US Politics Thread

[RupertKBD]

36 minutes ago, DSVII said:

 

The poster is right to feel a little pessimistic. Not necessarily on the Harris messaging imo but with the math. With the EC, Harris has a 70% chance to win tbe popular vote but only about 50% to win the election.

 

With the way the map is set up. Trump only needs Georgia and Pennsylvania in top of the states he kept in 2020. 

 

Biden won Georgia by 10,000 votes and Pennsylvania he led by what 2-4%? 

 

It's going to come down to ~50,000 people based on their zip codes. It remains to be seen what the RFK effect will be.

 

Now if Harris takes North Carolina. Things get interesting.

 

It's almost guaranteed Trump is going to declare victory before the ballets are fully counted.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-election-lies-2669219501/

 

 

I don't deny that the EC system is fraught with danger for the Harris - Walz ticket, but it just seems like every bit of positive news is met with the "it won't matter" response. We get it. We're concerned as well, but I just don't think that sort of angst is helpful. We're mostly Canadians ITT, but if enough Americans see this sort of rhetoric, how long before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and potential Democrat voters decide not to bother?

 

What really bugs me is how Kamala is being held to a far higher standard than Trump....both ITT and in the general public discourse. She's criticized for not outlining grand plans for fixing the economy and the border, while her opponent talks about sweeping tariffs and "drill baby drill" as a panacea for economic woes and mass deportations (which would almost certainly come up against multiple legal challenges) as the solution for Immigration issues. Not only that, but to hear the immigration problem discussed, it's as if Trump didn't kill the bipartisan border deal, the way everyone seems to gloss over that fact....

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:43 PM by RupertKBD

[Bob Long]

8 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

I don't deny that the EC system is fraught with danger for the Harris - Walz ticket, but it just seems like every bit of positive news is met with the "it won't matter" response. We get it. We're concerned as well, but I just don't think that sort of angst is helpful. We're mostly Canadians ITT, but if enough Americans see this sort of rhetoric, how long before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and potential Democrat voters decide not to bother?

 

What really bugs me is how Kamala is being held to a far higher standard that Trump....both ITT and in the general public discourse. She's criticized for not outlining grand plans for fixing the economy and the border, while her opponent talks about sweeping tariffs and "drill baby drill" as a panacea for economic woes and mass deportations (which would almost certainly come up against multiple legal challenges) as the solution for Immigration issues. Not only that, but to hear the immigration problem discussed, it's as if Trump didn't kill the bipartisan border deal, the way everyone seems to gloss over that fact....

 

 

 

 

 

For some reason our cultures like to give labels credit for things. Call yourself conservative, and you automatically get the benefit of the doubt about financial management, no matter what the real record is. 

 

We all know this, but still continue to vote it into reality.

 

[DSVII]

59 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

I don't deny that the EC system is fraught with danger for the Harris - Walz ticket, but it just seems like every bit of positive news is met with the "it won't matter" response. We get it. We're concerned as well, but I just don't think that sort of angst is helpful. We're mostly Canadians ITT, but if enough Americans see this sort of rhetoric, how long before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and potential Democrat voters decide not to bother?

 

What really bugs me is how Kamala is being held to a far higher standard than Trump....both ITT and in the general public discourse. She's criticized for not outlining grand plans for fixing the economy and the border, while her opponent talks about sweeping tariffs and "drill baby drill" as a panacea for economic woes and mass deportations (which would almost certainly come up against multiple legal challenges) as the solution for Immigration issues. Not only that, but to hear the immigration problem discussed, it's as if Trump didn't kill the bipartisan border deal, the way everyone seems to gloss over that fact....

 

 

 

 

 

This is a result of decades of Fox News and OAN and their ilk pushing the narrative further to the right and normalizing the demonization of the left. I have relatives who personally when we have a discussion, refuse to name one good thing about Obama (she claimed Obama took away Women's rights).  They are also very effective in innoculating their watchers from digesting conflicting information or just avoiding it altogether (as we can see ITT)

 

We can go on about the systematic reasons, but the Republicans, and anyone wearing the skin of a Conservative has enjoyed billions of dollars in favorable, accountability-free press coverage, and Fox has a pretty good presentation format that other networks are unfortunately copying because of the profit incentive. 

