever that’s great, but whether we do or not doesn’t impact our cap, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Can’t we bury Martin’s full salary in the minors anyway? If we can move him for whatever that’s great, but whether we do or not doesn’t impact our cap, right? We can send him to Kalamazoo if we want…. His cap hit is so small it doesn’t matter where we put him. But why keep him at all? He stinks. If the Avs want to give us a 5th round pick, take it and run 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Martin and Myers are a package. Can’t have just Martin, Joe. They come in a package 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Can’t we bury Martin’s full salary in the minors anyway? If we can move him for whatever that’s great, but whether we do or not doesn’t impact our cap, right? https://www.capfriendly.com/faq https://www.capfriendly.com/players/spencer-martin So no there's no help putting him in the minors as it's a one way contract. What is a Buried Contract? Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league. The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total. The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000: 2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000 2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000 2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000 2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000 2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000 2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000 2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000 2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000 2022-23: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000 2023-24: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 2024-25: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 2025-26: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 Edited September 24, 2023 by Ghostsof1915 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: https://www.capfriendly.com/faq https://www.capfriendly.com/players/spencer-martin So no there's no help putting him in the minors as it's a one way contract. What is a Buried Contract? Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league. The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total. The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000: 2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000 2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000 2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000 2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000 2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000 2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000 2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000 2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000 2022-23: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000 2023-24: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 2024-25: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 2025-26: $775,000 + $375,000 = $1,150,000 So if Martin is paid 750 we get the entire amount in cap relief if he’s sent down, right? We can send a guy down and take his salary off the cap up to the 1150 amount. If he’s less than that 1150 then he is considered fully buried according to the cap cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: So if Martin is paid 750 we get the entire amount in cap relief if he’s sent down, right? We can send a guy down and take his salary off the cap up to the 1150 amount. If he’s less than that 1150 then he is considered fully buried according to the cap cost? No Alf. READ. You have to be above $1.15 million to get any benefit. We don't get any advantage on the cap when he plays in the minors. If we lose him on waivers, that's worth it on it's own sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Hogg Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 4 hours ago, D.B Cooper said: We can send him to Kalamazoo if we want…. His cap hit is so small it doesn’t matter where we put him. But why keep him at all? He stinks. If the Avs want to give us a 5th round pick, take it and run He does stink as an NHL starting goaltender, but I thought he played fine until he was thrust into that role. The defence in front of him didn’t help either. At best, he is a serviceable backup goalie at the NHL level or a very good AHL starter. I would rather have him than Delia. So, what’s he worth? Probably a late round pick like you suggested, but we should see what the max offer for him will be. It depends how desperate Colorado is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 8 hours ago, D.B Cooper said: Because Martin isn’t worth a 3rd…. If you can get anything other than future considerations, take it You are missing the point. Why would we sack our goalie depth for anything less than a 3rd when we have aspirations to do well this season? Martin is 4th in our goalie depth chart is he not? What if multiple goalies get injured, like last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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