US Politics Thread

[Gator]

15 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

From my POV

When your POV is strictly left wing biased outlets it's no wonder. Some people really believe Trump is a Putin loving wannabe dictator.. And sad thing is I see exactly why they believe it.. Because they bought the BS and refuse to see otherwise even when faced with facts

 

[RupertKBD]

2 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

It's so odd. I get why a lot of people vote left, for labour laws, health benefits, etc.

 

Why does anyone vote right in the US? Ok if its better for your taxes I get it.

 

But poor or average republicans? What's the benefit?

 

The American Right has been able to pull off one of the biggest scams ever.....and it far predates Donald Trump.

 

In a nutshell, they've sold Americans on this idea that if they just work hard and believe, they can all become the next Leon, or Bill Gates. The truth is, virtually every rich American had a leg up from the beginning....either being born into wealth like Trump, or at least well off enough that your parents can pay for a top notch education, like Gates and Zuckerberg....

 

The other half of the scam was convincing these folks that a vote for the Left was "Socialism", which was the biggest threat to achieving the so-called American dream. Sure, maybe your wages a Wal-Mart might go up, but forget about being the next Mark Cuban....

 

Take a look at the people who support Trump....

 

 

Which of these fine folks strikes you as the next Larry Page? Yet, everyone seems to think that voting Republican will give them a chance....

[Satchmo]

3 minutes ago, Gator said:

It perfectly describes both sides. As I said... "Basic politics".. Left and right

 

I bet you believe your god is the only right god too huh?

You are jumping to an incorrect conclusion - I do not believe in any god (except maybe the hockey gods).  Forgive me for jumping to the conclusion that your god is Trump.

[RupertKBD]

1 minute ago, Gator said:

When your POV is strictly left wing biased outlets it's no wonder. Some people really believe Trump is a Putin loving wannabe dictator.. And sad thing is I see exactly why they believe it.. Because they bought the BS and refuse to see otherwise even when faced with facts

 

 

You've described yourself (and all Trump fans) perfectly....

[Gator]

21 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

It's so odd. I get why a lot of people vote left, for labour laws, health benefits, etc.

 

Why does anyone vote right in the US? Ok if its better for your taxes I get it.

 

But poor or average republicans? What's the benefit?

As a long time lefty recently turned rights. To put it mildly... Common sense

 

I won't go into specifics because I know going down that rabbit hole will get me banned (cancelled) .. But ever since covid the left has gone mad/extreme on so many levels

 

But all that stuff has literally nothing to do with why I'd take Trump over any other politician (republican or democrat)

[Bob Long]

7 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

The American Right has been able to pull off one of the biggest scams ever.....and it far predates Donald Trump.

 

In a nutshell, they've sold Americans on this idea that if they just work hard and believe, they can all become the next Leon, or Bill Gates. The truth is, virtually every rich American had a leg up from the beginning....either being born into wealth like Trump, or at least well off enough that your parents can pay for a top notch education, like Gates and Zuckerberg....

 

The other half of the scam was convincing these folks that a vote for the Left was "Socialism", which was the biggest threat to achieving the so-called American dream. Sure, maybe your wages a Wal-Mart might go up, but forget about being the next Mark Cuban....

 

Take a look at the people who support Trump....

 

 

Which of these fine folks strikes you as the next Larry Page? Yet, everyone seems to think that voting Republican will give them a chance....

 

Bingo.

 

Our friend @Gator can't answer a simple question in his own words.

 

But I bet he has a video 

[Bob Long]

Just now, Gator said:

As a long time lefty recently turned rights. To put it mildly... Common sense

 

I won't go into specifics because I know going down that rabbit hole will get me banned (cancelled) .. But ever since covid the left has gone mad/extreme on so many levels

 

But all that stuff has literally nothing to do with why I'd take Trump over any other politician (republican or democrat)I'm 

 

I'm just asking you to name the top three things trump has done to benefit the average joe, in your own words.

 

Why is this so hard to do?

[Satchmo]

1 minute ago, Gator said:

As a long time lefty recently turned rights. To put it mildly... Common sense

 

I won't go into specifics because I know going down that rabbit hole will get me banned (cancelled) .. But ever since covid the left has gone mad/extreme on so many levels

 

But all that stuff has literally nothing to do with why I'd take Trump over any other politician (republican or democrat)

So you have the answers for everything but can't tell us what they are?

[Duodenum]

How every debate with a Trumper feels like.

 

 

[RupertKBD]

3 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

So you have the answers for everything but can't tell us what they are?

 

I think you have to save up three box tops and then send away for the secret decoder ring....

[Gator]

17 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

You are jumping to an incorrect conclusion - I do not believe in any god (except maybe the hockey gods).  Forgive me for jumping to the conclusion that your god is Trump.

