[discussion] extend or trade Boeser?

[EastCoastExpress]

13 minutes ago, qwijjibo said:

Lol. Moving the goalposts doesnt help your argument.   Marner has been over a point per game every year since his 3rd season. He's put up 90+points 3 times. He's also managed to stay mostly healthy.In that period Boeser has never been over a ppg, has hovered around 50 points per season and missed big blocks of games every year except last year. I think the player thst puts up far more points and dresses for far more games is a better value regardless of the cap hit 

you sound like a Edmonton or Toronto GM whisperer.

[qwijjibo]

1 minute ago, EastCoastExpress said:

you sound like a Edmonton or Toronto GM whisperer.

Why? Because I'm able to acknowledge a talented player from another team? How dare I inject facts huh 

[EastCoastExpress]

1 minute ago, qwijjibo said:

Why? Because I'm able to acknowledge a talented player from another team? How dare I inject facts huh 

Ok, first of all, you have been using Marner as a comp for Boeser. You started it. But if you look at what Toronto valued Marner at, contract wise, shouldnt you compare Marner to Miller? Miller 3 MIL cheaper.

Oh, not fair? how about EP then?

Value is important, Cap is important, and there are other "intangibles" that are important that AI software will never understand, in case you are a Bot or do your thunking based on asking grok or ChatGPT.

Vancouver is better with Boeser. Always will be. Would welcome Marner but only at a big discount. Like at least Miller contract.

[qwijjibo]

2 minutes ago, EastCoastExpress said:

Ok, first of all, you have been using Marner as a comp for Boeser. You started it. But if you look at what Toronto valued Marner at, contract wise, shouldnt you compare Marner to Miller? Miller 3 MIL cheaper.

Oh, not fair? how about EP then?

Value is important, Cap is important, and there are other "intangibles" that are important that AI software will never understand, in case you are a Bot or do your thunking based on asking grok or ChatGPT.

Vancouver is better with Boeser. Always will be. Would welcome Marner but only at a big discount. Like at least Miller contract.

Actually. Have a look back. I didn't start it. I merely jumped in when you decided to use a small sampling of stats from select years to try to prove Boeser is the better player. You didn't bring value in until you got shut down on the stats.  And since you're so find of cherry picking.  Take Boesers last year out and tell me he lived up to his contract in the other years, let alone outperformed it.  

[EastCoastExpress]

3 minutes ago, qwijjibo said:

Actually. Have a look back. I didn't start it. I merely jumped in when you decided to use a small sampling of stats from select years to try to prove Boeser is the better player. You didn't bring value in until you got shut down on the stats.  And since you're so find of cherry picking.  Take Boesers last year out and tell me he lived up to his contract in the other years, let alone outperformed it.  

yes I am sorry! I did look back where the Marner comp got thrown in!

His rookie year. He was on ELC for a few years and outperformed.

He made all stars and even MVP in the all star game.

With the injuries and the general poor performance of the team I think Boeser would have had better seasons.

Life is what it is and I think Boeser showed he can bounce back and grow to even a better person, team-mate, player and will continue.

Edited September 8 by EastCoastExpress

[Hammertime]

11 minutes ago, EastCoastExpress said:

If there was a 16 ounce steak under them and bacon on top.

So you've never made a sandwich before.

 

Jokes aside. You do realise a lot of guys have scored 40 before. Brock if healthy is an average 30 goal scorer. Before last season he was an average 25 goal scorer. Don't get me wrong he's a good player but like a 55-70 point good player and only If his deployment is largely staggered to offence. Which I have no issue with you wouldn't off road a lambo just because its 4x4. But it reamins true. How many more years is he going to be able to skate in this league? He hasn't exactly been reliable you have to be a bit of a realist. it's fun to get swept away in fandom.

 

You should def buy that jersey no matter what happens. I'm still a fan of many players even years after they left the Canucks and that also includes Brock if he finds himself on another team.

 

Term over 5 years worries me. I could understand 6 to bring the cap down to 7ish but I can't see him playing in the nhl at 35+ no matter how rosy my glasses. 

[EastCoastExpress]

11 minutes ago, Hammertime said:

So you've never made a sandwich before.

 

Jokes aside. You do realise a lot of guys have scored 40 before. Brock if healthy is an average 30 goal scorer. Before last season he was an average 25 goal scorer. Don't get me wrong he's a good player but like a 55-70 point good player and only If his deployment is largely staggered to offence. Which I have no issue with you wouldn't off road a lambo just because its 4x4. But it reamins true. How many more years is he going to be able to skate in this league? He hasn't exactly been reliable you have to be a bit of a realist. it's fun to get swept away in fandom.

