US Politics Thread

[4petesake]

2 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

It's easy to say "middle of the road" when you've got blinders on because you think you're splitting things down the middle when in fact your blinders have obscured the fact you're actually drifting off to the side.

 

But who am I to contest with "experts"?  

 

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

16 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Having lived in the US for multiple years I am well acquainted with all of this.

 

What I am interested in is how you always find the polls that only show your opinion whereas I always find polls that show the opposite.  But you've also made statements about the media yet are now using their polls to insinuate Harris being in more trouble than is factual. 

 

Just pointing that out

I’m confused Hippy. I posted 2 national polls, NBC and ABC.  These are Democrat leaning not Conservative leaning. I didn’t post any Conservative polls like Rasmussen. Those polls actually show Trump ahead. 
 

Are you now discounting even left leaning polls?  It’s real confusing trying to follow your logic here. A left leaning poll shows Trump tied with Kamala but according to you I am only posting polls that show favourability to Trump. 
 

If I really wanted to post a poll that was favourable to Trump I would have posted Polymarket or Rasmussen. But since you are asking here we go. 
 

 

Trump is actually ahead in these polls. And he’s tied in a left leaning NBC poll where Joe and Hillary were way ahead at the same time in 2016 and 2020. 
 

If I were a betting man and going to Vegas, my money would be on Trump winning the election. 

Edited Sunday at 09:40 PM by Elias Pettersson

[Satchmo]

Glad he will have no power on election day even if elected.  

 

Trump suggests using military against ‘enemy from within’ on Election Day

Former President Donald Trump suggested using the military to handle what he called “the enemy from within” on Election Day, saying that he isn’t worried about chaos from his supporters or foreign actors, but instead from “radical left lunatics.”

“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people. Radical left lunatics,” Trump said told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo in an interview on “Sunday Morning Futures.”

“I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he added.

The former president, whose supporters stormed the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, in an attempt to thwart Congress’ certification of his 2020 election loss, downplayed any threat from his voters.

“No, I don’t think — not from the side that votes for Trump,” the former president said when Bartiromo asked whether he was expecting chaos on Election Day. When she alluded to the Justice Department arresting and charging an Afghan national for allegedly plotting a terrorist attack in the US on Election Day and cited the threat of “outside agitators” and undocumented immigrants, Trump pivoted to talking about political opponents on the left.

“I think the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in and destroying our country, by the way, totally destroying our country, the towns, the villages, they’re being inundated,” he said, referring to immigrants whom Trump has repeatedly attacked with dehumanizing rhetoric.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-military-enemy-from-within-election-day/index.html

 

[Elias Pettersson]

43 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

 

It’s interesting how some people are so caught up in their own biases that when they see something against that bias they immediately go into defence mode and try and discount the other party. 

I literally posted a left leaning poll that shows Kamala is losing steam and dropping in the polls. The immediate argument is not to attack the poll itself but to attack the poster instead. 

 

At least you guys are consistent. And entertaining to boot. 

[24K]

40 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I’m confused Hippy. I posted 2 national polls, NBC and ABC.  These are Democrat leaning not Conservative leaning. I didn’t post any Conservative polls like Rasmussen. Those polls actually show Trump ahead. 
 

Are you now discounting even left leaning polls?  It’s real confusing trying to follow your logic here. A left leaning poll shows Trump tied with Kamala but according to you I am only posting polls that show favourability to Trump. 
 

If I really wanted to post a poll that was favourable to Trump I would have posted Polymarket or Rasmussen. But since you are asking here we go. 
 

 

Trump is actually ahead in these polls. And he’s tied in a left leaning NBC poll where Joe and Hillary were way ahead at the same time in 2016 and 2020. 
 

If I were a betting man and going to Vegas, my money would be on Trump winning the election. 

ABC and NBC are not democratic leaning polls. They are non partisian. There is like only a handful of Dem leaning polls released since September compared to nearly two dozen from gop leaning poll. 

 

Also I already raised doubt over NBC with their suprisingly low sample size. 

 

Also Polymarket is 100% maga as I have pointed out countless time. They are crypto based market which going to have inherent bias from crypto bros that lean to maga not to mention Elon Musk putting his thumb on the scale on that one. I would recommend predict it if you want to look at betting odds which admiditly does have Trump up. 

 

[SilentSam]

if Hillary can be investigated for e mails,

 

if Hunter can be investigative for a laptop ..

 

Donald can be involved for conspiracy and conspiring allies to incite a coup / insurrection against the United States of America.

 

 

 

[4petesake]

1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s interesting how some people are so caught up in their own biases that when they see something against that bias they immediately go into defence mode and try and discount the other party. 

I literally posted a left leaning poll that shows Kamala is losing steam and dropping in the polls. The immediate argument is not to attack the poll itself but to attack the poster instead. 

 

At least you guys are consistent. And entertaining to boot. 

