US Politics Thread

[SilentSam]

The sound track on this should be piped into his rally’s lol !!

 

 

 

 

[SilentSam]

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[4petesake]

8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

The sound track on this should be piped into his rally’s lol !!

 

 

 

 

 

Coachella Adjacent rally MAGA hats.

 

 

[SilentSam]

 

[Cranston]

6 hours ago, kilgore said:

What they are saying is that it is false that there has been evidence of it happening. And that is what is wrong with Trump and Vance spreading it as if it’s been proven true. Understand?

There were plenty of claims and the apparently when pressured they all backed down. Who'd have Known.

6 hours ago, kilgore said:

 

 If you applied your conclusion to everything, there is also no proof that Jews are firing lasers from UFOs to start forest fires. But there’s no proof it couldn’t be happening either. Even if it’s like a .000000000000001% chance.

I do not expect to see the headline like "UFO Falsely Reported over Phoenix". It's dumb.

6 hours ago, kilgore said:

So laugh away at folks that say MTGs conspiracy theory is “false”. Because as you said there’s no proof of that not happening. 

She didn't say that. It is Fake News.

6 hours ago, kilgore said:

 Now tell us how you feel about a felon still walking around free with criminal convictions PROVEN in a court of law, and running for the highest public office?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/20/politics/video/judge-judy-trump-civil-fraud-case-manhattan-da-wallace-wtcw-digvid

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Cranston said:

The newspaper because this lie is deliberate standard procedure for them. There were numerous whistleblowers on the pets who backed down under intimidation and who can blame them. Trump/Vance should have waited for a verified report before repeating the claim. 

So again.  And this I would think is important (but will be answered predictably) is what you think.

 

The US president and US vice president hopefuls.  Lying outright about an event that the original person who claimed it, said it wasn't true; are to held held less accountable than the newsprint media that rightfully said "alleged incidents were false" instead of unproven.  even when the mayor, counsellors, citizens, sherrifs and person who made the claim to begin with said.

 

it was not true.

 

This is your position.  The media is to held to a higher standard because their statement doesn't meet your criteria; than the US presidential, and vice presidential hopefuls who outright lied and pushed said lie and admitted they'd keep lying just to piss people off enough to vote.

 

Really Cranny?

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Listen to this

 

  

 

 

Holy shit did he skewer him.  

 

That was brilliant

[Cranston]

2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

So again.  And this I would think is important (but will be answered predictably) is what you think.

 

The US president and US vice president hopefuls.  Lying outright about an event that the original person who claimed it, said it wasn't true; are to held held less accountable than the newsprint media that rightfully said "alleged incidents were false" instead of unproven.  even when the mayor, counsellors, citizens, sherrifs and person who made the claim to begin with said.

 

it was not true.

 

This is your position.  The media is to held to a higher standard because their statement doesn't meet your criteria; than the US presidential, and vice presidential hopefuls who outright lied and pushed said lie and admitted they'd keep lying just to piss people off enough to vote.

 

Really Cranny?

You know, if you click on my X profile you will see "It's NOT a lie if you believe it".   

 

Yes, for sure the media should be held to a higher standard, they once were. Expectations for politicians have never been high.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Cranston said:

You know, if you click on my X profile you will see "It's NOT a lie if you believe it".   

 

Yes, for sure the media should be held to a higher standard, they once were. Expectations for politicians have never been high.

Got it.

 

So the media rightfully saying something that's a lie; is a lie is bad because in your eyes they should say unproven instead because hey.  could happen.

 

But

 

The potential us pres and vp are totally clear to lie their assess off about immigrants doing horrific things literally just to piss people off enough to get angry is ok.  They don't need to held to the same standards.  leader and co leadr of the "free world" can lie, but the media better get their terminology right.

 

Interesting.

[Cranston]

12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Got it.

 

So the media rightfully saying something that's a lie; is a lie is bad because in your eyes they should say unproven instead because hey.  could happen.

I don't like there headline to be "falsely claims", it's the readers job to determine that. To say it was a lie would be way worse. It seems a lot of people don't know what the word lie means. 

lie (noun) · lies (plural noun)

1. an intentionally false statement

12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

But

 

The potential us pres and vp are totally clear to lie their assess off about immigrants doing horrific things literally just to piss people off enough to get angry is ok.  They don't need to held to the same standards.  leader and co leadr of the "free world" can lie, but the media better get their terminology right.

 

Interesting.

Whistleblowers said it was happening and they believed it, and why wouldn't they considering it is a common practice in Haiti, their home country. end

Edited 3 hours ago by Cranston

[Curmudgeon]

48 minutes ago, Cranston said:

There were plenty of claims and the apparently when pressured they all backed down. Who'd have Known.

 

Sources, please. Excessive use of the passive voice. WHAT were the claims, WHO made them, and WHO reported them? If you're going to debate, bring the receipts.

[Duodenum]

13 minutes ago, Cranston said:

I don't like there headline to be "falsely claims", it's the readers job to determine that. To say it was a lie would be way worse. It seems a lot of people don't know what the word lie means. 

lie (noun) · lies (plural noun)

1. an intentionally false statement

Whistleblowers said it was happening and they believed it, and why wouldn't they considering it is a common practice in their home country. end

According to a Wednesday report from The Wall Street Journal, on Sept. 9 — the day Vance first posted on X claiming local cats were being eaten by Springfield’s Haitians — most of which are in the town legally — his office called local authorities to verify the claim. 

 

A Vance staffer “asked point-blank, ‘Are the rumors true of pets being taken and eaten [true]?’” City Manager Bryan Heck told the Journal. “I told him no. There was no verifiable evidence or reports to show this was true. I told them these claims were baseless."

 

Vance knew, he ignored it and posted/said his lies anyways. 

 

Calling the claims false and lies is 100% ok. You are arguing from a place of zero evidence and hopeful wishing. Your feelings do not override what is actually known. 

 

It is the readers personal responsibility to vet what they read but it is also the news' responsibility to provide factual information. Well maybe not 'fox news' as they brand themselves as entertainment rather than actual news.

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[Warhippy]

19 minutes ago, Cranston said:

I don't like there headline to be "falsely claims", it's the readers job to determine that. To say it was a lie would be way worse. It seems a lot of people don't know what the word lie means. 

lie (noun) · lies (plural noun)

1. an intentionally false statement

Whistleblowers said it was happening and they believed it, and why wouldn't they considering it is a common practice in Haiti, their home country. end

You don't like the headline to be "falsely claims" because you need it to be the way you see it.  Nothing more.  You don't like the headline because it rightfully claims that Vance and trump are liars.  That's it.  Nothing more.  I will agree, many don't know what the word lie means.  Why do I agree?  Because the original woman who made the claim said IT WAS A LIE and yet you still believe it.  Citing "whilsteblowers" which; if they exist should be very easily verifiable.  No?  So just produce the evidence and that's it.  Burden of proof and all.

 

Whistleblowers.  They said it, they believed it.  The one person cited as saying it admitted it was a lie.  She was vocal in that even with her "colourful past" but again, it depends on your definition of the word lie right?  Because if it conforms with your beliefs and ensures you don't have to admit you're wrong a lie is much better to believe than admitting you're supporting lying, racist, pompous venal skin sacks with the moral dollar value of 3 jars of urine created by a dehydrated trucker and left in the sun for a week.

 

You actually have the gall to state that the media is more accountable based on your belief of what is a rightful headline than the potential leader of the largest military in the world and expect some sort of what?  Respect?  Credibility?  Acknowledgment?  Come on man.

 

You're absolutely takin the piss here aren't ya?

Edited 3 hours ago by Warhippy