 

You should def buy that jersey no matter what happens. I'm still a fan of many players even years after they left the Canucks and that also includes Brock if he finds himself on another team.

 

Term over 5 years worries me. I could understand 6 to bring the cap down to 7ish but I can't see him playing in the nhl at 35+ no matter how rosy my glasses. 

Thinking about Boeser contract (at his current age) makes me think about how valuable Miller's contract is just 2 years later.

The value now is way lower than what it could be in 3 or 4 years when he gets to JT's current age.

Would you not agree that Miller is worth 11M today?

Boeser at 8 or 9 now, in 3 years, would look the same. You want to have to RE-UP him then?

edit, thought about the sandwich, Steak on the bottom, bread, then Gravy, onions and mushrooms on the top

 

Edited September 8 by EastCoastExpress

[Hammertime]

1 minute ago, EastCoastExpress said:

Thinking about Boeser contract (at his current age) makes me think about how valuable Miller's contract is just 2 years later.

The value now is way lower than what it could be in 3 or 4 years when he gets to JT's current age.

Would you not agree that Miller is worth 11M today?

Boeser at 8 or 9 now, in 3 years, would look the same. You want to have to RE-UP him then?

It's not apples to apples though. Miller when he ceases to be top 6 will be one of the best 3c in the league at 34ish and play out his contract as an effective bottom 6. Brock doesn't have bottom 6 chopps he's a lambo remember not a pickup. He will play out his final years as a PP specialist and theres nothing wrong with that. 7-8 years is too long.

[JT Millers Body Language]

I am all good with trading him and getting something in return. He scored the same amount as Kuzmenko did when he was on the first unit powerplay you can take an average scorer and make the look great with JT and Hughes on the powerplay.

 

Rather use the cap on a top 4 dman. and put a cheaper option on RW with Miller. 

[IBatch]

On 9/7/2024 at 11:46 PM, qwijjibo said:

Lol. Moving the goalposts doesnt help your argument.   Marner has been over a point per game every year since his 3rd season. He's put up 90+points 3 times. He's also managed to stay mostly healthy.In that period Boeser has never been over a ppg, has hovered around 50 points per season and missed big blocks of games every year except last year. I think the player thst puts up far more points and dresses for far more games is a better value regardless of the cap hit 

A couple decades ago we'd all agree with you.   Now it's cap hit versus performance/production all too often unfortunately.    Seriously don't take it against anyone who honestly just likes a player and what he does based on the feels either.   Brock is an affable guy, and if we had zero clue what he's getting paid i'd also bet he'd have a lot more fans then he's managed to date, and a lot more interested in seeing him retire a Canuck too.   Also think he's got the backing of most fans - who doesn't like a comeback story, even if in Brock's case it's just better late then never. 

[EastCoastExpress]

8 hours ago, JT Millers Body Language said:

I am all good with trading him and getting something in return. He scored the same amount as Kuzmenko did when he was on the first unit powerplay you can take an average scorer and make the look great with JT and Hughes on the powerplay.

 

Rather use the cap on a top 4 dman. and put a cheaper option on RW with Miller. 

I think we dont have as bad of defense as you are thinking. The additions are even putting Juulsen down to 7th. Juulsen is exactly the stay home big defender Hughes needs to dig the puck out in d zone to feed Hughes to break.

Big blocking, Big hitting young guy who knows to just get puck give to Hughes over and over and over.

Our defense no longer sucks, folks.

[IBatch]

On 9/8/2024 at 12:29 AM, Hammertime said:

So you've never made a sandwich before.

 

Jokes aside. You do realise a lot of guys have scored 40 before. Brock if healthy is an average 30 goal scorer. Before last season he was an average 25 goal scorer. Don't get me wrong he's a good player but like a 55-70 point good player and only If his deployment is largely staggered to offence. Which I have no issue with you wouldn't off road a lambo just because its 4x4. But it reamins true. How many more years is he going to be able to skate in this league? He hasn't exactly been reliable you have to be a bit of a realist. it's fun to get swept away in fandom.

 

You should def buy that jersey no matter what happens. I'm still a fan of many players even years after they left the Canucks and that also includes Brock if he finds himself on another team.

 

Term over 5 years worries me. I could understand 6 to bring the cap down to 7ish but I can't see him playing in the nhl at 35+ no matter how rosy my glasses. 

