Bob Long Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. Got to agree. It’s not too long ago he was in Tocchet’s doghouse for coming to camp in not too shape. Does that put into question DJ’s commitment to off season training and being the best player he can be? I guess PA and Tocchet have a good handle on DJ and whether he’s worth the risk. We can't get into a bidding war with TO either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 14 minutes ago, Bob Long said: No, we can't. Suter is great but you are correct we need more size not less. Every nickel will count from here on out. OEL's buyout looming. And in the horizon, QHs next deal as well. Allvin likely will pass on one of DJ or Lindholm or Hronek, even with another buyout or draft/young depth used to trade Mikheyev. Garland is a maybe. We trade Garland, buyout Mikheyev ... the complexity if what he's created is next level. Sure hope he locks our D-core in though. Tochett has proven his methods are effective. Zadarov is the one player i'd hate to see leave. Then Hronek, then Lindholm in that order. Hard to replace a D core constantly and expect results. We need stability. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, IBatch said: Every nickel will count from here on out. OEL's buyout looming. And in the horizon, QHs next deal as well. Allvin likely will pass on one of DJ or Lindholm or Hronek, even with another buyout or draft/young depth used to trade Mikheyev. Garland is a maybe. We trade Garland, buyout Mikheyev ... the complexity if what he's created is next level. Sure hope he locks our D-core in though. Tochett has proven his methods are effective. Zadarov is the one player i'd hate to see leave. Then Hronek, then Lindholm in that order. Hard to replace a D core constantly and expect results. We need stability. A lot of top teams carry dead cap in one way or another. The key to winning is having their most important players healthy during the playoffs. We were without Demko, Petey was on one leg, and Hughes had his ribs wrapped. Those three are the key for us. DJ is a supporting piece. He’s pretty much an interchangeable part. Any of our guys other than the key three will be moved out if they are only interested in chasing money. Just like Horfat Wallet was dumparooed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 13 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: If that's the case, put Garland with EP! That's the solution, imo. You can reconstruct the third line for the same price youd pay for one first line winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 minute ago, stawns said: That's the solution, imo. You can reconstruct the third line for the same price youd pay for one first line winger Garland is way too slow to play with Petey. Petey needs a fast winger who can drive D off the blue line on the rush. Garland is getting traded. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 18 minutes ago, Alflives said: A lot of top teams carry dead cap in one way or another. The key to winning is having their most important players healthy during the playoffs. We were without Demko, Petey was on one leg, and Hughes had his ribs wrapped. Those three are the key for us. DJ is a supporting piece. He’s pretty much an interchangeable part. Any of our guys other than the key three will be moved out if they are only interested in chasing money. Just like Horfat Wallet was dumparooed. The Joshua-Garlnd pairing was our 2nd best and most consistent forward pairing behind only JT-Brock. They were the core of our second line in the playoffs. You are trying to run both of them out of town. DJ is a supporting piece, yes, and our core pieces as you highlighted gave us nothing in the playoffs. Improved supporting pieces and coaching are what turned this core from middling to contender. We needed 2 more Dakota Joshua’s on this team, not one less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 7 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: The Joshua-Garlnd pairing was our 2nd best and most consistent forward pairing behind only JT-Brock. They were the core of our second line in the playoffs. You are trying to run both of them out of town. DJ is a supporting piece, yes, and our core pieces as you highlighted gave us nothing in the playoffs. Improved supporting pieces and coaching are what turned this core from middling to contender. We needed 2 more Dakota Joshua’s on this team, not one less. In terms of replacing DJ and finding a guy that can pair with Garland need a guy who's strong on the wall and can finish around the net. I believe Alvin and the pro scouts can find a guy like that. Based on Joshua's age this is likely his one opportunity to set himself for life and he should pursue as long a term as he can get be that with the Canucks or elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: The Joshua-Garlnd pairing was our 2nd best and most consistent forward pairing behind only JT-Brock. They were the core of our second line in the playoffs. You are trying to run both of them out of town. DJ is a supporting piece, yes, and our core pieces as you highlighted gave us nothing in the playoffs. Improved supporting pieces and coaching are what turned this core from middling to contender. We needed 2 more Dakota Joshua’s on this team, not one less. Joshua is likely gone, imo, and you just trust that they find another Joshua out there.......they found and developed the first one! It's going to be tough to build back better than last year, imo, but I do think they can tread water, at least, and use their experience to make another good push in the playoffs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, flat land fish said: In terms of replacing DJ and finding a guy that can pair with Garland need a guy who's strong on the wall and can finish around the net. I believe Alvin and the pro scouts can find a guy like that. Based on Joshua's age this is likely his one opportunity to set himself for life and he should pursue as long a term as he can get be that with the Canucks or elsewhere. Again, time to put Garland in the top 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 13 hours ago, fuzzy said: Unfortunately Garland's muffin shot isn't playable in the top 6. Did you know Garland can actually crank it. When they display shot velocities Garly's clapper if often in the high 90's, Now if he would just shoot more from better angles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, stawns said: Again, time to put Garland in the top 6 I guess it depends what else you can acquire to support the Petey line. Garland as a 3rd line play driver was a secret weapon atleast in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 12 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: The Joshua-Garlnd pairing was our 2nd best and most consistent forward pairing behind only JT-Brock. They were the core of our second line in the playoffs. You are trying to run both of them out of town. DJ is a supporting piece, yes, and our core pieces as you highlighted gave us nothing in the playoffs. Improved supporting pieces and coaching are what turned this core from middling to contender. We needed 2 more Dakota Joshua’s on this team, not one less. DJ can be a good player for but it will come down to whether he will