JayDangles Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, stawns said: That's going to come down on the Canucks. We'll see if Sergei takes on a bigger role for the next little while Only if Adam Foote or the Canucks let it. The sins of the son are not the sins of the father and vice versa. Adam Foote should make a statement to some degree and make sure to ignore all media bullshit trying to drag him or the Canucks into the mix. Don't give the media any attention on the matter. (in relation to Adam and the Canucks) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goalie29 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Ok so here's what I dont understand. None of the players were playing for an NHL team at the time. So how can the NHL suspend anyone for something that happened before their employment? Before they signed a code of conduct? I can totally understand the players being banned from any Hockey Canada type things. Spengler Cup, Olympics etc. But if a player didnt "work" for an employer when an incident happened, how the hell can that employer discipline someone for it? Maybe thats why players are taking a voluntary leave of absence A - The NHL hasn't suspended anyone. B - It's sexual assault. I don't give a shit when it happened. They don't deserve to be on an NHL roster. 3 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, Jaimito said: My last OT post on this clearly diversionary tactic by the league to minimize the stain on themselves before I hand it back over to scandalous speculation: the league would do well to move the desert dogs up I-17/US89 instead of expanding to 33+ teams. That is all. Carry on, speculators! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, KoreanHockeyFan said: Assuming the names suspected are actually NHL players... If you know you're one of the players on that list, how have you been able play NHL games knowing you're being suspected of such an egregious crime? What kind of moral gymnastics would you be having to do in your head to justify the salary you're collecting on a game-by-game basis knowing what you did, let alone being actively investigated for it. Crazy. Most folks learns to carry on... time heals... unfortunately... And then there are the totally immoral empty heads.... and there are plenty of those... Women throwing themselves at them basically made them think they were above the law.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Ok so here's what I dont understand. None of the players were playing for an NHL team at the time. So how can the NHL suspend anyone for something that happened before their employment? Before they signed a code of conduct? I can totally understand the players being banned from any Hockey Canada type things. Spengler Cup, Olympics etc. But if a player didnt "work" for an employer when an incident happened, how the hell can that employer discipline someone for it? Maybe thats why players are taking a voluntary leave of absence Well, if arrested that will likely be the end of their season and probably grounds for contract termination. If convicted, likely the end of their careers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Ok so here's what I dont understand. None of the players were playing for an NHL team at the time. So how can the NHL suspend anyone for something that happened before their employment? Before they signed a code of conduct? I can totally understand the players being banned from any Hockey Canada type things. Spengler Cup, Olympics etc. But if a player didnt "work" for an employer when an incident happened, how the hell can that employer discipline someone for it? Maybe thats why players are taking a voluntary leave of absence They have to go to London and report to the police. Now we have to track flights Ohtani style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, Goalie29 said: A - The NHL hasn't suspended anyone. B - It's sexual assault. I don't give a shit when it happened. They don't deserve to be on an NHL roster. Relax man, im not condoning or advocating. I'm asking questions. Lots of tweets and statements out there suggesting NHL suspensions are coming. I'm just asking how thats possible 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: Only if Adam Foote or the Canucks let it. The sins of the son are not the sins of the father and vice versa. Adam Foote should make a statement to some degree and make sure to ignore all media bullshit trying to drag him or the Canucks into the mix. Don't give the media any attention on the matter. (in relation to Adam and the Canucks) You don't think Foote will want to be with his son during that time? I know I would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 13 minutes ago, stawns said: Foote just took a loa Ugh. I hate that we have a connection to this. But I'm also glad that the victim is getting some measure of justice in this, finally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 16 minutes ago, stawns said: That's going to come down on the Canucks. We'll see if Sergei takes on a bigger role for the next little while I wouldn't be surprised to see Adam step back for a bit, wouldn't be surprised to see him ride it out either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, stawns said: You don't think Foote will want to be with his son during that time? I know I would It's going to take a lot of time. Surrendering for charging should happen quickly and then it will run through the system. This might take years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 5 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Ok so here's what I dont understand. None of the players were playing for an NHL team at the time. So how can the NHL suspend anyone for something that happened before their employment? Before they signed a code of conduct? I can totally understand the players being banned from any Hockey Canada type things. Spengler Cup, Olympics etc. But if a player didnt "work" for an employer when an incident happened, how the hell can that employer discipline someone for it? Maybe thats why players are taking a voluntary leave of absence good question- perhaps the players-that have yet to be officially named, were already drafted at the time of the alleged crime? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, stawns said: Well, if arrested that will likely be the end of their season and probably grounds for contract termination. If convicted, likely the end of their careers Totally, I get that if the situation results in them not being able to fulfill their contract conditions then the team will dump them... But if the NHL specifically suspends them for something that happened prior to a contract, things could get really messy. Finding out the names is really just the start, not the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: Relax man, im not condoning or advocating. I'm asking questions. Lots of tweets and statements out there suggesting NHL suspensions are coming. I'm just asking how thats possible I suspect there's a standard NHL code of conduct, and breaching that would be grounds for suspension or termination. I'm sure being convicted of sexual assault would breach the code of conduct, even if it happened before they were playing in the NHL. Nobody has been convicted of course, but if they are, the hammer will come down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, stawns said: You don't think Foote will want to be with his son during that time? I know I would Yeah you may be right. I guess we just need to sit back and wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down By the River Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Relax man, im not condoning or advocating. I'm asking questions. Lots of tweets and statements out there suggesting NHL suspensions are coming. I'm just asking how thats possible Some of them may have signed ELCs... I suppose under a player's current contract their morality clause might include things like "do not cover up/interfere with a criminal investigation" and so it could be covered under that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: It's going to take a lot of time. Surrendering for charging should happen quickly and then it will run through the system. This might take years. Agreed, I just meant short term, as in 2-3 weeks. If, indeed, foite is one of the peeps and is arrested, I'd fully expect his father to be there with him through a very difficult time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Goalie29 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: Relax man, im not condoning or advocating. I'm asking questions. Lots of tweets and statements out there suggesting NHL suspensions are coming. I'm just asking how thats possible It's possible because it doesn't matter that it's in the past. It is still conduct that is not only illegal and immoral, but also goes against the NHL's contract rules. When it happened is irrelevant. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Strawbone said: I suspect there's a standard NHL code of conduct, and breaching that would be grounds for suspension or termination. I'm sure being convicted of sexual assault would breach the code of conduct, even if it happened before they were playing in the NHL. Nobody has been convicted of course, but if they are, the hammer will come down. True, maybe theres a clause that says "being charged with a crime while under contract is grounds for termination", this way it doesnt matter when the incident happened, but rather when the charges were laid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Only if Adam Foote or the Canucks let it. The sins of the son are not the sins of the father and vice versa. Adam Foote should make a statement to some degree and make sure to ignore all media bullshit trying to drag him or the Canucks into the mix. Don't give the media any attention on the matter. (in relation to Adam and the Canucks) Short statement would be he has no knowledge of anything that may/may not have happened, and for further questions, please contact Canucks head office. That should be that... Don't let the vultures get any blood.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, Down By the River said: Some of them may have signed ELCs... I suppose under a player's current contract their morality clause might include things like "do not cover up/interfere with a criminal investigation" and so it could be covered under that. If Corey Perry's contract can be terminated for getting drunk and being inappropriate with a female employee, then the NHL players involved may never play in the league again. Obviously that's down the road, but it's not looking good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, stawns said: Agreed, I just meant short term, as in 2-3 weeks. If, indeed, foite is one of the peeps and is arrested, I'd fully expect his father to be there with him through a very difficult time Really hard to say. Cal probably feels pretty bad about what his dad will be dealing with publicly, and may ask him not to come? Dunno. I guess with the asg break coming up maybe that's the window he can be there with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 8 minutes ago, Goalie29 said: A - The NHL hasn't suspended anyone. B - It's sexual assault. I don't give a shit when it happened. They don't deserve to be on an NHL roster. If this is true, they should be behind bars... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, JayDangles said: True, maybe theres a clause that says "being charged with a crime while under contract is grounds for termination", this way it doesnt matter when the incident happened, but rather when the charges were laid. Well, presumably they aren't being brought in as part of the investigation.......the investigation is over and they are being arrested. It's likely the end of their hockey careers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Just now, Bob Long said: Really hard to say. Cal probably feels pretty bad about what his dad will be dealing with publicly, and may ask him not to come? Dunno. I guess with the asg break coming up maybe that's the window he can be there with him. I know I'd want my parents there and he and his dad are very close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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