We'd gain the first couple years of his deal (1 and 2), par the next couple years of his deal (3-5)  lose after that (6-8) most likely with Brock on a term deal.    The other way to approach him is just pay him a million more then is palatable the first couple years, and avoid the likely ending, possibly a buyout candidate, somewhere in years 6-8.    Likely anyways.   One thing he won't lose is his shot.    Not likely anyways.    Brett Hull and especially Luc Robatialle's skating was brought up as a reason they'd fall.   Hull's game became more rounded, was actually a very good two-way player in Dallas and in Detroit late in his career.   Lucky Luc just kept filling the net cement shoes and all.    Didn't find Toffoli particularly quick either, just one of the leagues best at becoming invisible, then appearing at the right place at the right time.    Brock at least is active along the boards, and starts hustling back right away (he for sure doesn't have any cherry picker in him, waiting at the blue line for an outlet pass).  

 

Like you, have reservations on a full term deal, and feel he's earned a 5 year maybe 6.    Also feel that so many 36-38 year old deals have been given out the past couple years, his agent has all the ammo to ask for term too.    How Allvin will deal with Brock will be this years big move/signing.    DeBrusk got a full term deal, after a career of top six just below 6.    Tochett for sure got through to Brock.

 

Hes been skating but his training has been impacted by the blot clot.   Will that translate on ice in a poor way, or will he slide right back into the 7 goal scorer we saw in the playoffs?    To me he's this teams version of Greg Adam's.    Will have some hero moments, like he did against  NSH, if we keep him.

 

Another thing to consider is EPs current deal.   Brings him to 34.   By the time QHs is 33, and he's doing his last year (EP), Brock will be 35/36, Miller likely retired or maybe on a 2 year final deal.    Where will the team be on their cycle?   My bet is they will be starting their rebuild.   Having a long term vet or two, is just fine for that.   And pretty normal as well.   So even though he probably needs buying out, we likely won't bother.   The same as we did with the Sedin core.   And like the Sedin core, most of these guys will be fully clauses up and unmovable too.     QHs, if he re-signs, will be the other long term vet part of a down cycle.   Demko too if he signs a full term deal. 

 

Our "window" really is EPs current deal.   And the peak contending window is debateable.   Suggested last year near the start that Allvin should be looking to trade a first and help the team, and also planning for this year at the same time to go for it.    And just keep the foot on the pedal for as long as we have JT Miller in his peak prime.    After that it's anyone's guess as to how things work out.    Hopefully the brass and our coaching staff, can keep us winning right until EPs deal is done.     QHs is more of a what if.   Like EP damned if we do, but more damned if we don't.    

 

Lekkermaki, Willander, EPD and Silovs provide most of what we need long term coming up behind to provide that cap relief the team will need during OELs stuff.     It's like Allvin knows what he's doing or something.    De-Brusk-EP-Lekkermaki should push the Miller line down in two years, which bodes very well for us.   Kessler mostly had to do it on his own, didn't have a Brock with him.   Just a Sammuelson and a Raymond.   Not the same.     
 

Those guys replace Myers, Soucy and ??(Sprong?!).    On cheap deals.   So cap really isn't much of a problem for us long term.   If they don't or can't do it, then this core isn't likely to truly contend aside from last season and this one.   And in that case, Allvin will need to re-boot for a later date.    Brock proved he's got it last year.   Has to prove it's real this year.    Don't think he's going to have much trouble doing that.   And especially don't think we need to worry about years 6-8, by then we are past this current cores peak window and into something of a flux.   Lekkermaki, EPD, Willander will all be RFAs still. 

 

Edit:  Allvin also will be well into his own drafting half way through Brock's next deal.   It for sure will make an impact either way (if he's able to hit on something in the later rounds or not). 

Edited September 10 by IBatch

[Hammertime]

On 9/10/2024 at 5:28 AM, IBatch said:

We'd gain the first couple years of his deal (1 and 2), par the next couple years of his deal (3-5)  lose after that (6-8) most likely with Brock on a term deal.    The other way to approach him is just pay him a million more then is palatable the first couple years, and avoid the likely ending, possibly a buyout candidate, somewhere in years 6-8.    Likely anyways.   One thing he won't lose is his shot.    Not likely anyways.    Brett Hull and especially Luc Robatialle's skating was brought up as a reason they'd fall.   Hull's game became more rounded, was actually a very good two-way player in Dallas and in Detroit late in his career.   Lucky Luc just kept filling the net cement shoes and all.    Didn't find Toffoli particularly quick either, just one of the leagues best at becoming invisible, then appearing at the right place at the right time.    Brock at least is active along the boards, and starts hustling back right away (he for sure doesn't have any cherry picker in him, waiting at the blue line for an outlet pass).  