chase money or want to stay. Garlsnd is small and slow. He is not a top six winger. He is decent against guys who aren’t top players. There are reasons why he isn’t in the PP or PK. And one of the biggest is he struggles against top players. Snd top players PP and PK. He’s getting traded to clear his cap. There will be a bottom feeder team (Seattle is my guess) who will want Garland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, flat land fish said: I guess it depends what else you can acquire to support the Petey line. Garland as a 3rd line play driver was a secret weapon atleast in the regular season. I'm fine with Hogz Petey Garland This is a process.........you build it, try it, then tweak in the off season after you get knocked out........rinse and repeat until you find the right formula and everything goes right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: DJ can be a good player for but it will come down to whether he will chase money or want to stay. Garlsnd is small and slow. He is not a top six winger. He is decent against guys who aren’t top players. There are reasons why he isn’t in the PP or PK. And one of the biggest is he struggles against top players. Snd top players PP and PK. He’s getting traded to clear his cap. There will be a bottom feeder team (Seattle is my guess) who will want Garland. You literally couldn't be more wrong. this is insane. And as a result of besing hard af on pucks 5V5 he's our 3rd best producing player. You need to put more respect on Garland Alf. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Hammertime said: You literally couldn't be more wrong. this is insane. And as a result of besing hard af on pucks 5V5 he's our 3rd best producing player. You need to put more respect on Garland Alf. Garland had a good year. But he plays against the lower in the lineup guys. He’s not a top six player in a good club. Hopefully we can clear his cap this summer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: Garland had a good year. But he plays against the lower in the lineup guys. He’s not a top six player in a good club. Hopefully we can clear his cap this summer. Agreed. Garland brings value at 5 on 5 but that is the only value he brings, no pk , no pp. At 4.95 mil he needs to provide more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) 21 hours ago, JeremyCuddles said: Our 3rd line was better than our 2nd line. 3mil for Joshua isn't even that bad. Given other 3rd liners are making more. I'd rather let Myers and Zads walk and target a top 6 winger with their cap. That was my question at the start of this, would they still want DJ to be a third liner or would they elevate him? If they still want him to be a third liner then they need to move on (unless $3M is actually on the table but I expect it is closer to $4M). He will be missed, had a great season and provided a bunch of great memories. Edited June 1 by NoCupSyndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 1 Author Share Posted June 1 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Alflives said: Garland had a good year. But he plays against the lower in the lineup guys. He’s not a top six player in a good club. Hopefully we can clear his cap this summer. Who gives a shit who he plays against? You completely miss the point. I realize you have bias and aren’t fond of smaller players, but the game is played as a team and you have to incorporate encompassing statistics as to how they lead to team success. You’re not doing that and appear to be reluctant to do so and it’s too bad you keep spouting off on nonsensical factors that isolate a player in contrast to their overall contribution to the club. Without stats like @Hammertime just provided on Garland, you don’t have as many offensive chances, you have deficiencies in defensive play in any zone and you minimize your control or possession of the play. You really should start to ditch the crap semantic arguments and realize where and who value comes from and that for a team to have real success you have to have players that provide great possession numbers, improve their linemates ability to perform and can be counted on routinely for a solid effort. He gives all of that. He’s been consistently one of the better players all season. “Garland had a good year”. No, the team had a great year in large part to players like Garland. wake up. Edited June 1 by RWJC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, fuzzy said: Agreed. Garland brings value at 5 on 5 but that is the only value he brings, no pk , no pp. At 4.95 mil he needs to provide more. You mean where 80% of the game is play'd Would much rather have a guy who is great 5v5 for 5m than a guy who is a PP specialist for 5m. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCupSyndrome Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 I definitely want to see mgmt focus on improving the defense first and foremost. They are good down the center - sign Blueger of they can. Wingers are the easiest to acquire and/or find value later in free agency...not the same story with centers and D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman955 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Bruce Garrioch of Ottawa, stated Ottawa could be in the DJ sweepstakes at 3x3. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 10 minutes ago, Hammertime said: You mean where 80% of the game is play'd Would much rather have a guy who is great 5v5 for 5m than a guy who is a PP specialist for 5m. Im not so sure about that. Considering one could argue the reason we didn't advance was due to a mediocre pk and non existent pp. We need players that can contribute in more than one aspect of the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 1 Author Share Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, fuzzy said: Im not so sure about that. Considering one could argue the reason we didn't advance was due to a mediocre pk and non existent pp. We need players that can contribute in more than one aspect of the game. True, but everyone has their roles. You never see Brock on the PK. Hronek was sometimes scrapped on the PP for an extra F. And those are two of our most important players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, fuzzy said: Im not so sure about that. Considering one could argue the reason we didn't advance was due to a mediocre pk and non existent pp. We need players that can contribute in more than one aspect of the game. Garland wasn't the reason we lost. Give your head a shake. He's actually the only fwd who scored game 7 and actually showed up. Maybe if Pete hadn't shat the bed or if Mik was actually a 4.7m winger. Garland was part of the solution not the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 minute ago, RWJC said: True, but everyone has their roles. You never see Brock on the PK. Hronek was sometimes scrapped on the PP for an extra F. And those are two of our most important players True, but Boeser did provide value on the pp and Hronek did pk. Garland does neither. If he was making 2.9mil that's a different story but alas he's not. If we're looking at improving our team then Garland's cap allocation is a good place to start imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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