canucks curse Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 17 minutes ago, Bob Long said: why do people think Lindy would be locked in at 3C? sure he'd be there some nights, other nights top line, other nights driving the defensive effort, etc. The guy can play multiple roles, all of them well. agree Petey Lindy Necas Hogz Miller Brock... Hogz Petey Necas Joshua Miller Lekkeremaki Suter Lindholm brock a ton of combinations... with lindholm, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Just now, canucks curse said: agree Petey Lindy Necas Hogz Miller Brock... Hogz Petey Necas Joshua Miller Lekkeremaki Suter Lindholm brock a ton of combinations... with lindholm, and an underrated element on the outside is that by all accounts, his teammates love him and acknowledge what a valuable player he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Also with regarding Necas. Doesn’t seem like a Tocchet player to me. I’m on the fence about that one. His talent is salivating though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 6 minutes ago, Devron said: Also with regarding Necas. Doesn’t seem like a Tocchet player to me. I’m on the fence about that one. His talent is salivating though that's a good point, I don't imagine JR/PA work in isolation with RT, one would think there is a lot of synergy there but we will see, he clearly has said how much he loves Zads and to some extent Lindy, he likes but doesn't love Joshua, if we recall, he came into camp in poor shape and RT spoke out about it and then gave him kudos for getting into shape fast in camp I also hope they get a big 4th liner with speed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Just now, canucks curse said: that's a good point, I don't imagine JR/PA work in isolation with RT, one would think there is a lot of synergy there but we will see, he clearly has said how much he loves Zads and to some extent Lindy, he likes but doesn't love Joshua, if we recall, he came into camp in poor shape and RT spoke out about it and then gave him kudos for getting into shape fast in camp I also hope they get a big 4th liner with speed Good points. I don’t think Joshua is coming back, I can see a team giving him a Mikheyev type deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Looking at Lindholm career stats. I figure him being a 60pt player is generous. So his cap hit should be in the range of $6M -$6.5M. He can only surpass that point production if he plays with quality wingers (like EP). 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanPer Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 7 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Do you think Lindholm needs 7m+ to stay in Vancouver? I might have thought 8 x 6.875m ( 55m ) would have been enticing but...... And agreed on Tanev. I just don't see him in Vancouver. Necas wouldn't sign for less than he is currently earning either so. Of course I hope we can sign Lindholm for as low as we can from the cap perspective. But something tells me that Lindholm that we saw in the playoffs is the real one, not the one that struggled through a short regular season stretch here. And if that is the case, we will be lucky if his ask starts with a 7. I would love the 8 x 6.875 if he would agree to that. In my mind, it would be a steal. But 6.5 that was suggested by a previous poster is ridiculously low. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BPA said: Looking at Lindholm career stats. I figure him being a 60pt player is generous. So his cap hit should be in the range of $6M -$6.5M. He can only surpass that point production if he plays with quality wingers (like EP). I agree, I mean do you see him turning down 6.5x8 yrs from the Canucks? no, it will come down to total money what about 5.5 x 8 yrs... = 44 million at this age... on a contender in a great city with a lot of Swedish players Edited May 25 by canucks curse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 minutes ago, canucks curse said: I agree, I mean do you see him turning down 6.5x8 yrs from the Canucks? no, it will come down to total money what about 5.5 x 8 yrs... = 44 million at this age... on a contender in a great city with a lot of Swedish players Bruins will off 8 x 7. So 56 mil. We would need to match or beat that. So 7 x 8. lots of moving parts. We extend Lindy then Petey or Miller play wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 28 minutes ago, Devron said: Good points. I don’t think Joshua is coming back, I can see a team giving him a Mikheyev type deal Maybe we can get him back in a years time at 50% if he flops without Garland and becomes a 4th liner again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinder1 Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I agree that the extra year we can give is huge. Think our 8 year deal can come pretty close to whatever 7 year deal another team can pay. And how about a NMC for first few years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 55 minutes ago, Devron said: Also with regarding Necas. Doesn’t seem like a Tocchet player to me. I’m on the fence about that one. His talent is salivating though I’m an old Hartford Whalers fan…so I Carolina is one if my eastern teams I watch…I like Necas, but don’t love him at the price he may command. He’s very hot and cold. But I guess that’s typical for a 2nd liner. If he’s unhappy under Brindamour…he’s gonna hate playing for Toc. I’d hate to see a trade where it makes sense on paper but the player doesn’t want to fit into the system…just another Kuz situation all over again He’s a good talent, solid 2nd line guy…but there is a reason Carolina is moving on from him. We need more toughness not less. And he’s not very physical. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 49 minutes ago, Devron said: Also with regarding Necas. Doesn’t seem like a Tocchet player to me. I’m on the fence about that one. His talent is salivating though Tocchet did mention that next training camp they'll look at being more creative offensively. So, who's to say if Necas wouldn't fit? We averaged like 18-20 shots in the playoffs and you can tell offensive threat was lacking in a major way. We need to strike that balance of two way play, physicality and ability to produce. 