 

Don’t be so defensive, surely you get that you’re no centrist? I’ve said here before that I consider myself to be centrist but I’ve no doubt you and others would laugh at that as well. I can live with it when people call me a lefty or a socialist.
 

The issue isn’t whether you post a poll from the left or right it’s that you exclusively post polls & tweets that support right leaning opinions, I do the same from the left. Face it - just because we’d prefer to think we are centrists doesn’t mean others see us that way.

 

My father always said “feel free to laugh at others so long as you can laugh at yourself.” At least we have humour, right?

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

5 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

 

Don’t be so defensive, surely you get that you’re no centrist? I’ve said here before that I consider myself to be centrist but I’ve no doubt you and others would laugh at that as well. I can live with it when people call me a lefty or a socialist.
 

The issue isn’t whether you post a poll from the left or right it’s that you exclusively post polls & tweets that support right leaning opinions, I do the same from the left. Face it - just because we’d prefer to think we are centrists doesn’t mean others see us that way.

 

My father always said “feel free to laugh at others so long as you can laugh at yourself.” At least we have humour, right?

 

It's human nature for a lot of people to think that they are "centrist"; that's because those people (whether consciously or subconsciously) view the world as rotating around themself.  They are the "centre of the universe".  I know their type because I live with one (my mother in law).

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

18 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

I do the same from the left.

 

The fact that you recognize this shows you're not one of the types I mentioned in my previous post.  

[24K]

4 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

 

It's human nature for a lot of people to think that they are "centrist"; that's because those people (whether consciously or subconsciously) view the world as rotating around themself.  They are the "centre of the universe".  I know their type because I live with one (my mother in law).

I wouldn't say they view the world rotating around themselves as why people think they are centrist. 

 

It is more like a primal survival instinct. There is always an in group and an out group and those that are in the out group tend to be isolated and abandoned by the in group. 

 

Most people view the center as the in group so they want to associate themselves with it.

[Elias Pettersson]

So, I’m surprised nobody has posted this yet. They tried to assassinate Trump again yesterday at Coachella. Too bad they didn’t get him. Am I doing this right?  I just want to make sure this is taken as an anti Trump post so I can hit my quota for the day. 
 

 

[The Arrogant Worms]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So, I’m surprised nobody has posted this yet. They tried to assassinate Trump again yesterday at Coachella. Too bad they didn’t get him. Am I doing this right?  I just want to make sure this is taken as an anti Trump post so I can hit my quota for the day. 
 

 

Who is they?

[Elias Pettersson]

50 minutes ago, 24K said:

ABC and NBC are not democratic leaning polls. They are non partisian. There is like only a handful of Dem leaning polls released since September compared to nearly two dozen from gop leaning poll. 

 

Also I already raised doubt over NBC with their suprisingly low sample size. 

 

Also Polymarket is 100% maga as I have pointed out countless time. They are crypto based market which going to have inherent bias from crypto bros that lean to maga not to mention Elon Musk putting his thumb on the scale on that one. I would recommend predict it if you want to look at betting odds which admiditly does have Trump up. 

 

ABC and NBC are non partisan?  That’s probably the funniest thing posted in this thread in a long time. And Fox News is also non partisan then right?

Edited Sunday at 11:18 PM by Elias Pettersson

[24K]

4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

ABC and NBC are non partisan?  That’s probably the funniest thing posted in this thread in along time. And Fox News is also non partisan then?

Yes. Fox news polling is non partisian and highly accurate. 

 

I am talking about polling here and not coverage and even then ABC and NBC are not considered biased sources. 

Edited Sunday at 11:22 PM by 24K

[The Arrogant Worms]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So, I’m surprised nobody has posted this yet. They tried to assassinate Trump again yesterday at Coachella. Too bad they didn’t get him. Am I doing this right?  I just want to make sure this is taken as an anti Trump post so I can hit my quota for the day. 
 

However, law enforcement sources told The Post that the FBI does not believe this was an assassination attempt, and the former president’s life was never in danger.

Miller — a registered Republican believed to have far right leanings — was booked for possessing a loaded firearm and a high-capacity magazine and was released after posting $5,000 bail, police records show.

 

He has an extensive history of petty run-ins with the law, sources said, and appeared to be a member of the sovereign citizens movement – a far-right movement built on conspiracy theories that believe governments have no authority over them.

The FBI calls the group “anti-government extremists,” who maintain that while they “physically reside in this country,” they remain “separate or ‘sovereign’ from the United States.”

 

https://nypost.com/2024/10/13/us-news/third-trump-assassination-attempt-thwarted-when-armed-man-arrested-outside-coachella-rally-sheriff-says/

 

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

Who is they?

I’m assuming the assassin is a mentally deranged Trump supporter?

 

It looks like you beat me to the punch. 