 

Like you, have reservations on a full term deal, and feel he's earned a 5 year maybe 6.    Also feel that so many 36-38 year old deals have been given out the past couple years, his agent has all the ammo to ask for term too.    How Allvin will deal with Brock will be this years big move/signing.    DeBrusk got a full term deal, after a career of top six just below 6.    Tochett for sure got through to Brock.

 

Hes been skating but his training has been impacted by the blot clot.   Will that translate on ice in a poor way, or will he slide right back into the 7 goal scorer we saw in the playoffs?    To me he's this teams version of Greg Adam's.    Will have some hero moments, like he did against  NSH, if we keep him.

 

Another thing to consider is EPs current deal.   Brings him to 34.   By the time QHs is 33, and he's doing his last year (EP), Brock will be 35/36, Miller likely retired or maybe on a 2 year final deal.    Where will the team be on their cycle?   My bet is they will be starting their rebuild.   Having a long term vet or two, is just fine for that.   And pretty normal as well.   So even though he probably needs buying out, we likely won't bother.   The same as we did with the Sedin core.   And like the Sedin core, most of these guys will be fully clauses up and unmovable too.     QHs, if he re-signs, will be the other long term vet part of a down cycle.   Demko too if he signs a full term deal. 

 

Our "window" really is EPs current deal.   And the peak contending window is debateable.   Suggested last year near the start that Allvin should be looking to trade a first and help the team, and also planning for this year at the same time to go for it.    And just keep the foot on the pedal for as long as we have JT Miller in his peak prime.    After that it's anyone's guess as to how things work out.    Hopefully the brass and our coaching staff, can keep us winning right until EPs deal is done.     QHs is more of a what if.   Like EP damned if we do, but more damned if we don't.    

 

Lekkermaki, Willander, EPD and Silovs provide most of what we need long term coming up behind to provide that cap relief the team will need during OELs stuff.     It's like Allvin knows what he's doing or something.    De-Brusk-EP-Lekkermaki should push the Miller line down in two years, which bodes very well for us.   Kessler mostly had to do it on his own, didn't have a Brock with him.   Just a Sammuelson and a Raymond.   Not the same.     
 

Those guys replace Myers, Soucy and ??(Sprong?!).    On cheap deals.   So cap really isn't much of a problem for us long term.   If they don't or can't do it, then this core isn't likely to truly contend aside from last season and this one.   And in that case, Allvin will need to re-boot for a later date.    Brock proved he's got it last year.   Has to prove it's real this year.    Don't think he's going to have much trouble doing that.   And especially don't think we need to worry about years 6-8, by then we are past this current cores peak window and into something of a flux.   Lekkermaki, EPD, Willander will all be RFAs still. 

 

Edit:  Allvin also will be well into his own drafting half way through Brock's next deal.   It for sure will make an impact either way (if he's able to hit on something in the later rounds or not). 

Thing is I don't think youre ever going to get surplus value on his extension. He had a shooting percentage of 20 last year while his career average is 13. With a 105 pdo. I'm personally not buying that last year wasn't an outlier. He's very likely to regress back to a 25-30 goalscorer 50-60 point guy. Absolutely still a good player but not one you lock up 8x8. I hope I'm wrong of course but the eye test matches the data Miller is carrying him to a huge extent and I'm not just referring to the offensive zone. Brock is a big plus asset in the O zone but hes a minus in the remaining areas of the rink. Hence his heavily staggered O zone deployment. If Miller is going to be taking on the tough matchups do we really want Brock out there against Mcdavid Mackinnon with his skating deficiency. 

 

I think if we go 8x8 we get about 3 years of fair value and 5 of bad to worse. 

 

Toffoli is an interesting comp tho. I'm curious to see how that 4 year deal plays out.  

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Hammertime said:

Thing is I don't think youre ever going to get surplus value on his extension. He had a shooting percentage of 20 last year while his career average is 13. With a 105 pdo. I'm personally not buying that last year wasn't an outlier. He's very likely to regress back to a 25-30 goalscorer 50-60 point guy. Absolutely still a good player but not one you lock up 8x8. I hope I'm wrong of course but the eye test matches the data Miller is carrying him to a huge extent and I'm not just referring to the offensive zone. Brock is a big plus asset in the O zone but hes a minus in the remaining areas of the rink. Hence his heavily staggered O zone deployment. If Miller is going to be taking on the tough matchups do we really want Brock out there against Mcdavid Mackinnon with his skating deficiency. 