Guess you missed the point. Can't say I'm surprised lol

[Satchmo]

1 minute ago, Gator said:

Guess you missed the point. Can't say I'm surprised lol

Seems to me you attempted to deflect from your obvious pro Trump statements and turn them into a generic statement about all politicians.  I was not fooled and chose just to ignore that bit.  Then you asked about my favorite god.  Anything else?

[Gator]

20 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

I'm just asking you to name the top three things trump has done to benefit the average joe, in your own words.

 

Why is this so hard to do?

Not accept political bribes from donors special interests (atleast to the scale of other politicians)

 

Made NATO pay their fair share, and not having so much of that weight be put on the American tax payers 

 

Didn't take the $400k annual salary paid by American tax payers

 

Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east

 

Its not hard to do. I've said these things. You know these things. You just refuse to listen to these things because your head is so far up the left's ass lol. You're no different than a republican that is only voting Trump because he's a republican. 

 

I have on MANY occasions over this discussion admitted a lot of the bad about Trump. I watch news from all over. From CNN to Fox, to WION (Indian news channel) amongst other world wide networks. I don't put tunnel vision glasses on with the media like most seem to do. I don't watch it often, but I get a little bit from everywhere.. Interesting when you see the bias from other perspectives.. Apparently WIIN is a Russia bias network. Found that out after watching a video of it seeming like Russia was winning the war, just minutes after hearing the exact opposite from another network. Funny really. And the people watching these networks swear by these networks and REALLY believe in their hearts that they're being fed the whole truth and not being lied to.

 

Kinda like religion. Everyone believes their god is the right god and everyone else is crazy.

 

Both are just methods to brainwash the public for their own personal gain

Edited 2 hours ago by Gator

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Gator said:

Not accept political bribes

 

Made NATO pay their fair share, and not having so much of that weight be put on the American tax dollars

 

Did take the $400k annual salary paid by American tax payers

 

Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east

 

Its not hard to do. I've said these things. You know these things. You just refuse to listen to these things because your head is so far up the left's ass lol. You're no different than a republican that is only voting Trump because he's a republican. 

 

I have on MANY occasions over this discussion admitted a lot of the bad about Trump. I watch news from all over. From CNN to Fox, to WION (Indian news channel) amongst other world wide networks. I don't put tunnel vision glasses on with the media like most seem to do. I don't watch it often, but I get a little bit from everywhere.. Interesting when you see the bias from other perspectives.. Apparently WIIN is a Russia bias network. Found that out after watching a video of it seeming like Russia was winning the war, just minutes after hearing the exact opposite from another network. Funny really. And the people watching these networks swear by these networks and REALLY believe in their hearts that they're being fed the whole truth and not being lied to.

 

Kinda like religion. Everyone believes their god is the right god and everyone else is crazy.

 

Both are just methods to brainwash the public for their own personal gain

 

Gator, none of that has an impact on daily American lives.

 

You seem intent on making this sided.

 

I'm simply asking what are the tangible benefits to the average American?

 

[Gator]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

none of that has an impact on daily American lives.

 

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east

Oh boy... God help us all lol

[Bob Long]

10 minutes ago, Gator said:

 

Oh boy... God help us all lol

 

Since you seem confused by the question I'll rephrase:

 

Tell me the top three domestic benefits.

 

[Gator]

1 minute ago, Bob Long said:

 

Since you seem confused by the question I'll rephrase:

 

Tell me the top three domestic benefits.

 

[Bob Long]

1 minute ago, Gator said:

 

You don't know the difference between international and domestic policy?

[bishopshodan]

56 minutes ago, Gator said:

When your POV is strictly left wing biased outlets it's no wonder. Some people really believe Trump is a Putin loving wannabe dictator.. And sad thing is I see exactly why they believe it.. Because they bought the BS and refuse to see otherwise even when faced with facts

 

 

Barack Obama has brains.

 

Sorry, I should type... Barack HUSSEIN Obama... so that you know who I'm talking about.

Edited 2 hours ago by bishopshodan

[Satchmo]

23 minutes ago, Gator said:

Not accept political bribes from donors special interests (atleast to the scale of other politicians)

 

Made NATO pay their fair share, and not having so much of that weight be put on the American tax payers 

 

Didn't take the $400k annual salary paid by American tax payers

 

Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east

 

Its not hard to do. I've said these things. You know these things. You just refuse to listen to these things because your head is so far up the left's ass lol. You're no different than a republican that is only voting Trump because he's a republican. 

 

I have on MANY occasions over this discussion admitted a lot of the bad about Trump. I watch news from all over. From CNN to Fox, to WION (Indian news channel) amongst other world wide networks. I don't put tunnel vision glasses on with the media like most seem to do. I don't watch it often, but I get a little bit from everywhere.. Interesting when you see the bias from other perspectives.. Apparently WIIN is a Russia bias network. Found that out after watching a video of it seeming like Russia was winning the war, just minutes after hearing the exact opposite from another network. Funny really. And the people watching these networks swear by these networks and REALLY believe in their hearts that they're being fed the whole truth and not being lied to.

