2023-24 Canucks Injury Thread

[JayDangles]

51 minutes ago, Poler said:

So a player who was on 120 point pace through half the season suddenly his play dropped dramatically and you think he just his skill or drive made his play worse? 
Put yourself in Petterson shoes your on a contract year the team doing great and you start feeling little pain that’s gradually worse as time goes by. You play through it because you because you don’t want to seem like you can’t play through pain on injury. Also you want to sign your contract. Then it gets worse and by then it’s so painful you can’t skate as hard it affects your shot. You have a linemate who will always shoot at goalie crest and has no finish. Probably when coach realizes how bad shape Petterson is in it’s too late because it’s a few months rest to heal. (I had tennis elbow before and I couldn’t pick anything up with my left hand or would be screaming pain)

 

The coach probably didn’t want to put the medical staff under the bus as well so he down played his injury and most likely he’s the type that will expect the player to play through pain and reinvent his game. It’s hard to that though mid season with hogglander only one who has good hands. 
Let’s give Petterson the benefit of the doubt we have him for another 8 years and he not even in his prime yet. I highly doubt a player would lie to the fans on tv about something like that.
 

I guess the difference is you put a lot of your own hypothetical, assumptions, spin on this etc in order to tell a story that backs up an injury.

I say it's much more simple to say the injury thing is a story. I think something happened mentally with petey and he couldn't recover.

[Steamer4GM]

15 hours ago, JayDangles said:

So you're willing to throw tocc under the bus over this? To me it's way more likely that petey was playing like shit, and the easiest way to draw attention away from that is to make a very basic injury tweet with zero substance. All of a sudden petey is the hero for playing through an injury.

To me it's way more likely that if an injury did exist, petey kept it to himself and made a long series of bad decisions which ultimately led to him hurting the team and himself.

While I don't agree with your position, I also have to own the fact that my post was very poorly stated. I started out acknowledging that my suspicions were entirely based on guesswork but  then trailed off into a criticism of Tocc that was phrased as if my guesses were spot on. Bad form on my part. Thanks for calling me out on it

[JayDangles]

8 hours ago, Steamer4GM said:

While I don't agree with your position, I also have to own the fact that my post was very poorly stated. I started out acknowledging that my suspicions were entirely based on guesswork but  then trailed off into a criticism of Tocc that was phrased as if my guesses were spot on. Bad form on my part. Thanks for calling me out on it

All good. I often start a post and realise somewhere near the end that I've drifted into a totally different direction.

 

I just don't understand how folks will write this long narrative about Petey has been injured, but on the ice he is still hitting, skating, falling, shooting, passing etc like he isn't injured. Not sure how his injury means he is shit on the powerplay. Then they take this narrative and start attacking Tocc, or management etc. 

There are way more signs that his issue was 100% mental.

Also if he was injured he would have sat. He would have skipped the all star, taken the fine and rested. 

Anyways, to me there is a lot more evidence to support that stating an injury was purely about reducing the heat. It's not a malicious lie. Doesn't hurt anyone to say that. It just gives media and fans an excuse and petey some breathing room.

 

But to me it was completely predictable and convenient. Which makes it not believable. 

[Steamer4GM]

7 hours ago, JayDangles said:

All good. I often start a post and realise somewhere near the end that I've drifted into a totally different direction.

 

I just don't understand how folks will write this long narrative about Petey has been injured, but on the ice he is still hitting, skating, falling, shooting, passing etc like he isn't injured. Not sure how his injury means he is shit on the powerplay. Then they take this narrative and start attacking Tocc, or management etc. 

There are way more signs that his issue was 100% mental.

Also if he was injured he would have sat. He would have skipped the all star, taken the fine and rested. 

Anyways, to me there is a lot more evidence to support that stating an injury was purely about reducing the heat. It's not a malicious lie. Doesn't hurt anyone to say that. It just gives media and fans an excuse and petey some breathing room.

 

But to me it was completely predictable and convenient. Which makes it not believable. 

Yeah, I speculated about the mental / personal issues thing a month or two ago myself and certainly haven't abandoned that possibility as at least part if not a huge part of it all.

 

Not to start completely unfounded rumours but, knowing what we know about Kes and other players having dealt with injury related pain in various ways, I wonder if maybe the pain management strategies Petey was employing to deal with his tendonitis may have had some impact on his mental sharpness. Kind of connects all the dots between him experiencing a lot of pain that was of the type that he'd feel pressured to play through but then while doing so just not looking anything like his previous self in terms of on ice decisions and even staying on his feet with the same consistency as most players (granted, he's long been a bit of a bambi legs hasn't he?)

