Rusty Shackleford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, tas said: yes. My question is, why does it seem no one is scared it could be an anchor contract? Again, serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. Imo, no. There's too many things coming up in the next 3 years that signing JG to a massive, long term deal will complicate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. Hells fucking yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, Rusty Shackleford said: My question is, why does it seem no one is scared it could be an anchor contract? Again, serious question. Probably expecting a few good years (4-5) before he tails off like Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Canuck Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. Yes 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 On 6/15/2024 at 1:37 PM, bh90 said: Vintage If money Is #1 get rid of them When you make millions it's easy to double triple your money through investments and such. smart players would care more about structure of contract .... cash is worth more today than tomorrow. Canucks have deep pockets so structure the deal to front load the contract up front so player is given options to invest their money today rather than in 4 years. The potential ROI on 4 million bucks over 4 years is significant A 7 year deal at 9 million per year is nice but a 7 year x 8 million with actual salary being 12-14 million per season in year 1 and 2 can have more value after 7 years With the escrow gone now the structure isn't as important. While the escrow was still there only salary was subject to the escrow, not bonuses, so the stars demanded bonus heavy contracts and just like in real life, the poorest of the players paid off the escrow for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Grandmaster said: 9.5 range is nothing new. That’s his market value. Given Petey doesn’t have a legit top 6 winger, this is the highest need. 12 minutes ago, tas said: allvin wouldn't do it if it kneecaps the team going forward. he's got his eye on the prize. $9.5M would be crippling. I'll throw up a spreadsheet later. If we go after Guentzel, we gotta go grab his rights and offer him an 8 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: My question is, why does it seem no one is scared it could be an anchor contract? Again, serious question. because a) that's inherent to any big name free agent signing, b) they already have miller at the same age locked in for the same term anyway, and c) by the time the contract is up the cap will be at $105-110m. Edited June 18 by tas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 With Guentzel on his wing, could Petey hit 110 points? or more? If they get their man (Guentzel), I expect the PP to be much improved next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. No. I'd target two wingers instead, both with the initials TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijjibo Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: $9.5M would be crippling. I'll throw up a spreadsheet later. If we go after Guentzel, we gotta go grab his rights and offer him an 8 year deal. The only way to sign him to an 8 year contract is a sign and trade where Carolina signs him. Just getting his rights doesn't allow Vancouver to sign him to the 8th year Edited June 18 by qwijjibo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Nucker67 said: With Guentzel on his wing, could Petey hit 110 points? or more? If they get their man (Guentzel), I expect the PP to be much improved next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: My question is, why does it seem no one is scared it could be an anchor contract? Again, serious question. I think we’re all in denial on that lol honestly, I love Guentzel and want him but try to avoid considering that i know it’s stupid but, hey 4-5 years and chances at cups come at a cost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, HKSR said: $9.5M would be crippling. I'll throw up a spreadsheet later. If we go after Guentzel, we gotta go grab his rights and offer him an 8 year deal. I don't mean this in a confrontational way at all, and I'm sure your spreadsheet is illuminating, but I wouldn't bother on my account. allvin has access to all the same info we do (plus boatloads that we don't), has made all the same considerations, and is thinking further down the line than we are. if, with all that considered, allvin still pulls the trigger, I trust his judgment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 18 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. He'll be worth it for the first half and less no the second half. Same as JT. But we're going for it, so giddy up 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 minutes ago, tas said: I don't mean this in a confrontational way at all, and I'm sure your spreadsheet is illuminating, but I wouldn't bother on my account. allvin has access to all the same info we do (plus boatloads that we don't), has made all the same considerations, and is thinking further down the line than we are. if, with all that considered, allvin still pulls the trigger, I trust his judgment. Locking in the top talent should be priority I guess. We'll have to cut costs elsewhere. Mikheyev would absolutely need to be moved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Locking in the top talent should be priority I guess. We'll have to cut costs elsewhere. Mikheyev would absolutely need to be moved. oh no doubt. the nice thing about this group is they seem to know when to cut bait and move on, they're proactive and decisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 I guess when you look at it, we would be a powerhouse if the pairings in the top 6 are: Miller-Boeser Petey-Guentzel Then Hoglander and Lekkerimaki develop into the top 6 wingers for cheap... Guentzel-Pettersson-Lekkerimaki Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Podkolzin-Blueger-Garland 4th-Line-Guys 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: My question is, why does it seem no one is scared it could be an anchor contract? Again, serious question. Some folks are, I don't want him. I didn't want him at the deadline either. I'd rather spend the cap/money it'd take to reel him in on a couple players instead. He's a top end talent, no doubt, but I dunno. I'd rather grab a couple good, but not great, players than go after Guentzel. One of th things I took from this past playoff run is we'd have been better served having better forward depth in our top six. I'd rather grab a good top six player and either a third liner or a middle six tweener, not all tweeners are as hopeless as Mikheyev was, we did quite well with Higgins for example. Edited June 18 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: Is a 30 y/o Guentzal worth a large contract? Serious question as I haven't watched him play much. If you wanna try and win the cup in the next 4-5 years then yes. He’s an elite goal scorer that we could have desperately used this playoffs. If we can have Miller, Petey, Boeser, Guenztel all scoring 35-40 goals that takes our offense to a whole other level. Edited June 18 by DeNiro 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, HKSR said: I guess when you look at it, we would be a powerhouse if the pairings in the top 6 are: Miller-Boeser Petey-Guentzel Then Hoglander and Lekkerimaki develop into the top 6 wingers for cheap... Guentzel-Pettersson-Lekkerimaki Hoglander-Miller-Boeser Podkolzin-Blueger-Garland 4th-Line-Guys Looks like Toronto to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, chris12345 said: Looks like Toronto to me. Except we have a goalie and defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris12345 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, DeNiro said: Except we have a goalie and defense. Haha true. Goalie for sure but we might not have a defence. At least it is not a gurantee right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, Coconuts said: Some folks are, I don't want him. I didn't want him at the deadline either. I'd rather spend the cap/money it'd take to reel him in on a couple players instead. He's a top end talent, no doubt, but I dunno. I'd rather grab a couple good, but not great, players than go after Guentzel. One of th things I took from this past playoff run is we'd have been better served having better forward depth in our top six. I see it both ways... on the one hand, we do have a couple young forwards coming up that could potentially be true top 6 guys in the near future in Hoglander and Lekkerimaki. If they come in for relatively cheap over the next 3 to 5 years, then we are set up front with Guentzel in the mix. On the other hand, signing a couple $5M guys could payoff handsomely especially if they play at or above their cap hit. Only thing I worry about is we had a couple of those guys this past year in Mikheyev and Garland. ... ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker67 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Just now, chris12345 said: Looks like Toronto to me. Miller, Boeser, Guentzel, Pettersson >>> Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares Hughes >>> all of TOR's D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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