 

Kinda like religion. Everyone believes their god is the right god and everyone else is crazy.

 

Both are just methods to brainwash the public for their own personal gain

Are you sure about that bribe stuff?   Can you provide proof either way?  You may also want to look into how much money the Trump organization made from US taxpayers. Or how much money Jared and Ivanka took in from the Saudis.  Or maybe this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-01-04/trump-took-7-8-million-in-foreign-cash-while-in-office-he-d-do-it-again

 

Trump did push NATO to pay more.  Didn't succeed in that attempt as much as Russia did though.

 

Trump did fairly well in the middle east. Every President does something after all. I'm sure Jared was in his ear from day one.

 

I wonder if Trump felt taking a Presidential salary meant that he'd be more likely to have to submit tax returns.  If not that, he does know the power of public relation campaigns and how good deferring his salary would look.  And, if you are raking in millions from foreign governments who needs 400K?

 

If we are back to talking religion - and for what reason I don't really know - Trump is the opiate of the people.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Satchmo

[bishopshodan]

36 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

I think you have to save up three box tops and then send away for the secret decoder ring....

 

I did that with my Action Man figurines. 

Got a sweet army raft.

[Gator]

41 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

I'm just asking you to name the top three things trump has done to benefit the average joe, in your own words.

 

Why is this so hard to do?

 

I then gave you 4.. Then you switched up your "wording" lol

 

Then you say that "none of that has an impact on daily American lives"

 

1 of those things being "Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east"

 

and the other 3 were mentioning money he was saving the American tax payers. If by "average joe" you mean Canadian maybe you're onto something. But hes running for POTUS not PM

 

I'm not entertaining foolishness lol

[Satchmo]

Just now, Gator said:

I'm not entertaining foolishness lol

Just promoting it. (lol)

[Bob Long]

13 minutes ago, Gator said:

 

I then gave you 4.. Then you switched up your "wording" lol

 

Then you say that "none of that has an impact on daily American lives"

 

1 of those things being "Willing to try and put an end to the conflict in the middle east"

 

and the other 3 were mentioning money he was saving the American tax payers. If by "average joe" you mean Canadian maybe you're onto something. But hes running for POTUS not PM

 

I'm not entertaining foolishness lol

 

So break down those numbers, what did that save the average American?

 

[Gator]

6 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Are you sure about that bribe stuff?   Can you provide proof either way?  You may also want to look into how much money the Trump organization made from US taxpayers. Or how much money Jared and Ivanka took in from the Saudis.  Or maybe this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-01-04/trump-took-7-8-million-in-foreign-cash-while-in-office-he-d-do-it-again

 

Trump did push NATO to pay more.  Didn't succeed in that attempt as much as Russia did though.

 

Trump did fairly well in the middle east. Every President does something after all. I'm sure Jared was in his ear from day one.

 

I wonder if Trump felt taking a Presidential salary meant that he'd be more likely to have to submit tax returns.  If not that, he does know the power of public relation campaigns and how good deferring his salary would look.  And, if you are raking in millions from foreign governments who needs 400K?

 

If we are back to talking religion - and for what reason I don't really know - Trump is the opiate of the people.

 

 

You hear about this stuff with every single politician. Not saying it's right, and I don't know the truth behind any of it, but my point is it's no different than the Hunter Biden/Ukraine stuff floating around. 

 

But outside of that media noise I see Trump being booed in the republican primaries. All by "donors and special interests". Ignore the mainstream shit and look at that moment.. Or the not taking the annual salary.. If he was so greedy why is he not taking all this free easy money? Even when he was running against Clinton you guys pushed the whole "Trump don't pay taxes" thing.. And he hilariously admitted to it and pointed out it's because the corrupt politicians had tax breaks for the billionaires just like him. You know, those people that care so much about the poor community

 

Am I supposed to believe these people that say Trump is corrupt when these are the same people trying to convince me that Trump is a Putin loving dictator that's trying to end democracy? .. The man that's has had the justice system thrown at him more than any other politician, and blatant extremist wording to media leading to assassination attempts on his life. Not to mention the VERY suspicious lack of skill from the highly trained US secret service team.. Yea there is just way too much out there for anyone to convince me this guy is just as corrupt as the other ones. There's a reason they're trying so hard to knock him out of favor, and I firmly believe it's because they cant completely control him like they can the others.

 

I don't think Trump is going to survive the 4 years tbh. He might get taken out before February if he's elected.. But I do think he's the only hope we got at not breaking out into a WW3.. and I really believe that's the agenda that has them so against Trump. The US wants this war. They've been preparing for it since the end of WW2