US Politics Thread

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe any system is only as good as the people? And right now the US system is a sad reflection if they’re voters? 

 

That's something worth thinking about for sure. Even if someone's position is apathy.

[Calamity K]

2 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

 

Why did he capitalize 'complete' and 'total'?

 

 

Do you honestly believe that? Why do you think that is the case? How would Trump be any sort of deterrent for Putin?

Yes, because they got along which means each of them would be hoping to better the other diplomatically. When a blow hard donkey arrives, a wtf attitude results. In other words, the USA hates us anyway so no point wasting time with diplomacy. Putin invades Ukraine (why not?) and is forming alliance with China and Iran instead. Great work guys. We were much safer not having a power with supersonic nukes as an enemy. But I guess that natural gas from Russia that was lost (when Putin blew up his own pipeline, lmfao and roll my eyes to the heavens)can be replaced by good old American LNG. Maybe it was all worth it eh?

Edited October 20, 2023 by Calamity K

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Calamity K said:

Yes, because they got along which means each of them would be hoping to better the other diplomatically. When a blow hard donkey arrives, a wtf attitude results. In other words, the USA hates us anyway so no point wasting time with diplomacy so Putin invades Ukraine (why not?) and is forming alliance with China and Iran instead. Great work guys. We were much safer not having a power with supersonic nukes as an enemy. But I guess that natural gas from Russia that was lost (when Putin blew up his own pipeline, lmfao and roll my eyes to the heavens)can be replaced by good old American LNG. Maybe it was all worth it eh?

Sorry friend this makes little sense. Maybe just say what your want to?

[Calamity K]

Just now, Alflives said:

Sorry friend this makes little sense. Maybe just say what your want to?

Did Biden engage with Russia in a positive manner when he took office or was he confrontational? Was his approach effective?

[Sabrefan1]

59 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe any system is only as good as the people? And right now the US system is a sad reflection if they’re voters? 

 

Panem et Circenses Alf.  Bread and Circuses.  Like the Romans said, keep the people fed and entertained and you can get away with almost anything.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Did Biden engage with Russia in a positive manner when he took office or was he confrontational? Was his approach effective?

Sorry friend makes nbsense

[Calamity K]

Just now, Alflives said:

Sorry friend makes nbsense

That's a great response, because it's the only type possible imo. Well, you could have found a meme I suppose.

[the destroyer of worlds]

7 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Did Biden engage with Russia in a positive manner when he took office or was he confrontational? Was his approach effective?

You realize Russia was already sort of waging a war with Ukraine in the Donbas.  Or do you forget the call Trump had threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Joe/ Hunter/prosecutor thingy.

[Calamity K]

1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

You realize Russia was already sort of waging a war with Ukraine in the Donbas.  Or do you forget the call Trump had threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine if they didn't investigate the Joe/ Hunter/prosecutor thingy.

So protecting Biden's millions ultimately caused the Ukraine invasion? Aid always has stipulations, what do you care if Biden had his empire nipped, someone else maybe slightly competent could have won the presidency.

[Playoff Beered]

26 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Yes, because they got along which means each of them would be hoping to better the other diplomatically. When a blow hard donkey arrives, a wtf attitude results. In other words, the USA hates us anyway so no point wasting time with diplomacy. Putin invades Ukraine (why not?) and is forming alliance with China and Iran instead. Great work guys. We were much safer not having a power with supersonic nukes as an enemy. But I guess that natural gas from Russia that was lost (when Putin blew up his own pipeline, lmfao and roll my eyes to the heavens)can be replaced by good old American LNG. Maybe it was all worth it eh?

 

 

[King Heffy]

30 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Did Biden engage with Russia in a positive manner when he took office or was he confrontational? Was his approach effective?

Treating a subhuman piece of garbage like Putin with respect isn't a good idea.  You can't appease vermin like that and expect positive results.  What you call engaging Nazis in a positive manner is what most people would call treason. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by King Heffy

[Satchmo]

36 minutes ago, Calamity K said:

Yes, because they got along which means each of them would be hoping to better the other diplomatically. When a blow hard donkey arrives, a wtf attitude results. In other words, the USA hates us anyway so no point wasting time with diplomacy. Putin invades Ukraine (why not?) and is forming alliance with China and Iran instead. Great work guys. We were much safer not having a power with supersonic nukes as an enemy. But I guess that natural gas from Russia that was lost (when Putin blew up his own pipeline, lmfao and roll my eyes to the heavens)can be replaced by good old American LNG. Maybe it was all worth it eh?

I can see what you are saying but I don't have time to respond right now.   I'll try to get back to you tomorrow.

[PistolPete13]

4 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

I had no idea Righteous Gemstones was a documentary 

I miss SCTV, so whenever I want a chuckle I You Tube the Jim Bakker show. Comedy gold. 
 