 

Regardless, from a basic human standpoint and an overall Canuck team and player fan standpoint, let's just hope he's able to deal with it over the summer and put it behind him without too much physical or mental baggage negatively impacting his game or his career or his life moving forward

[TheGuardian]

So when is Demko's next hip surgery?

[RU SERIOUS]

On 5/27/2024 at 12:26 PM, Poler said:

So a player who was on 120 point pace through half the season suddenly his play dropped dramatically and you think he just his skill or drive made his play worse? 
Put yourself in Petterson shoes your on a contract year the team doing great and you start feeling little pain that’s gradually worse as time goes by. You play through it because you because you don’t want to seem like you can’t play through pain on injury. Also you want to sign your contract. Then it gets worse and by then it’s so painful you can’t skate as hard it affects your shot. You have a linemate who will always shoot at goalie crest and has no finish. Probably when coach realizes how bad shape Petterson is in it’s too late because it’s a few months rest to heal. (I had tennis elbow before and I couldn’t pick anything up with my left hand or would be screaming pain)

 

The coach probably didn’t want to put the medical staff under the bus as well so he down played his injury and most likely he’s the type that will expect the player to play through pain and reinvent his game. It’s hard to that though mid season with hogglander only one who has good hands. 
Let’s give Petterson the benefit of the doubt we have him for another 8 years and he not even in his prime yet. I highly doubt a player would lie to the fans on tv about something like that.
 

Not to worry because if 11-6 continues his regression this year, the Canucks can still dump him before his NTC kicks in.

 

...and yes, we are all aware of the canucks medical staffs reputation....

[SilentSam]

On 6/17/2024 at 5:55 PM, TheGuardian said:

So when is Demko's next hip surgery?

 

i think this discussion will pick up,.  

 

heard Alvin say something regarding Demkos status this week,.  
    There wasn’t clear any confidence to Demkos status.

 

more speculation:
 

 

[AnthonyG]

inflammation=limitations not injury imo

Partial tear/full tear= injury

fracture/break= injury

Etc etc

 

Pettersson was not injured imo, however he was not 100%. He probably was limited by something that COULD be played through and slowly heal over the course of time even during the season with lots of ice and anti inflammatories and rest whenever. This is probably why it wasn’t seen as impactful or as serious by everyone who knew and needed to know because the likelihood was that it would get better and there isn’t the type of risk you have with a partial tear that becomes a full tear. Unfortunately he never really recovered.

[Optimist Prime]

Hoping one of you with Injury Info can say for sure, will Poolman be on IR all of next season or is he expected back?

[Pure961089]

The Canucks went through so much change this season.  But Allvin has been successful in bringing in players that compliment Tocchet's coaching style.  Other teams bring in players that the coach needs to adapt to but the Canucks do the opposite.  The team that went into the playoffs was a disjointed mess.  Before the trade deadline the Canucks were rolling 4 lines. This changed when uncertainty to whether Petey would sign long term started creeping into management and the next thing you know the Canucks are something entirely different, with, other than Petey, no 2nd line.  So instead of going with 4 lines we reverted back to 3 top 2 centers, Horvat out, Lindholm in.  Back to the same build that didn't work then and didn't work in the playoffs. 

 

Now take a look at the depth when the Canucks replace Lindholm, Mikheyev, Lafferty and Podkolzin with DeBrusk, Heinen, Sherwood and Sprong.  We're back to having 4 lines you can role with wingers Petey can actually use.  I'm excited for the Canucks to go back to being a deep and dangerous team. Something we just weren't going into the playoffs, we lost our identity and what made us successful throughout the whole season and went backwards with a tried and tested failure of 3 top 2 centres.  Tocchet has so many options now.

 

(Heinen, Hoglander, Sherwood) ? - Miller - Boeser

DeBrusk - Petey - ? (Lekkerimaki, Sprong Heinen)

Joshua - Blueger ? (Suter)- Garland

Hoglander - Suter ? (Blueger) - Sherwood 

 

On defence I'm looking forward to see how Juulsen's development is coming along.  If he can ease Myers' workload.  We will miss Zadorov but with the emergence of Elias Pettersson on Defence I'm not nearly as concerned about the left side.  

 

Everyone Allvin has brought in compliments Tocchet's coaching style and are all used to defensive systems.  No butting heads with Zadorov or Kuzmenko to be responsible in their own end.  Players that Tocchet can get the most out of.  

 

And I'm not nearly as concerned about the goaltending as many in the media are.  A great structured system can make average goalies look like world stars but a weak defensive system can make even the best goalies look like career AHLers.  

