Alflives Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 3 hours ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: Would Hronek really demand 7.5? I think we could get him at around 6 on a 2-3 year bridge deal. A bridge deal would give Allvin the flexibility to replace him with Willander if he proves to be NHL top-4 caliber by then. Hronek will get the same deal Devon Toews got. They are very solar players who are playing similar roles. Dahlin just got over 11 per and he sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 30 minutes ago, IBatch said: And what makes you think we are part of Burns 3 team trade list? Or that they'd consider trading him either. Get the why. We don't need to or should we be considering a 8 x 8 cap hit. It was more in jest. I've wanted Burns on the team for a damn long time. 28 minutes ago, Gurn said: Also the guy is 39 yrs old Yup. He's great for his age but you can see he's slowed down this season. Dude is a gamer though, takes his fitness seriously and even sleeps in some recovery bag to help with rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 (edited) Waddell hinting in post season interview that he expects to deal with Necas this summer. Apparently Necas’ father was really vocal about Martin not getting top line mins or featured on PP1 and basically insinuated they should trade his son. Waddell doesn’t seem fazed. Even joked in the presser that Martin should “say hi to his dad for me”, lol. Another Hodgson type situation perhaps… Edit - adding link to Waddell presser part covered by BarDown on Tik Tok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMwHWgEK/ Edited May 22 by RWJC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Stay away lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 22 Author Share Posted May 22 Ok obviously the media is stirring the CAR pot so I’ll post this and will edit previous post with link to Waddell presser: Hypothetical Landing Spots For Martin Necas May 21st, 2024 at 8:19pm CST • By Brennan McClain With the excitement of the 2024 Stanley Cup playoffs and some notable events that have already taken place, one important news item buried over the last week is that the Carolina Hurricanes do not intend on signing forward Martin Necas to an extension this summer, and could look to move him in the offseason. Necas will become a restricted free agent on July 1st after his two-year, $6MM bridge deal expires. Over the last four years, Necas has shown flashes of being a consistent scorer at the NHL level and other flashes of being a complimentary piece at best. Because of this, the General Manager Don Waddell and the Hurricanes organization do not seem adamant about meeting Necas’ demands, who likely has his eyes on a long-term deal. Since Necas is still only 25 years old, an eight-year contract extension would put him between 33 and 34 upon expiration, meaning this may be his only chance at signing a max contract. Playing up and down Carolina’s lineup, Necas certainly looks more comfortable on the wing but has been known to line up down the middle on occasion. In 362 games spent with the Hurricanes, Necas has scored 97 goals and 243 points while also putting up 11 goals and 30 points over 59 postseason games, as well. Not only has Necas shown an ability to put together strong seasons, but playing in Carolina’s system has allowed his possession numbers to flourish, posting a 63.6 and a 61.8 CorsiFor% in the last two years alone. In the right situation, Necas could prove to be a wise investment in the near and long term. Since Necas lies somewhere between a top-line winger and a complimentary piece, and assuming the Hurricanes allow him to discuss an extension with the acquiring team, Necas would be wise to look for an already established team. The two that come to mind, in terms of need and style of play, would be the Colorado Avalanche and the Florida Panthers. Even before the loss of winger Valeri Nichushkin for at least the next six months, the Avalanche have had a problem at the winger position since the loss of Gabriel Landeskogafter the 2022 Stanley Cup run. With Landeskog once again expected to start the season on LTIR, and Nichushkin’s contract in the NHLPA Player Assistance Program, Colorado should have more than enough financial flexibility to sign Necas. With Zach Parise confirmed to have played his last game at the NHL level last week, and Jonathan Drouin potentially pricing himself out of Denver with a solid year, Necas could be a solid fit to move fluidly in the top two lines of the Avalanche forward core. Moving back to the Eastern Conference; if any team was going to challenge the Hurricanes as the best defensive team in hockey, it would be the Panthers. Finishing behind Carolina in both CorsiFor% and penalty kill percentage, the Panthers were only one of two teams to suffer less than 200 goals during the 2023-24 regular season. Unfortunately, Florida has a tough offseason coming up, with Sam Reinhart and Brandon