[PistolPete13]

18 hours ago, Calamity K said:

Yes, because they got along which means each of them would be hoping to better the other diplomatically. When a blow hard donkey arrives, a wtf attitude results. In other words, the USA hates us anyway so no point wasting time with diplomacy. Putin invades Ukraine (why not?) and is forming alliance with China and Iran instead. Great work guys. We were much safer not having a power with supersonic nukes as an enemy. But I guess that natural gas from Russia that was lost (when Putin blew up his own pipeline, lmfao and roll my eyes to the heavens)can be replaced by good old American LNG. Maybe it was all worth it eh?

Your viewpoint is an interesting mishmash of Trump talking points. It used to rile people up on these boards but now everyone is yawning because it just same old crap.

 

March 3, 1983 Ronald Regan referred to the Soviet Union as “the evil empire”.

 

January 29,2002 George W Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea in his state of the union speech, the axis of evil. 

 

Then on September 22, 2020 Donald Trump blasted China for causing the Corona Virus outbreak.

All republicans, all the time. But yeah, Biden is to blame for US relations with the aforementioned countries. 
 

Since you like memes 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2023 by PistolPete13

[PistolPete13]

Repubs ready to do the work of the people once again. Gym Jordan is about to lose another vote. McCarthy’s nomination speech is drawing a lot of laughs. Gym Jordan is one of the most selfless men that I know…..straightforward honest and reliable. Right you are Kev. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by PistolPete13

[Gurn]

6 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said:

Gym Jordan is one of the most selfless men that I know

Not sure just which of those two arses, that says the most about. 

[PistolPete13]

14 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Not sure just which of those two arses, that says the most about. 

I guess the bullying tactics didn’t work for Jordan. Maybe his buddy Kevin will talk him into going 15 rounds. 

[Johngould21]

Sure not looking good for Jimbo.

[King Heffy]

16 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

Sure not looking good for Jimbo.

It's concerning that so many are still willing to vote for him but denazification of the party will take a few elections sadly.  Hopefully enough GOP members will decide that running the country is more important than continuing their war against democracy.

[nuckin_futz]

Judge Threatens ‘Imprisoning’ Trump for 'Blatantly' Violating Gag Order

The judge overseeing Donald Trump’s bank fraud trial threatened to throw the former president in jail—and hit him with punishing fines—for “blatantly” violating a gag order by refusing to delete a website post attacking court staff.

 

Justice Arthur F. Engoron, striking a serious tone, began Friday at trial by laying out the high stakes and demanding that Trump’s lawyers explain themselves.

 

“In the current overheated climate, incendiary comments can and in some cases already has, led to serious physical harm and worse. I will now allow the defendants to explain why this blatant violation of the gag order would not result in serious sanctions, including financial sanctions and/or possibly imprisoning him,” Engoron said.

 

The case that Engoron is presiding over—Trump’s New York bank fraud trial—is a civil matter, meaning jail time wasn’t ever supposed to be in the cards, only stiff fines and a threat to ruin his real estate empire.

 

But now, Trump appears to be facing a very real threat of spending time in jail if his antics continue.

 

Defense lawyer Christopher Kise immediately apologized for Trump’s behavior, blaming the 2024 Republican presidential candidate’s bloated “campaign machinery” for simply forgetting to remove a webpage that mirrored the Truth Social post Trump had already deleted.

 

“There was no intention to evade or circumvent or ignore the order. I assure you that. I just know that this is a very large machine and this is one of the reasons, frankly, I don't have social media,” Kise said, trying to deflect with some light humor.

 

“But that’s been taken down. And we don't have any other… there were no subsequent postings,” Kise added.

 

The judge didn’t immediately accept that excuse.

 

“I will take that under advisement, but… Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine,” Engoron reminded him.

 

The Daily Beast first reported that this lashing was coming Thursday night.

 

The formal reprimand follows several warnings this judge has given for the out-of-control real estate tycoon—who has spent months intimidating witnesses and maligning judges and prosecutors—to not follow the same modus operandi in New York state court.

 

At issue is the way that Trump managed to bungle the very start of his trial by lying about the judge’s top legal adviser. On the second day of trial earlier this month, Trump took to his Truth Social media network to share a MAGA-aligned Twitter user’s post asking, “Why is Judge Engoron's Principal Law Clerk, Allison R. Greenfield, palling around with Chuck Schumer?” Trump also linked to her personal Instagram page, drawing the attention of his huge fan base against her.

 

On Friday morning, Engoron carefully went over what had already transpired thus far to remind Trump’s lawyers of the hot water they’re in, citing the “untrue disparaging and personally identifying post about my principal law clerk.” He also revealed what happened in his closed courtroom when reporters weren’t present.

 

“I spoke to defendants on and off the record. Off the record, I ordered Donald Trump to remove the post immediately. Approximately 10 minutes later, Donald Trump represented to me that he had taken down the offending post,” he began.

 

“I then, on the record, imposed on all parties to his action a very limited gag order forbidding ‘all parties from posting, emailing or speaking publicly about any members of my staff,’ emphasizing quite clearly that ‘personal attacks on members of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them under any circumstances,’” he recalled.