 

 

Edited August 28 by Pure961089

[kettlevalley]

Thatcher back skating.  

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canucks-goalie-thatcher-demko-back-to-skating/

 

[Bonkers]

On 8/28/2024 at 3:06 AM, Pure961089 said:

The Canucks went through so much change this season.  But Allvin has been successful in bringing in players that compliment Tocchet's coaching style.  Other teams bring in players that the coach needs to adapt to but the Canucks do the opposite.  The team that went into the playoffs was a disjointed mess.  Before the trade deadline the Canucks were rolling 4 lines. This changed when uncertainty to whether Petey would sign long term started creeping into management and the next thing you know the Canucks are something entirely different, with, other than Petey, no 2nd line.  So instead of going with 4 lines we reverted back to 3 top 2 centers, Horvat out, Lindholm in.  Back to the same build that didn't work then and didn't work in the playoffs. 

 

Now take a look at the depth when the Canucks replace Lindholm, Mikheyev, Lafferty and Podkolzin with DeBrusk, Heinen, Sherwood and Sprong.  We're back to having 4 lines you can role with wingers Petey can actually use.  I'm excited for the Canucks to go back to being a deep and dangerous team. Something we just weren't going into the playoffs, we lost our identity and what made us successful throughout the whole season and went backwards with a tried and tested failure of 3 top 2 centres.  Tocchet has so many options now.

 

(Heinen, Hoglander, Sherwood) ? - Miller - Boeser

DeBrusk - Petey - ? (Lekkerimaki, Sprong Heinen)

Joshua - Blueger ? (Suter)- Garland

Hoglander - Suter ? (Blueger) - Sherwood 

 

On defence I'm looking forward to see how Juulsen's development is coming along.  If he can ease Myers' workload.  We will miss Zadorov but with the emergence of Elias Pettersson on Defence I'm not nearly as concerned about the left side.  

 

Everyone Allvin has brought in compliments Tocchet's coaching style and are all used to defensive systems.  No butting heads with Zadorov or Kuzmenko to be responsible in their own end.  Players that Tocchet can get the most out of.  

 

And I'm not nearly as concerned about the goaltending as many in the media are.  A great structured system can make average goalies look like world stars but a weak defensive system can make even the best goalies look like career AHLers.  

 

 

 

I agree except from Sprong, but Sprong and Hogs can perhaps fight over the spot next to Petey. Whoever lifts his game defensively might claim it. Or Heinen will take...

[MathIsFun]

On 5/28/2024 at 9:02 AM, JayDangles said:

All good. I often start a post and realise somewhere near the end that I've drifted into a totally different direction.

That's called a "Trumpism"!

[Johngould21]

On 8/27/2024 at 6:06 PM, Pure961089 said:

The Canucks went through so much change this season.  But Allvin has been successful in bringing in players that compliment Tocchet's coaching style.  Other teams bring in players that the coach needs to adapt to but the Canucks do the opposite.  The team that went into the playoffs was a disjointed mess.  Before the trade deadline the Canucks were rolling 4 lines. This changed when uncertainty to whether Petey would sign long term started creeping into management and the next thing you know the Canucks are something entirely different, with, other than Petey, no 2nd line.  So instead of going with 4 lines we reverted back to 3 top 2 centers, Horvat out, Lindholm in.  Back to the same build that didn't work then and didn't work in the playoffs. 

 

Now take a look at the depth when the Canucks replace Lindholm, Mikheyev, Lafferty and Podkolzin with DeBrusk, Heinen, Sherwood and Sprong.  We're back to having 4 lines you can role with wingers Petey can actually use.  I'm excited for the Canucks to go back to being a deep and dangerous team. Something we just weren't going into the playoffs, we lost our identity and what made us successful throughout the whole season and went backwards with a tried and tested failure of 3 top 2 centres.  Tocchet has so many options now.

 

(Heinen, Hoglander, Sherwood) ? - Miller - Boeser

DeBrusk - Petey - ? (Lekkerimaki, Sprong Heinen)

Joshua - Blueger ? (Suter)- Garland

Hoglander - Suter ? (Blueger) - Sherwood 

 

On defence I'm looking forward to see how Juulsen's development is coming along.  If he can ease Myers' workload.  We will miss Zadorov but with the emergence of Elias Pettersson on Defence I'm not nearly as concerned about the left side.  

 

Everyone Allvin has brought in compliments Tocchet's coaching style and are all used to defensive systems.  No butting heads with Zadorov or Kuzmenko to be responsible in their own end.  Players that Tocchet can get the most out of.  