Montour set to hit unrestricted free agency with too few dollars to go around. Acquiring Necas, will not completely replace the production left by Reinhart, but it would certainly soften the blow. Picking up Necas from the Hurricanes would also allow the Panthers to prioritize signing Montour to have a mostly intact defensive unit heading into the 2024-25 NHL season. As far as the price for Necas, outside of a possible extension, should not be as steep as many would think. Since it has already broken out into the open that Carolina has no intention of giving Necas what he is asking for, the acquiring team would only be responsible for acquiring his signing rights out of the gate. In this case, the Avalanche may be in a better position to acquire Necas from Carolina, as the Hurricanes may entertain an offer for the 24th overall pick of this year’s upcoming draft. Florida, on the other hand, does not have ownership over their first-round pick this year, having already sent it to the Philadelphia Flyers in the Claude Giroux trade. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/hypothetical-landing-spots-for-martin-necas.html#ref=home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 On Marek this morning it was mentioned that Necas has been included in many trade discussions in recent times. He was apparently a piece of the Matthew Tkachuk trade, then was the key piece coming back if EP was traded to CAR, and now it sounds as though there is some smoke about him going to BOS for Ullmark. No wonder he feels like a second class citizen to Svechnikov. Whomever gets him might be getting a player with something to prove 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 2 minutes ago, RWJC said: On Marek this morning it was mentioned that Necas has been included in many trade discussions in recent times. He was apparently a piece of the Matthew Tkachuk trade, then was the key piece coming back if EP was traded to CAR, and now it sounds as though there is some smoke about him going to BOS for Ullmark. No wonder he feels like a second class citizen to Svechnikov. Whomever gets him might be getting a player with something to prove 650 discussed Hronek for Necas and rights to Jake G so they can give him 8 yrs at lower AAV... I really like this idea, Necas is a two way player big youngish but is not going to cost the moon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/21/2024 at 6:08 PM, RWJC said: Waddell hinting in post season interview that he expects to deal with Necas this summer. Apparently Necas’ father was really vocal about Martin not getting top line mins or featured on PP1 and basically insinuated they should trade his son. Waddell doesn’t seem fazed. Even joked in the presser that Martin should “say hi to his dad for me”, lol. Another Hodgson type situation perhaps… Edit - adding link to Waddell presser part covered by BarDown on Tik Tok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMwHWgEK/ Waddell not being extended in CAR as GM... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 35 minutes ago, canucks curse said: Waddell not being extended in CAR as GM... Thanks, I previously created a thread for it. He’s going to CBJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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canucks curse Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 8 minutes ago, Darius said: RFA Hronek for RFA Necas makes a ton of sense, Necas won't be asking for 8 mill, that's for sure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, canucks curse said: RFA Hronek for RFA Necas makes a ton of sense, Necas won't be asking for 8 mill, that's for sure Agree with you - its the most reasonable scenario from a trade perspective. Also trying to think of who would be involved if Hronek wasnt involved. Hoglander? Silovs? (didnt goaltending let Carolina down?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 On 5/17/2024 at 10:38 AM, RWJC said: It could be a lateral $$$ deal. Our main concern is to jettison Mikheyev and get started from there. We also have one year left of Poolman LTIR we can offset with. It just makes things very very very tight going forward. i did up an inflated breakdown for next year if we retain Lindholm at 8per, Zad at 5.5 and Joshua at 3.75. The numbers can work for one more season but the year after it puts BB6’s new deal into a question of affordability. If we want another STRONG cup run, we have to bolster the top 6 and replace a 3rd line C. We might be able to do that from within but it will make us very tight against the cap. With Lek and Willander eventually on their way (meaning they are absolutely going to get a chance to make it in the NHL just based on draft position alone) we may be able to offset a bumpy road in the future. But we have to get there first and still remain a contender. Some term contracts on younger players like a Necas will spread the cap out until the next young crop arrives while also maintaining competitive status. we