 

I think if we go 8x8 we get about 3 years of fair value and 5 of bad to worse. 

 

Toffoli is an interesting comp tho. I'm curious to see how that 4 year deal plays out.  

Brock came into camp looking better/quicker then ever last season.   Feel Miller got a bump in his stats as a result, not the other way around.   For the first time anyways.    Brock's had stretches of 10-12 games in his career, where he's been the best Canuck on the team.   Not often, but it's happened.   To me he's finally putting the effort into the sport he needed to do to get to that next level.   The one that was evidently there his rookie season where he was scoring at a 40 goal pace, and lasering the discs at the all-star game and winning MVP honours.    He's come a long way since his rookie year as far as the other side of the puck goes too.   

 

Don't see him lazily skating back on the play, he's hustling to get back, sure he's not as quick but he's quick to hustle back.   He's not just o-zone, Millers line was relied on to play head to head with McDavid, Mathew's, McKinnon, Kucherov etc last year, they did pretty amazing, as their plus minus suggests.  Same with the eyeballs.  Most teams would be happy if it was just even, or a light minus taking on the best lines on the planet.    Often enough  they started in the D-zone, and took the puck in, plus once they got it in, they kept it there well.   They punt the puck in a corner and then retrieve.    And that all 3 doing the retrieving.   Nothing like the 73% Sedin O-zone starts. 

 

   He's not gritty, don't see him hurting us in that area either, his board work/battle's he wins more then he loses.   As for Toffoli, he's pretty overrated on this board.   He's doesn't have Brocks shot, he's one of the best at sneaking in and tapping in a puck though.    Not a huge fan of his game outside of he does score goals.   Completely devoid of contact, and doesn't offer much else.     Going back to the bubble ... what did Toffoli actually do to get so much love?       So many people went googlee eyed over 13 or so games plus a very mediocre bubble performance.    Meanwhile Brock came back and was taking huge hits to make plays,  Toffoli was hiding from it at all costs.    Brock's come a long way since the bubble.  

 

8 x 8 seems extreme.  It's also very valid to wonder if he's a 25/25, 30/30 or 35-35plus guy over the next five or so years.    I don't think Miller is going to be a 90-100 point guy without  Brock though.    And do think Brock would help EP as well.    Guess i'm still a believer.   He's got a great shot.   And he's scoring goals in all sorts of ways.   7 goals in two rounds is awfully good.    Was arguably our best forward last post season.  Sure scored a huge goal.   And the others mattered too.  Was the only player, that won a game for the team (as in forced his will from puck drop until we won, made that much of an impact). 

 

So.   What to do?   The right thing is wait and see.    If he does regress, then pay less.    If he does keep up last years good work, then 8 x 8 is a possibility.   At least the team would have a better gauge on him.    Still agree a 5-6 year deal is what he's actually earned.   Think a six year deal is quite possible.   If we pay him 8 on a six year deal, don't see why anyone should be too unhappy about that, including Brock really.    That's 48 million buckeroos.   Almost as much as 7 x 7. 

 

 

 

Edited September 11 by IBatch

[EastCoastExpress]

6 hours ago, IBatch said:

Brock came into camp looking better/quicker then ever last season.   Feel Miller got a bump in his stats as a result, not the other way around.   For the first time anyways.    Brock's had stretches of 10-12 games in his career, where he's been the best Canuck on the team.   Not often, but it's happened.   To me he's finally putting the effort into the sport he needed to do to get to that next level.   The one that was evidently there his rookie season where he was scoring at a 40 goal pace, and lasering the discs at the all-star game and winning MVP honours.    He's come a long way since his rookie year as far as the other side of the puck goes too.   

 

Don't see him lazily skating back on the play, he's hustling to get back, sure he's not as quick but he's quick to hustle back.   He's not just o-zone, Millers line was relied on to play head to head with McDavid, Mathew's, McKinnon, Kucherov etc last year, they did pretty amazing, as their plus minus suggests.  Same with the eyeballs.  Most teams would be happy if it was just even, or a light minus taking on the best lines on the planet.    Often enough  they started in the D-zone, and took the puck in, plus once they got it in, they kept it there well.   They punt the puck in a corner and then retrieve.    And that all 3 doing the retrieving.   Nothing like the 73% Sedin O-zone starts. 