 

And I'm not nearly as concerned about the goaltending as many in the media are.  A great structured system can make average goalies look like world stars but a weak defensive system can make even the best goalies look like career AHLers.  

 

 

Brisbois will get a real good look this fall. As has been said, he basically made the team last season.

[stawns]

On 9/3/2024 at 1:21 PM, kettlevalley said:

Thatcher back skating.  

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/canucks-goalie-thatcher-demko-back-to-skating/

 

 

Basically, the Canucks just have to live with a compromised version of Demko.  Hopefully this isn't the beginning of the end of his career because they're back to being out of the playoff picture without him

[Alflives]

Cup celebration on Georgia coming June 2025. Demko wins the Smythe. True fans of our club believe. 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

 

Basically, the Canucks just have to live with a compromised version of Demko.  Hopefully this isn't the beginning of the end of his career because they're back to being out of the playoff picture without him

 

A lot of players deal with chronic issues, just have to wait and see.

 

Nice thing is Silovs looks like he could handle 30+ games so we don't need to freak out and over work Demko. 

 

[stawns]

9 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

A lot of players deal with chronic issues, just have to wait and see.

 

Nice thing is Silovs looks like he could handle 30+ games so we don't need to freak out and over work Demko. 

 

 

The question is, if there is a chronic issue that's not fixable, what level will be playing at?  Is demko at 75-80% for the rest of his career good enough to backstop this team?  There really isn't a replacement in the organization.......Silovs is great, but not Demko great

[Bob Long]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

The question is, if there is a chronic issue that's not fixable, what level will be playing at?  Is demko at 75-80% for the rest of his career good enough to backstop this team?  There really isn't a replacement in the organization.......Silovs is great, but not Demko great

 

I'm not sure how to put a percentage on it... it may mean he just has to make a small adjustment to how he plays? Maybe that means a few more pucks past him? Until we get to see him this year and read the comparisons about his style changes (if any) it's all a guess.

 

But 80% Demko is still probably better than half the league.

[Rip The Mesh]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

The question is, if there is a chronic issue that's not fixable, what level will be playing at?  Is demko at 75-80% for the rest of his career good enough to backstop this team?  There really isn't a replacement in the organization.......Silovs is great, but not Demko great

I must have seen, no less then 6 write ups, and counting, on how Demko's  injuries could be, might be, chronic. guess we find out in about a week. If he's not

taking part in pre-season scrimmages and games, that's pretty telling.    

[stawns]

51 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said:

I must have seen, no less then 6 write ups, and counting, on how Demko's  injuries could be, might be, chronic. guess we find out in about a week. If he's not

taking part in pre-season scrimmages and games, that's pretty telling.    

 

It's wait and see, for sure.  Still it's a concerning turn of events

[-dlc-]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

A lot of players deal with chronic issues, just have to wait and see.

 

Nice thing is Silovs looks like he could handle 30+ games so we don't need to freak out and over work Demko. 

 

Exactly. What is the degree of seriousness of the "chronic injury" and how intrusive is it to what he does? 

 

People automatically default to the worst case scenarios but it's very much a matter of not knowing what it is he's dealing with. He's out on the golf course so it's not something debilitating or preventing him from doing things. He's worth a "wait and see" approach for sure and not immediately jumping to who do we have to replace him? 

 

I'm leaning more toward who's in place to support him (when he does require rest?)

 

He's been overplayed at times (in part, from what I understand, due to his wanting to play). So adjusting things may be in order if it's a matter of overuse (like tendinitis). Not hitting the panic button.

 

 

[Bob Long]

1 hour ago, -dlc- said:

Exactly. What is the degree of seriousness of the "chronic injury" and how intrusive is it to what he does? 

 

People automatically default to the worst case scenarios but it's very much a matter of not knowing what it is he's dealing with. He's out the golfcourse so it's not something debilitating or preventing him from doing things. He's worth a "wait and see" approach for sure and not immediately jumping to who do we have to replace him? 

 

I'm leaning more toward who's in place to support him (when he does require rest?)

 

He's been overplayed at times (in part, from what I understand, due to his wanting to play). So adjusting things may be in order if it's a matter of overuse (like tendinitis). Not hitting the panic button.

 

 

 

Could even be a new maintenance routine that solves it. 

 

We just don't know enough to be worried imo. 

[stawns]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

Could even be a new maintenance routine that solves it. 

 

We just don't know enough to be worried imo. 

 

It's certainly worthy of discussion on a discussion board though 

[Bob Long]

26 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

It's certainly worthy of discussion on a discussion board though 

 

Oh for sure. Just have seen too much media bs in the past to worry until he's on LTIR.