Edited yesterday at 04:24 PM by DSVII

[Satchmo]

Donald Trump claims B.C.’s ‘very large faucet’ could help California’s water woes

 

“So you have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps in Canada and all pouring down,” Trump said at a press conference at his Los Angeles golf course.

“And they have essentially a very large faucet. And you turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it. It’s massive.”

Trump told reporters that “all of that water goes aimlessly into the Pacific.”

“And if they turned it back, all of that water would come right down here and right into Los Angeles,” he added.

 

Werner Antweiler with the University of British Columbia Sauder School of Business said Trump’s idea is actually not a new one.

“The idea seems to be in the heads of people that Canada has all this wonderful water,” he said.

“Can we not just get it down to where we need it, where we have drought conditions, as in California? But of course, the business logic is that it’s all way too expensive to do so, and there’s just no realistic business model for that.”

 

Trump said that if B.C. would turn the faucet then “farmers would have all the water they needed.”

Antweiler said it’s best to take comments like this one with a grain of salt.

“I’m sure Mr. Trump has never studied hydrology or the economics of water management and the actual, the needs of California, because what California needs is mostly local water,” he said.

“They need to actually manage their own water much better. They actually have water, but they’re mismanaging it for a number of reasons.”

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10760647/donald-trump-bc-very-large-faucet-california-water-woes/

[RupertKBD]

34 minutes ago, DSVII said:

 

This is a result of decades of Fox News and OAN and their ilk pushing the narrative further to the right and normalizing the demonization of the left. I have relatives who personally when we have a discussion, refuse to name one good thing about Obama (she claimed Obama took away Women's rights).  They are also very effective in innoculating their watchers from digesting conflicting information or just avoiding it altogether (as we can see ITT)

 

We can go on about the systematic reasons, but the Republicans, and anyone wearing the skin of a Conservative has enjoyed billions of dollars in favorable, accountability-free press coverage, and Fox has a pretty good presentation format that other networks are unfortunately copying because of the profit incentive. 

 

Speaking of Faux News, I wonder how many people are aware of the "Succession-esque" power struggle happening in Foxland right now.....

 

A while back, Rupert Murdoch signed a deal that gave control of he media company to his 4 eldest children equally, when he dies. The problem for him is that of his children, only the current protege, Lachlan, shares his views on what the network's news division should look like.

 

Other son James, would like to move Fox more to the center and cease being a cheerleader for Trump and other conservative causes. It seems as though sisters Elisabeth and Prudence agree....

 

So the patriarch of the family is currently in a Reno, Nevada court, trying to have that deal "altered", so that Lachlan would have full control of the company once he's gone:

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/how-murdoch-succession-battle-could-play-out-1236001244/

[RupertKBD]

5 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Donald Trump claims B.C.’s ‘very large faucet’ could help California’s water woes

 

“So you have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps in Canada and all pouring down,” Trump said at a press conference at his Los Angeles golf course.

“And they have essentially a very large faucet. And you turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it. It’s massive.”

Trump told reporters that “all of that water goes aimlessly into the Pacific.”

“And if they turned it back, all of that water would come right down here and right into Los Angeles,” he added.

 

Werner Antweiler with the University of British Columbia Sauder School of Business said Trump’s idea is actually not a new one.

“The idea seems to be in the heads of people that Canada has all this wonderful water,” he said.

“Can we not just get it down to where we need it, where we have drought conditions, as in California? But of course, the business logic is that it’s all way too expensive to do so, and there’s just no realistic business model for that.”

 

Trump said that if B.C. would turn the faucet then “farmers would have all the water they needed.”

Antweiler said it’s best to take comments like this one with a grain of salt.

“I’m sure Mr. Trump has never studied hydrology or the economics of water management and the actual, the needs of California, because what California needs is mostly local water,” he said.

“They need to actually manage their own water much better. They actually have water, but they’re mismanaging it for a number of reasons.”

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10760647/donald-trump-bc-very-large-faucet-california-water-woes/

 

Donald Trump, completely misunderstanding a scientific principle?