can’t slip back from where we are now…it’s not in the mgmt design for how this all was to proceed to begin with. We will always be up against the cap and turning over talent, even beloved players, if need be to maintain that directive. i think Hronek extends here and we end up all being relatively satisfied with the number. It’s just what we do to complement EP next that is a bit of a concern Also doesn't sound like from the article that Guentzel will make it to July 1st for Free Agency, so I'm betting that a deal is struck with the Hurricanes, which would be unfortunate, because he's the best candidate for Petey, as someone who can score goals. Would need to look elsewhere for Petey's running mate. DeBrusk is an interesting player. But I'm not sure if I'd sign him for anything more than 3.5/4M on a 2-3 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 (edited) Hronek top pair RD 26 for JG's rights and necas Podz and Milky to Chicago for CHI 3rd, NYI 2nd cap space = 28.5 MN 5.00 JG 7.75 Bluegger 1.5 x3 Tanev 3.75x 3 Myers 2.5 x 3 Silovs 1.5 Zads 4.75 x 6 Cole 1.00x 3 = 27.75 .75K for 4th liner such as duhaime or Brett Murray JG Petey Hogz MN Miller Brock Suter Bluegger Garland PDG Aman Duhaime/Abby call up/Bains Hughes Tanev Zads Myers Soucy Cole Demko Silovs - this tandem x 1 year then trade whichever goalie makes more sense to move Edited May 24 by canucks curse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just now, canucks curse said: Hronek top pair RD 26 for JG's rights and necas Podz and Milky to Chicago for CHI 3rd, NYI 2nd cap space = 28.5 MN 5.00 JG 7.75 Bluegger 1.5 x3 Tanev 3.75x 3 Myers 2.5 x 3 Silovs 1.5 Zads 4.75 x 6 Cole 1.00x 3 = 27.75 and now we have more picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 1 hour ago, canucks curse said: 650 discussed Hronek for Necas and rights to Jake G so they can give him 8 yrs at lower AAV... I really like this idea, Necas is a two way player big youngish but is not going to cost the moon And where are we going to replace Hronke's production and position? Necas is a forward (probably not a natural C), and Jake G is a winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 12 minutes ago, Darius said: Agree with you - its the most reasonable scenario from a trade perspective. Also trying to think of who would be involved if Hronek wasnt involved. Hoglander? Silovs? (didnt goaltending let Carolina down?) I'd like DeBrusk on Miller's line more than Petey's but... Höglander - Pettersson - Necas DeBrusk - Miller - Boeser Excellent starting point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 16 minutes ago, canucks curse said: RFA Hronek for RFA Necas makes a ton of sense, Necas won't be asking for 8 mill, that's for sure Unless we know we have an inside track on Tanev or Pesce that’s very risky. Also selling very low on Hronek. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 (edited) Canucks Showing Interest In Martin Necas May 24th, 2024 at 12:45pm CST • By Josh Erickson The Canucks will be one of the teams interested in acquiring forward Martin Nečas‘ signing rights if the Hurricanes shop him over the next few weeks, Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet saidon The Jeff Marek Show today. Rumors around the Canucks will be all over the place in the coming week as they attempt to re-sign a large slate of big-ticket pending RFAs and UFAs, including defenseman Filip Hronek and center Elias Lindholm. While they’ll try and get extensions done for whoever they can, it’s clear the team is thoroughly examining contingency plans in case they can’t come to agreements that would allow them to stay under the salary cap. It isn’t the first time Vancouver’s been linked to Nečas. In a brief but bizarre saga before star center Elias Pettersson signed his eight-year, $92.8MM extension in March, Friedman reported the Canucks were in “advanced” talks with Carolina about a deal for the then-pending RFA. Today, Friedman confirmed on “32 Thoughts: The Podcast” that Nečas would have been part of the return to Vancouver had the trade gone through. While the 25-year-old Nečas has played mostly on the wing with the Canes, his best season was also the only one where he logged any significant time at center. His performance in the faceoff dot will always be a concern – he’s won just 41.5% of draws in his career – but he led the club in scoring in 2022-23 with 71 points (28 goals, 43 assists) in 82 games while also lining up at center for the most games in his career. Thus, he could be a logical replacement for Lindholm should the former Cane head to market (and, ironically, potentially replace Nečas back in Carolina). As things stand, the Nucks have $23.75MM in projected cap space next season with eight roster spots to fill. Nečas and Lindholm could both land deals in the $7MM range, although the latter is headed in the wrong direction as his production has consistently dwindled since his career year with the Flames in 2021-22. Lindholm likely