Rusty Shackleford Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Great discussion, everyone. Appreciate all of your insights! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaribouCanuck Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Except we have a goalie and defense. That and I feel like Toronto's big 4 forwards are a lot more one dimensional than ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bh90 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, DrJockitch said: With the escrow gone now the structure isn't as important. While the escrow was still there only salary was subject to the escrow, not bonuses, so the stars demanded bonus heavy contracts and just like in real life, the poorest of the players paid off the escrow for them. escrow or no escrow, cash is still worth more today than a year from now so front loading a contract either via salary or bonus still holds a signficant amount of value for a savy money manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornMello Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 47 minutes ago, stawns said: Most of those players aren't declining assets on the back nine of their careers though. 1 hour ago, HKSR said: They also pay top dollar for top talent then try and find the bargain guys for depth... Florida: Barkov - $10M. - 28 years Tkachuk - $9.5M. - 26 years Bob - $10M. - 35 years Ekblad - $7.5M. - 28 years Reinhart - 9.5?M. - 28 years 1 hour ago, HKSR said: VGK: Eichel - $10M. - 27 years Stone - $9.5M. - 32 years Pietrangelo - $8.8M. - 34 years Hanifin - $7.35M - 27 years TBL: Kucherov - $9.5M. - 31 years Point - $9.5M. - 28 years Vasi - $9.5M. - 29 years Sergachev - $8.5M. - 25 years Hedman - $7.875M. - 33 years COL: Mackinnon - $12.6M. - 28 years Rantanen - $9.25M. - 27 years Makar - $9M. - 25 years Toews - $7.25M. - 30 years Landeskog - $7M. - 31 years Rangers: Panarin - $11.6M. - 32 years Fox - $9.5M. - 26 years Zibanejad - $8.5M. - 31 years Trouba - $8M. - 30 years Shsterkin - $10M. - 28 years Bottomline is we can't shy from paying top dollar top talent. We need that to win. Petey - $11.6M. - 25 years Miller - $8M. - 31 years Hughes - $7.85M. - 24 years old Boeser - $6.65M. - 27 years Guentzel - 8.7M?? - 29 years After looking at the ages all laid out you can see that this simply just isn’t true. We’re actually one of the youngest and least “backside of their careers” 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 24 minutes ago, BornMello said: After looking at the ages all laid out you can see that this simply just isn’t true. We’re actually one of the youngest and least “backside of their careers” Thanks, I was gonna do the analysis later this afternoon. You saved me some work lol. Get used to general statements by him that he touts as truth, then when facts are thrown at him, he will move the goal posts and divert the topic elsewhere to 'win' the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 31 minutes ago, BornMello said: After looking at the ages all laid out you can see that this simply just isn’t true. We’re actually one of the youngest and least “backside of their careers” Nicely laid out. The reality is to get players to go for a run you have to pay them past their prime years. True for everyone. JG fits in 2 years younger than JTM. Z is in the same mold and still improving. To me when you sign EP and JTM to 20M you are committed to going for it and we need more talent on the wing to not waste years of QH and Demko’s bargain contracts. We are in a position where we need to be aggressive and we have a very aggressive management group. Just can hope they do it more competently than all their predecessors and competitors have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, BornMello said: After looking at the ages all laid out you can see that this simply just isn’t true. We’re actually one of the youngest and least “backside of their careers” I didn't mean the Canucks as they are, I meant adding guentzal for 7 years at $9ishm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Feels like the Canucks are front runners, I hope they get it done. 9-9.5M x 7 years. Canucks will be a true contender for the forseeable future. Lets go Ruthervin! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doogie Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I think we get Guentzel for 8.3 x 8. It’ll be a sign and trade and that extra year from 7 to 8 brings down the AAV to 8.3. The total for 9.5 x 7 and 8.3 x 8 = 66.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sika21 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 There’s better options out there to spend cap money on this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeNiro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, Sika21 said: There’s better options out there to spend cap money on this summer. That solves our desperate need for a legit top 6? Not really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, Sika21 said: There’s better options out there to spend cap money on this summer. Who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Who? PaTrIcK kAnE!!! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, Sika21 said: There’s better options out there to spend cap money on this summer. No there's not. Cheaper? Sure. Better? Nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 hours ago, Sika21 said: There’s better options out there to spend cap money on this summer. There hasn’t been a better option that matches our core perfectly in maybe a decade. i would’ve liked to keep Lindholm, as I became a huge fan of his, but there’s no denying that Jake Guentzel is the perfect fit for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 9 hours ago, Jaimito said: What about Sundin? Nah... only for one year. Edited June 19 by spook007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 13 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: Feels like the Canucks are front runners, I hope they get it done. 9-9.5M x 7 years. Canucks will be a true contender for the forseeable future. Lets go Ruthervin! a sign and trade would be cool to get that AAV down. I wonder what Carolina would demand to make that happen? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 7 minutes ago, Bob Long said: a sign and trade would be cool to get that AAV down. I wonder what Carolina would demand to make that happen? I keep saying 3 way trade with bruins they get Lindy’s rights we get JG rights and Carolina gets a 4/5th from bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Just now, Captain insano said: I keep saying 3 way trade with bruins they get Lindy’s rights we get JG rights and Carolina gets a 4/5th from bruins thats a good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 24 minutes ago, Bob Long said: thats a good idea If not we should give Lindy away for free to another team that needs him in hope Boston misses out signing him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sika21 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: That solves our desperate need for a legit top 6? Not really. 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Who? 1 hour ago, aGENT said: No there's not. Cheaper? Sure. Better? Nope. Better? Definitely not. I’d rather split that money up in the likes of Toffoli/Monahan or the likes of that than put it all on JG. Guentzel is gonna get a haul. Boeser is due for a raise next year. OEL’s buyout is gonna spike soon. Wait to see who the buyouts are, and who’s remaining July 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 14 minutes ago, Sika21 said: Better? Definitely not. I’d rather split that money up in the likes of Toffoli/Monahan or the likes of that than put it all on JG. Guentzel is gonna get a haul. Boeser is due for a raise next year. OEL’s buyout is gonna spike soon. Wait to see who the buyouts are, and who’s remaining July 2. You’re just kicking the can down the road with signings like that. Those two don’t solve our needs. We need a legit top 6 forward. Toffoli would be okay on a cheaper deal, but we’d still need another top 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Sika21 said: Better? Definitely not. I’d rather split that money up in the likes of Toffoli/Monahan or the likes of that than put it all on JG. Guentzel is gonna get a haul. Boeser is due for a raise next year. OEL’s buyout is gonna spike soon. Wait to see who the buyouts are, and who’s remaining July 2. Here’s the thing. What does it cost a team to acquire by trade a bonafide high end player like Guentzel? Do you realize what the cost would be and what that might do to our depth? When a player like that comes up in Free Agency, and you stand a chance to legitimately pursue him, you do. You find ways to accommodate elite talent. No one we currently have can come close to filling Guentzel’s skates in the short term with respect to what he can provide EP as a W and what he can also do for our PP. These stop gap players people mention are not the correct solution. Sure they are more affordable, but the Toffoli’s and Monahan’s are more in line with what our current in house talent can aspire to (eg. Hogz) over the term of what we would be giving a TT or SM to sign them as UFA. Besides, we will need the requisite roster space and placement within it over that term to introduce players like Lek. Our current up and coming talent can’t come close to a JG level output or performance, not in the short term. This is why when a compatible and desirable FA becomes available you find ways to secure them and in this case we have an ideal scenario to try to capitalize on with a player as close as you get to being turn key within a roster, a coaching team and a mgmt group who know him inside out. Edited June 19 by RWJC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Yuk. Heard on the radio that JG could get $9-10M on the open market. That’s too rich for my taste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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