 

You don't say....

[Gurn]

If Drumpf wins- he is coming for our water- and is unlikely to pay us for it.

54-40. Manifest destiny and all that other crap.

[RupertKBD]

Looks like the Trump campaign is going to keep going back to the "sympathy" well:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/police-say-there-is-no-credibility-to-report-of-explosives-near-trump-s-new-york-rally/ar-AA1qMHaJ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e7dcde6469bd4d7797d0f93899df38bb&ei=34

 

Quote

 

The is "no credibility" to reports that explosives were found near the site of former President Donald Trump's Long Island rally, New York police told Raw Story on Wednesday.

The claim that of explosives found in a car parked near Trump's Uniondale venue — picked up by the Daily Mail Wednesday morning — appears originate with an X post from former investigative reporter James Lalino, who cited anonymous sources within the Nassau County Police Department.

 

"Sources in the Nassau County Police Department just told me that 'the perimeter was breached and a blue barrel was removed' from the area surrounding tonight's Trump rally site," Lalino wrote. "Source said 'During K9, doing their checks, they found an explosive device in one of the vehicles and that driver ended up running into the woods.'"

A source told Fox News correspondent Jen Johnson that there was no explosives or suspect on the run, just a K-9 training in a local park by a private security company.

Nassau police told Newsweek that there was suspicious activity reported nearby — but no explosive device was found.

"There was no validity of an explosive device being found," a public information officer reportedly said. We're unsure where this information originated, but we can confirm that no explosives were discovered."

 

 

Of course we all know, this won't stop Trump and his supporters from claiming that it was another assassination attempt....

[Bob Long]

12 minutes ago, Gurn said:

If Drumpf wins- he is coming for our water- and is unlikely to pay us for it.

54-40. Manifest destiny and all that other crap.

 

PP will be happy to grab ankles and let trump do what he wants.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

37 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Donald Trump claims B.C.’s ‘very large faucet’ could help California’s water woes

 

“So you have millions of gallons of water pouring down from the north with the snow caps in Canada and all pouring down,” Trump said at a press conference at his Los Angeles golf course.

“And they have essentially a very large faucet. And you turn the faucet and it takes one day to turn it. It’s massive.”

Trump told reporters that “all of that water goes aimlessly into the Pacific.”

“And if they turned it back, all of that water would come right down here and right into Los Angeles,” he added.

 

Werner Antweiler with the University of British Columbia Sauder School of Business said Trump’s idea is actually not a new one.

“The idea seems to be in the heads of people that Canada has all this wonderful water,” he said.

“Can we not just get it down to where we need it, where we have drought conditions, as in California? But of course, the business logic is that it’s all way too expensive to do so, and there’s just no realistic business model for that.”

 

Trump said that if B.C. would turn the faucet then “farmers would have all the water they needed.”

Antweiler said it’s best to take comments like this one with a grain of salt.

“I’m sure Mr. Trump has never studied hydrology or the economics of water management and the actual, the needs of California, because what California needs is mostly local water,” he said.

“They need to actually manage their own water much better. They actually have water, but they’re mismanaging it for a number of reasons.”

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/10760647/donald-trump-bc-very-large-faucet-california-water-woes/

Looks like BC needs some of that freedom we keep hearing about. Forget about our own droughts and water restrictions 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

35 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Donald Trump, completely misunderstanding a scientific principle?

 

You don't say....

 

31 minutes ago, Gurn said:

If Drumpf wins- he is coming for our water- and is unlikely to pay us for it.

54-40. Manifest destiny and all that other crap.

 

18 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

PP will be happy to grab ankles and let trump do what he wants.

 

 

And the sad part is, Trump is the kind of person who would want to have all the glaciers and snowpacks from the Rockies and Coastal Mountains melted at once to feed the immediate need, without giving any thought to the impacts (primarily lack of sustained flow) afterwards - and not only would PP accommodate such a Trump request, he'd also blame the resulting lack of sustainable water supply afterwards on Trudeau's "years of mismanagement". 