2011 team had a good mixture of that. It wasn't all two way players like we were this year. Bunch of non threats and Boeser. The real question is, how are we heavily interested in Necas and keeping Lindholm. Them alone is over half our free cap, and that's assuming they sign at around 7mil a pop. With Joshua, Hronek, Myers, and Zads needing contracts, and other holes in the lineup such as top 4 RHD. And Blueger I'd try to keep. Maybe we move Hronek for Necas. They don't have anyone signed on the right side after Brent "39 is the new 25" Burns and I guess Scott Morrow. We save 3.6mil this season with a Mik buyout. And 2.6mil next season. I'd probably look at dumping him with a 1st rounder honestly. Assuming we work something out to snag Necas' rights and find a suitable number for Lindholm. If we can guarantee we sign them, I feel more comfortable moving our 1st to dump Mik's entire contract. That's almost 5mil to be spent on our other UFAs and/or adding a top 4 RHD. Re-sign Myers cheap. Pick up Pesce/Tanev in free agency. Our top 4 wouldn't be great, but it's passable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Chatfield pushed Pesce out to slot in on the right side behind Burns. Pesce is not worth the money he’ll likely command on the open market. But my point is - Carolina has no need for Hronek and won’t be giving up Necas for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Chatfield pushed Pesce out to slot in on the right side behind Burns. Pesce is not worth the money he’ll likely command on the open market. But my point is - Carolina has no need for Hronek and won’t be giving up Necas for him. Canes only have Burns as a top four right shot D and he’s 39. You bet your socks they’d love to have Hronek. They’d give up Necas ++ to get him too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 5 minutes ago, GrammaInTheTub said: Chatfield pushed Pesce out to slot in on the right side behind Burns. Pesce is not worth the money he’ll likely command on the open market. But my point is - Carolina has no need for Hronek and won’t be giving up Necas for him. How long can burns play top pair minutes ? right side of Hronek, Burns, Chstfield is perfect for them from a size/age/skill set perspective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Devron said: Also with regarding Necas. Doesn’t seem like a Tocchet player to me. I’m on the fence about that one. His talent is salivating though What the team needs is more speed, improving their powerplay, and finding another top 6 winger so Mik and/ or Suter can go to the bottom 6 lines 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Fair points on Burns age and them needing a transition plan. I suppose I probably overstated Carolina’s level of comfort at that spot. Well shit - if we can unload Mik on them somehow too like others are saying then sign me up haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted May 25 Popular Post Share Posted May 25 38 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Tocchet did mention that next training camp they'll look at being more creative offensively. So, who's to say if Necas wouldn't fit? We averaged like 18-20 shots in the playoffs and you can tell offensive threat was lacking in a major way. We need to strike that balance of two way play, physicality and ability to produce. 2011 team had a good mixture of that. It wasn't all two way players like we were this year. Bunch of non threats and Boeser. The real question is, how are we heavily interested in Necas and keeping Lindholm. Them alone is over half our free cap, and that's assuming they sign at around 7mil a pop. With Joshua, Hronek, Myers, and Zads needing contracts, and other holes in the lineup such as top 4 RHD. And Blueger I'd try to keep. Maybe we move Hronek for Necas. They don't have anyone signed on the right side after Brent "39 is the new 25" Burns and I guess Scott Morrow. We save 3.6mil this season with a Mik buyout. And 2.6mil next season. I'd probably look at dumping him with a 1st rounder honestly. Assuming we work something out to snag Necas' rights and find a suitable number for Lindholm. If we can guarantee we sign them, I feel more comfortable moving our 1st to dump Mik's entire contract. That's almost 5mil to be spent on our other UFAs and/or adding a top 4 RHD. Re-sign Myers cheap. Pick up Pesce/Tanev in free agency. Our top 4 wouldn't be great, but it's passable. I’m strongly against trading Hronek. I find it ridiculous that a good majority of fans want to trade him. It’s like we’ve forgotten what it’s like to not have a solid RH defencemen. Add old timers isn’t the solution imo. I understand the rumours of contract and him not liking the media and all that but I hope it works out 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 6 minutes ago, Devron said: I’m strongly against trading Hronek. I find it ridiculous that a good majority of fans want to trade him. It’s like we’ve forgotten what it’s like to not have a solid RH defencemen. Add old timers isn’t the solution imo. I understand the rumours of contract and him not liking the media and all that but I hope it works out i’d rather have 40-50 points from Hronek than 60-70 from Necas…if he gets there. I’d love to see Tofolli back. Petey loved playing with him. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 25 minutes ago, Devron said: I’m strongly against trading Hronek. I find it ridiculous that a good majority of fans want to trade him. It’s like we’ve forgotten what it’s like to not have a solid RH defencemen. Add old timers isn’t the solution imo. I understand the rumours of contract and him not liking the media and all that but I hope it works out Nobody would be opposed to keeping him if his contract asks weren't 8mil. Lol. Old RHD is better than having a Darnell Nurse contract on the books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Nobody would be opposed to keeping him if his contract asks weren't 8mil. Lol. Old RHD is better than having a Darnell Nurse contract on the books. Yes but I’m also not going to assume it takes 8 million to keep him around because of a report. Agree we don’t want an overpaid guy, luckily his offence dried up at the end putting us in a better position to get the right deal done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said: Nobody would be opposed to keeping him if his contract asks weren't 8mil. Lol. Old RHD is better than having a Darnell Nurse contract on the books. I just simply don't let myself get caught up in those numbers someone somewhere or somehow found out. For the simple reason it will come out after the fact to be nowhere near how it plays out lol. We've seen it time and time before. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 3 hours ago, stawns said: Necas is a 25 year old guy who scored 81 points two years ago. His number is likely going to start with an 8 Necas scored 71 points two years ago and regressed to 53 points. I doubt anyone is going to pay him $8 million... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, Devron said: Yes but I’m also not going to assume it takes 8 million to keep him around because of a report. Agree we don’t want an overpaid guy, luckily his offence dried up at the end putting us in a better position to get the right deal done The report is also the Canucks made him an offer and he refused. Safe to say the reports about his ask aren't just a complete ass pull. Honestly, his play was so bad in the last 50 games of the season 6.5mil feels high. I'd be hesitant to give him 7mil at this point. Let alone anything higher. I do hope management can get him closer to 6.5mil. Problem is he's likely going to want a long term deal for lots of money cause it's his last real chance at it. But he's overplaying his hand and may end up as the next Klingberg. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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