[PistolPete13]

6 hours ago, SilentSam said:

More on Trumps Campaign leaving its supporters stranded at an event ..

 

 

 

 

 

[Ilunga]

1 hour ago, 4petesake said:

 

Don’t be so defensive, surely you get that you’re no centrist? I’ve said here before that I consider myself to be centrist but I’ve no doubt you and others would laugh at that as well. I can live with it when people call me a lefty or a socialist.
 

The issue isn’t whether you post a poll from the left or right it’s that you exclusively post polls & tweets that support right leaning opinions, I do the same from the left. Face it - just because we’d prefer to think we are centrists doesn’t mean others see us that way.

 

My father always said “feel free to laugh at others so long as you can laugh at yourself.” At least we have humour, right?

 

This is one of the best posts in this thread on a few levels. 

 

I am the funniest cunts I know.

I laugh at myself all the time.

Edited Sunday at 11:46 PM by Ilunga

[Cranston]

10 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Ahhh there we go.

 

So, you wanna tell me what the numbers were year by year under Trump?  How about WHAT happened when the border was actually closed?  What event was that?  How about what the cause of the massive influx post reopening was?  Or if the numbers have come down since their highs?

 

You wanna ddress these or you just wanna keep posting links and ignoring the cause the effect and the actual truth like your type always does

As I said, the stats you wanted me to look up for you are in the attachment, that's why I put it there. I cant figure out how to post just the graph. I can save it but not copy it. Nonetheless it's there, just click on the link and scroll down a page if it's not too much trouble.

Edited Monday at 05:35 AM by Cranston

[Sabrefan1]

Not too sick to troll a little...

 

 

*edit*   Crap.  I see that I got beaten to it.  *sad panda face*

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 12:20 AM by Sabrefan1

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

Not too sick to troll a little...

 

 

 

 

Three more weeks and Harris slaps Trump’s far ass silly. 

[Satchmo]

5 minutes ago, Cranston said:

As I said, the stats you wanted from me to look up for you are in the attachment, that's why I put it there. I cant figure out how to post just the graph. I can save it but not copy it. Nonetheless it's there, just click on the link and scroll down a page if it's not too much trouble.

I just looked at that article.  I'd read it before on the day it came out.  Yes, the numbers have increased since 2020.   Covid had something to do with that.  The world economy had something to do with that. The abysmal economies of Venezuela and Latin America also factor in. A big increase in Chinese immigrants as well.

 

You are quite focused on the graph alone.  The article also points out:

How have government policies affected border crossings?

Both the Trump and Biden administrations used a Covid-19 public health measure to quickly return migrants at the border.

Between its start in March 2020 and its end in May 2023, migrants were expelled nearly three million times under this policy.

 

Despite this, encounters continued to increase, according to the Migration Policy Institute.

The factors driving this included a post-lockdown surge in crossings and political and economic instability in countries such as Venezuela.

 

Republicans say Biden’s “weak” policies on immigration also encouraged migrants to travel to the US - and some Democrats in border states criticised the administration for not acting quickly enough to address the crisis.

 

An attempt to pass a cross-party bill to tighten border security failed in May 2024, with Harris saying that Trump "tanked it".

 

Biden issued an executive order the following month to quickly deport migrants at the border.

This means migrants can be sent back without having their asylum claims processed, if the average number of weekly encounters exceeded a certain threshold.

A month after the order was introduced, encounters at the southern border fell by a fifth.

 

 

 

[Sabrefan1]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Three more weeks and Harris slaps Trump’s far ass silly. 

 

No matter what the NBC poll says, she's going to win the popular vote by at least a couple of million.

 

Like always, the swing states are going to decide this race.

 

If you like chaos, root for a tie.  The Democrats will go apoplectic for the next 4 years after the House decides who the winner is.

[Satchmo]

This one might have just been a somewhat twisted guy who likes having guns in his car.  And Trump.

 

Federal officials say no evidence of assassination attempt after man arrested with weapons near Trump rally in California

 

Two federal officials told CNN there is no evidence at this time to indicate a man who was arrested on gun charges near Donald Trump’s Saturday rally in California was attempting to assassinate the former president.

In a joint statement with the FBI and Justice Department, the US Secret Service said that “former President Trump was not in any danger” at the rally.

The man, who authorities say was illegally possessing a shotgun, a loaded handgun and a high-capacity magazine, was able to gain access to an initial perimeter near the rally in Coachella, Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco said Sunday.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/trump-coachella-rally-man-arrested/index.html

 

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

No matter what the NBC poll says, she's going to win the popular vote by at least a couple of million.

 

Like always, the swing states are going to decide this race.

 

If you like chaos, root for a tie.  The Democrats will go apoplectic for the next 4 years after the House decides who the winner is.

Is the world in a place right now where the USA can be so split though? IMHAO we need a strong America with a strong leader. If not the world we see four years from now just might look apocalyptic.