[DSVII]

14 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

 

 

And the sad part is, Trump is the kind of person who would want to have all the glaciers and snowpacks from the Rockies and Coastal Mountains melted at once to feed the immediate need, without giving any thought to the impacts (primarily lack of sustained flow) afterwards - and not only would PP accommodate such a Trump request, he'd also blame the resulting lack of sustainable water supply afterwards on Trudeau's "years of mismanagement". 

 

The whole 'Gillis left Benning with nothing!' argument, but with things that are infinitely more important than hockey. 

[the destroyer of worlds]

Vance:  Seeeeeee!!!  PROOF!!!  Look at this police report.

 

Journalist calls lady who filed report about her missing cat that she claims was stolen and eaten.

 

Lady:  Um, ya.  I found my cat alive and well in the basement of my house.  Ooopps, my bad.  

 

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/jd-vance-offers-proof-of-pet-eating-but-its-proven-false-with-1-phone-call.html

J.D. Vance offers ‘proof’ of pet-eating, but it’s proven false with 1 phone call

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Vance:  Seeeeeee!!!  PROOF!!!  Look at this police report.

 

Journalist calls lady who filed report about her missing cat that she claims was stolen and eaten.

 

Lady:  Um, ya.  I found my cat alive and well in the basement of my house.  Ooopps, my bad.  

 

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/jd-vance-offers-proof-of-pet-eating-but-its-proven-false-with-1-phone-call.html

J.D. Vance offers ‘proof’ of pet-eating, but it’s proven false with 1 phone call

 

Would've been funnier if she found it on the couch... 

[bolt]

18 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Seeeeeee PROOF!!!

 

Kamala Harris gets the ultimate fact check by Active combat American solidiers

Edited yesterday at 06:28 PM by bolt

[nuckin_futz]

 

[24K]

6 minutes ago, bolt said:

 

Kamala Harris gets the ultimate fact check by Active combat American solidiers

So they are either idiots exposing themselves in an undercover op or have no clue what active combat means. Getting assigned to a post in the alps in Italy ain't active combat. (I don't know where they are as they never indicated themselves but look to have Puerto Rico flags so in a US territory?)

[RupertKBD]

22 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Vance:  Seeeeeee!!!  PROOF!!!  Look at this police report.

 

Journalist calls lady who filed report about her missing cat that she claims was stolen and eaten.

 

Lady:  Um, ya.  I found my cat alive and well in the basement of my house.  Ooopps, my bad.  

 

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/jd-vance-offers-proof-of-pet-eating-but-its-proven-false-with-1-phone-call.html

J.D. Vance offers ‘proof’ of pet-eating, but it’s proven false with 1 phone call

 

"Kilgore, wearing a Trump shirt and hat, said she apologized to her Haitian neighbors".....

 

@kilgore would you care to explain?

[bolt]

5 minutes ago, 24K said:

So they are either idiots exposing themselves in an undercover op or have no clue what active combat means. Getting assigned to a post in the alps in Italy ain't active combat. (I don't know where they are as they never indicated themselves but look to have Puerto Rico flags so in a US territory?)

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-says-three-us-service-members-killed-drone-attack-us-forces-jordan-2024-01-28/

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/breaking-news/2024/08/31/15-isis-militants-killed-7-us-troops-injured-during-iraq-raid/

 

Do you believe Kamala is telling 100% truth all of the time?  This was a clear lie. 

 

I must have forgot only Trump and PP lie.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:40 PM by bolt

[24K]

2 hours ago, DSVII said:

 

This is a result of decades of Fox News and OAN and their ilk pushing the narrative further to the right and normalizing the demonization of the left. I have relatives who personally when we have a discussion, refuse to name one good thing about Obama (she claimed Obama took away Women's rights).  They are also very effective in innoculating their watchers from digesting conflicting information or just avoiding it altogether (as we can see ITT)

 

We can go on about the systematic reasons, but the Republicans, and anyone wearing the skin of a Conservative has enjoyed billions of dollars in favorable, accountability-free press coverage, and Fox has a pretty good presentation format that other networks are unfortunately copying because of the profit incentive. 

It is also because Democrats themselves are either inherently center right or scared to run to the left counter balancing GOP rightward jerk at every turn. 