 

   He's not gritty, don't see him hurting us in that area either, his board work/battle's he wins more then he loses.   As for Toffoli, he's pretty overrated on this board.   He's doesn't have Brocks shot, he's one of the best at sneaking in and tapping in a puck though.    Not a huge fan of his game outside of he does score goals.   Completely devoid of contact, and doesn't offer much else.     Going back to the bubble ... what did Toffoli actually do to get so much love?       So many people went googlee eyed over 13 or so games plus a very mediocre bubble performance.    Meanwhile Brock came back and was taking huge hits to make plays,  Toffoli was hiding from it at all costs.    Brock's come a long way since the bubble.  

 

8 x 8 seems extreme.  It's also very valid to wonder if he's a 25/25, 30/30 or 35-35plus guy over the next five or so years.    I don't think Miller is going to be a 90-100 point guy without  Brock though.    And do think Brock would help EP as well.    Guess i'm still a believer.   He's got a great shot.   And he's scoring goals in all sorts of ways.   7 goals in two rounds is awfully good.    Was arguably our best forward last post season.  Sure scored a huge goal.   And the others mattered too.  Was the only player, that won a game for the team (as in forced his will from puck drop until we won, made that much of an impact). 

 

So.   What to do?   The right thing is wait and see.    If he does regress, then pay less.    If he does keep up last years good work, then 8 x 8 is a possibility.   At least the team would have a better gauge on him.    Still agree a 5-6 year deal is what he's actually earned.   Think a six year deal is quite possible.   If we pay him 8 on a six year deal, don't see why anyone should be too unhappy about that, including Brock really.    That's 48 million buckeroos.   Almost as much as 7 x 7. 

 

 

 

I think the people scared of 8 year deals have PTSD from Errickson/OEL type contracts, which the canucks signed before even seeing the player bond with the team or build chemistry.

With the CAP going up, and I think it will be big leaps for the next few years, long term deals with a guy who has great hands goes a long way.

They also seem to have better value.

If Boeser's peak is in his early 30's when UFA (if they only give him 6yrs), would we be able to afford him? by then, 10 or 12 million contracts will be the norm for a solid guy.

When they signed JT it seemed long, but man, i think JT plays hard right into his next contract!

[IBatch]

Just for some perspective.   Both Naslund and D. Sedin took time to get going.   So did JT Miller for that matter. 

 

D. Sedin     Naslund    Brock  EP Bure

Age Goals 

19     0           0             4         28   0

20   20           4            29       27   34

21    9             2            26       10    60

22   14           22           16       32    60

23   18           21            23      39    20

24    0            14           23      34    6

25   22           36           18               23

26   36           27           40              51

27   29           40                              

28   31            41

29   29           48

30   41           35

31   30           0 

32   12           32

33   16           24

34   20          25

35   28          24

36   15

37   23  

 

393              395

 

Now consider covid/injuries.   Not sure why Brock isn't getting a break.    The Sedins were heavily criticized given their high draft slots, sure didn't take to the NHL like Linden did,  or even Nedved who on his third season scored 38 goals as a second or third line center.   Then after traded hit 95 points.    If you compare these guys year to year ... only Naslund had a better pre 26th birthday season, at 25, but Brock's 26th year was better.    And Brock's stats are massively scewed on games played/injuries.    If he follows Nalsunds path, we've got six 

more great seasons ahead, five with D. Sedin.   Then back to pre 25-26 numbers for a couple seasons.   Don't think that's unrealistic at all given it also is a trend that most NHL blue chippers follows.   And Brock for sure is an NHL blue chipper.    Don't think it's at all unrealistic to expect 6 more 25-30 plus goal seasons from Brock.   8 years total with a 7 year deal.   Followed with a couple 15-25 goal seasons.    Even with his injuries and motivational (Dad) issues, he's still managed to surpass two guys who's jerseys are retired.   Doubt he's going to do what Naslund did, but do think he can pace or even surpass D.Sedin.    These stats are taken from hockey reference.    Also added EP and then some Bure .. just for shits and giggles.   Some lockouts are in there. 

 

It's reasonable to think that Brock's a lock for 350 plus goals, and EP is a lock for 400 plus, both as Canucks if Brock re-signs long term.    Lockouts likely took 30 goals from D. Sedin.   Bure 20-30 as a Canuck. 

Edited Monday at 11:01 AM by IBatch