 

“Despite this clear order, last night I learned that the subject of the offending post was never removed from the website donaldjtrump.com, and in fact had been on that website for the past 17 days. I understand that it was removed late last night, but only in response to email from this court,” he went on.

 

Engoron, who is typically easygoing in court, was anything but while he reprimanded Trump’s legal team. His threat of sanctions and jail time shows just how seriously he’s taking the matter, given that similar behavior by the embattled former president has led to a deluge of threats against prosecutors at the New York Attorney General’s Office, the Manhattan District Attorney, the Fulton County District Attorney, and those on the Department of Justice’s Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team.

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Judge Threatens ‘Imprisoning’ Trump for 'Blatantly' Violating Gag Order

The judge overseeing Donald Trump’s bank fraud trial threatened to throw the former president in jail—and hit him with punishing fines—for “blatantly” violating a gag order by refusing to delete a website post attacking court staff.

 

Justice Arthur F. Engoron, striking a serious tone, began Friday at trial by laying out the high stakes and demanding that Trump’s lawyers explain themselves.

 

“In the current overheated climate, incendiary comments can and in some cases already has, led to serious physical harm and worse. I will now allow the defendants to explain why this blatant violation of the gag order would not result in serious sanctions, including financial sanctions and/or possibly imprisoning him,” Engoron said.

 

The case that Engoron is presiding over—Trump’s New York bank fraud trial—is a civil matter, meaning jail time wasn’t ever supposed to be in the cards, only stiff fines and a threat to ruin his real estate empire.

 

But now, Trump appears to be facing a very real threat of spending time in jail if his antics continue.

 

Defense lawyer Christopher Kise immediately apologized for Trump’s behavior, blaming the 2024 Republican presidential candidate’s bloated “campaign machinery” for simply forgetting to remove a webpage that mirrored the Truth Social post Trump had already deleted.

 

“There was no intention to evade or circumvent or ignore the order. I assure you that. I just know that this is a very large machine and this is one of the reasons, frankly, I don't have social media,” Kise said, trying to deflect with some light humor.

 

“But that’s been taken down. And we don't have any other… there were no subsequent postings,” Kise added.

 

The judge didn’t immediately accept that excuse.

 

“I will take that under advisement, but… Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine,” Engoron reminded him.

 

The Daily Beast first reported that this lashing was coming Thursday night.

 

The formal reprimand follows several warnings this judge has given for the out-of-control real estate tycoon—who has spent months intimidating witnesses and maligning judges and prosecutors—to not follow the same modus operandi in New York state court.

 

At issue is the way that Trump managed to bungle the very start of his trial by lying about the judge’s top legal adviser. On the second day of trial earlier this month, Trump took to his Truth Social media network to share a MAGA-aligned Twitter user’s post asking, “Why is Judge Engoron's Principal Law Clerk, Allison R. Greenfield, palling around with Chuck Schumer?” Trump also linked to her personal Instagram page, drawing the attention of his huge fan base against her.

 

On Friday morning, Engoron carefully went over what had already transpired thus far to remind Trump’s lawyers of the hot water they’re in, citing the “untrue disparaging and personally identifying post about my principal law clerk.” He also revealed what happened in his closed courtroom when reporters weren’t present.

 

“I spoke to defendants on and off the record. Off the record, I ordered Donald Trump to remove the post immediately. Approximately 10 minutes later, Donald Trump represented to me that he had taken down the offending post,” he began.

 

“I then, on the record, imposed on all parties to his action a very limited gag order forbidding ‘all parties from posting, emailing or speaking publicly about any members of my staff,’ emphasizing quite clearly that ‘personal attacks on members of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate them under any circumstances,’” he recalled.

 

“Despite this clear order, last night I learned that the subject of the offending post was never removed from the website donaldjtrump.com, and in fact had been on that website for the past 17 days. I understand that it was removed late last night, but only in response to email from this court,” he went on.

 

Engoron, who is typically easygoing in court, was anything but while he reprimanded Trump’s legal team. His threat of sanctions and jail time shows just how seriously he’s taking the matter, given that similar behavior by the embattled former president has led to a deluge of threats against prosecutors at the New York Attorney General’s Office, the Manhattan District Attorney, the Fulton County District Attorney, and those on the Department of Justice’s Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team.

 

god I hope this judge has the balls to put the clown in jail for a few days. I really don't understand why Americans put up with this guy threatening average citizens. 

[nuckin_futz]

Cheesey’s trial was to begin on Monday. 

[RupertKBD]

52 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Cheesey’s trial was to begin on Monday. 

 

[PistolPete13]

57 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

Cheesey’s trial was to begin on Monday. 

Another domino falls. Trump has to be shitting himself.

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, PistolPete13 said:

Another domino falls. Trump has to be shitting himself.

 

I suspect Drumpf is more concerned about losing his businesses at this point. Thats something he can't reverse as president if he wins again. It would also make him look extremely weak.