 

The GOP goes further right and the dems just chase them down toward the right trying to either not offend Republicans or chase their new imaginary center rather than pulling further to the left and counter balance the GOP thus maintaining a true center.

 

Decades of this have let the American center to be so far right of every other country. The far right in Italy or France is pretty much the moderate wing of the Democrats.

 

Case in point, you don't even hear Harris or the dems talk about how immigrants build the country anymore.

 

[24K]

2 minutes ago, bolt said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-says-three-us-service-members-killed-drone-attack-us-forces-jordan-2024-01-28/

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/breaking-news/2024/08/31/15-isis-militants-killed-7-us-troops-injured-during-iraq-raid/

 

Do you believe Kamala is telling 100% truth all of the time?  This was a clear lie.

 

 

Lol no, every politician stretch the truth. 

 

You are not in an active combat zone unless you are in a nation actively at war. Getting targeted by drones from terrorist groups at a base is not active combat as US don't have combat operations there. 

[Chickenspear]

12 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

20x I watched that.

[Elias Pettersson]

TEAMSTERS RELEASE PRESIDENTIAL ENDORSEMENT POLLING DATA

“For the past year, the Teamsters Union has pledged to conduct the most inclusive, democratic, and transparent Presidential endorsement process in the history of our 121-year-old organization—and today we are delivering on that promise to our members,” said Teamsters General President Sean M. O’Brien. “Our members are the union, and their voices and opinions must be at the forefront of everything the Teamsters do. Our final decision around a possible Presidential endorsement will not be made lightly, but you can be sure it will be driven directly by our diverse membership.”

The Teamsters have not yet endorsed any candidate for U.S. President. The union’s General Executive Board expects to announce a decision on Wednesday.

[24K]

3 hours ago, RupertKBD said:

 

I don't deny that the EC system is fraught with danger for the Harris - Walz ticket, but it just seems like every bit of positive news is met with the "it won't matter" response. We get it. We're concerned as well, but I just don't think that sort of angst is helpful. We're mostly Canadians ITT, but if enough Americans see this sort of rhetoric, how long before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, and potential Democrat voters decide not to bother?

 

What really bugs me is how Kamala is being held to a far higher standard than Trump....both ITT and in the general public discourse. She's criticized for not outlining grand plans for fixing the economy and the border, while her opponent talks about sweeping tariffs and "drill baby drill" as a panacea for economic woes and mass deportations (which would almost certainly come up against multiple legal challenges) as the solution for Immigration issues. Not only that, but to hear the immigration problem discussed, it's as if Trump didn't kill the bipartisan border deal, the way everyone seems to gloss over that fact....

 

 

 

 

The issue for Harris is people despise Biden due to inflation even though it really ain't his fault. 

 

Because the incumbancy is no longer an advantage, she needs to run as far away from Biden as possible. To do that she need grand plans that distinguish herself from Biden. Her piecemeal plans build the narrative that she is just Biden and the electorate hates the status quo right now. 

[DSVII]

11 minutes ago, bolt said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-says-three-us-service-members-killed-drone-attack-us-forces-jordan-2024-01-28/

 

https://www.militarytimes.com/breaking-news/2024/08/31/15-isis-militants-killed-7-us-troops-injured-during-iraq-raid/

 

Do you believe Kamala is telling 100% truth all of the time?  This was a clear lie.

 

 

 

 

What is the more egregious / disqualifying anecdote when it comes to the candidates and the military?

 

The guy who mocked the US military his whole life? Calling dead soldiers losers and suckers? Who asked his own Chief of Staff who lost a son to war, "I don't get it, what's in it for them?" and asked the same chief of staff who the good guys were in World War 1?

 

JD Vance discrediting Tim Walz' service and by extension thousands more veterans, as stolen valor despite decades of service. 

 

Or Harris, who is caught on a technicality here? 

 

 

That's also a good question. Where are they?

 

The soldiers needs more context on where they are deployed and their role in that deployment. Judging by the flags in the background, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Columbia? Is that an active war zone?  The US does have commitments around the world as peacekeepers that are next to conflict zones. Think she is referring to the massive combat zone they maintained in Afghanistan.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:51 PM by DSVII