repaired his value somewhat with his playoff performance, though, posting 10 points in 13 games for Vancouver while logging over 19 minutes per game. Nečas also took a step back this season, seeing his production drop to 24 goals and 53 points in 77 games, but there’s arguably more upside/rebound potential with a player who’s four years younger. Vancouver would also be at less risk of seeing the deal become an albatross as it ages by handing out a long-term deal to the younger player. https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/05/canucks-showing-interest-in-martin-necas.html#ref=home Edited May 24 by RWJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Just more to think about if Hronek / Necas is a possibility: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted May 24 Author Share Posted May 24 I just look at it from PAJR’s perspective and how they stick to their mandate. They offered a reasonable deal to EP a few times and it was rejected, affording the player the position of control. Eventually they decided to aggressively regain that control by discussing trade and were successful in pulling that player back to the table and a deal much earlier than the player wanted. I see no difference in how they would handle Hronek, regardless of his position being an influential piece to our roster. They apparently offered him a fair deal early on and there hasn’t been much discussion since. again, the player is utilizing their negotiation position to potentially hamstring mgmt. As such I have no doubt that Hronek is in play and, unless agrees to a deal relatively soon, will be transacted by mgmt prior to them losing any further amount of control. its not ruthless, it’s how we build a winner and team first mentality. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post canucks curse Posted May 24 Popular Post Share Posted May 24 7 minutes ago, Darius said: Just more to think about if Hronek / Necas is a possibility: I mean, actually a lot of options there... Montour, Demelo, Tanev, Pesce Roy, Walker could all play beside hughes in that order all of these guys will be way cheaper than Hronek We resign Myers who will take a home town discount Chatfiel would be an interesting 3rd per RD Zads played besides Hughes against Edmonton on the right ... actually a lot of options IMHO 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarbularyBattery Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 11 minutes ago, RWJC said: I just look at it from PAJR’s perspective and how they stick to their mandate. They offered a reasonable deal to EP a few times and it was rejected, affording the player the position of control. Eventually they decided to aggressively regain that control by discussing trade and were successful in pulling that player back to the table and a deal much earlier than the player wanted. I see no difference in how they would handle Hronek, regardless of his position being an influential piece to our roster. They apparently offered him a fair deal early on and there hasn’t been much discussion since. again, the player is utilizing their negotiation position to potentially hamstring mgmt. As such I have no doubt that Hronek is in play and, unless agrees to a deal relatively soon, will be transacted by mgmt prior to them losing any further amount of control. its not ruthless, it’s how we build a winner and team first mentality. They have to be looking at how that hughes/hronek pair was manhandled too during the playoffs. Im sure discussions are being had about putting some size next to Hughes. I think someone like Roy would make a ton of sense. Big size, defensively responsible, but plays dont die on his stick. Good in the corners. Hronek/Lindholm out Necas/Roy in, and we'd be also be in a much better position cap-wise. Carolina has to add a bit too, a top pair RD is more valuable than a 2nd line winger of similar age. 2nd round pick should do it. Necas probably comes in at 7m or slightly less. Roy probably just under 6m. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Whatever happens, I have a feeling mgmt will surprise a lot of people. They have definitely shown an ability to be creative. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1laren Posted May 24 Share Posted May 24 Off-Season Plan Lindholm, Zadorov, Joshua, Hronek in that order should be priority. Lindholm 7.75m x 8 Zadorov 4.75m x 6 Joshua 3.5m x 6 Resign Hronek 6.5m x 7 or 6.25m x 8 Sign Chris Tanev 4m x 3 Sign a depth defenseman 5-6 guy Let Myers walk. Trade Mikhayev with an attached pick or prospect or even buyout Playoff time next year: Lekkeremaki Pettersson Lindholm Hoglander Miller Boeser Joshua Raty Garland Podkolzin Suter Karlsson Aman Bains Hughes Tanev Zadorov Hronek Soucy Juulsen Pettersson Woo Demko Silovs Raty, Lekkeremaki, Karlsson and Podkolzin are the solution to our salary cap woes for the next 2-3 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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