US Politics Thread

[the destroyer of worlds]

1 minute ago, The Lock said:

 

What exactly are you referring to as "Maoist tactics"? I'd be curious as to where you're getting such information in order to make you reach such conclusions.

Its gobbledygook.  They just throw boogeyman terms around without any real understanding as to what they are writing.  He probably won't provide a source because he probably heard in from Alex Jones or even worse, and Alex Jones wanna be.

[The Lock]

1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Its gobbledygook.  They just throw boogeyman terms around without any real understanding as to what they are writing.  He probably won't provide a source because he probably heard in from Alex Jones or even worse, and Alex Jones wanna be.

 

Well this is why I want to find out what's actually upsetting him. He kind of just made the most blanket statement without saying much of anything, so if I'm going to figure out what the problem is, I'm going to try and get more specific information out of him.

 

And if he doesn't supply that information, then he's just here to call the left communists without actually providing any reason why he thinks that. lol

[Rob Eh]

2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

What exactly are you referring to as "Maoist tactics"? Like what actual tactics are they using in the schools? I'd be curious as to where you're getting such information in order to make you reach such conclusions.

 

I'm just talking about a documentary about the cultural revolution i saw and some comments from people that grew up in that system, such as the kill all the birds policy, absolute madness. I also learned more about their tactics following certain feeds on X. There are pictures of students abusing their teachers, that isn't what's happening this time. The teachers are far leftists in all the universities and colleges and have literally created antifa. Like Jane Fonda in the 60's. It just dawned on me, they were inspired by Mao. "if you go showing pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow" 

Who was it that said that?

[The Lock]

2 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 

I'm just talking about a documentary about the cultural revolution i saw and some comments from people that grew up in that system, such as the kill all the birds policy, absolute madness. I also learned more about their tactics following certain feeds on X. There are pictures of students abusing their teachers, that isn't what's happening this time. The teachers are far leftists in all the universities and colleges and have literally created antifa. Like Jane Fonda in the 60's. It just dawned on me, they were inspired by Mao. "if you go showing pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow" 

Who was it that said that?

 

So what in the actual school system here is Maoist? What exactly are teachers here doing to "create Antifa?"

 

What EXACT actions are teachers doing over here that are "Maoist"?

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[RupertKBD]

What I learned on CFF today.....

 

Schools and Universities kill birds, so they won't eat all the Soy crops and we can all enjoy our fancy Lattes without fear of running out....

[Rob Eh]

14 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Its gobbledygook.  They just throw boogeyman terms around without any real understanding as to what they are writing.  He probably won't provide a source because he probably heard in from Alex Jones or even worse, and Alex Jones wanna be.

Some of it i learned from JBP, although i don't agree with much else beyond that subject.

It's good to actually listen to the words of a person rather than whats said about them before making a judgement.

I can see how he rubs many the wrong way though. 

 

He doesn't like nazi's either.

Nazi's were also socialists, they are more alike than any other political or financial system.

 

12 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

So what in the actual school system here is Maoist? What exactly are teachers here doing to "create Antifa?"

 

Let's forget about the Maoist part. What EXACT actions are teachers doing over here that are "Maoist"?

 

It's actually marxists and to learn more about it, just look at who the founders of BLM are. I don't mean the people that mean good in that group, i mean the charlatans that bought themselves a bunch of mansions instead of putting it into their communities. 'We are trained marxists' Communists that like to live fat like Bernie Sanders but trickle down less than Ronald Reagan.

 

 

 

[The Lock]

3 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

Some of it i learned from JBP, although i don't agree with much else beyond that subject.

It's good to actually listen to the words of a person rather than whats said about them before making a judgement.

I can see how he rubs many the wrong way though. 

 

He doesn't like nazi's either.

Nazi's were also socialists, they are more alike than any other political or financial system.

 

 

It's actually marxists and to learn more about it, just look at who the founders of BLM are. I don't mean the people that mean good in that group, i mean the charlatans that bought themselves a bunch of mansions instead of putting it into their communities. 'We are trained marxists' Communists that like to live fat like Bernie Sanders but trickle down less than Ronald Reagan.

 

 

 

 

You haven't answered my question. What are they exactly doing in schools that's marxist? You're just making statements rather than answering the question.

 

I'm trying to understand WHY you think the school system is marxist. I dont' care about receiving the same statement over and over again, I want to know why you feel that way.

 

If you can't answer my simple question, doesn't that even concern you a little bit that you might be nothing more than a puppet for right wing propaganda saying the left is marxist?

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Rob Eh]

8 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

What I learned on CFF today.....

 

Schools and Universities kill birds, so they won't eat all the Soy crops and we can all enjoy our fancy Lattes without fear of running out....

 

Or if you'd like to over simplify it further, Communist policies always cause starvation.

[The Lock]

6 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 

Or if you'd like to over simplify it further, Communist policies always cause starvation.

 

Kind of like the Florida policies created by Republicans that caused orange juice to go up 3 fold because they didn't want immigrants "stealing" jobs that other American's didn't want to do to begin with, causing a hike in labour cost to get the oranges off trees.

 

Maybe the Republicans are communist if all it takes to be a communist is starvation.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Gurn]

3 hours ago, Bob Long said:

 

I find this funny. I'd like to hear what Kennedy has for heart or cancer medicine replacements. 

 

Prayer, is my first guess.

[Rob Eh]

4 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

You haven't answered my question. What are they exactly doing in schools that's marxist? You're just making statements rather than answering the question.

 

I'm trying to understand WHY you think the school system is marxist. I dont' care about receiving the same statement over and over again, I want to know why you feel that way.

 

If you can't answer my simple question, doesn't that even concern you a little bit that you might be nothing more than a husk for right wing propaganda saying the left is marxist?

 Where did i say that? 

The left isn't marxist any more than the right is fascist, although i believe the far left is marxist and the far right is fascist at their most extremes, both.

 

 

[Gurn]

46 minutes ago, The Lock said:

here doing to "create Antifa?"

How and when did being anti-fascists become perceived as a bad thing?

[The Lock]

Just now, Rob Eh said:

 Where did i say that? 

The left isn't marxist any more than the right is fascist, although i believe the far left is marxist and the far right is fascist at their most extremes, both.

 

Where did you say that? Read your own words. We're talking about school systems and you referred them as being marxist.

 

You just referred to the school system as being "Maoist" and "creating Antifa". When I asked why you started referring to it as marxist.

 

You might not like the far right but the ideas you have just presented are what the far right are presenting. You might want to become aware of this unless if you want to go off the deep end. Just saying.

[The Lock]

4 minutes ago, Gurn said:

How and when did being anti-fascists become perceived as a bad thing?

 

Whether Antifa's good or bad is irrelevant in this conversation in my opinion. He's the one who brought Antifa up and I'm trying to understand why he thinks what he thinks overall.

 

Sadly enough, he hasn't provided that. He's only just continued to yell at clouds without providing an actual connection to what he dislikes.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Rob Eh]

1 minute ago, Gurn said:

How and when did being anti-fascists become perceived as a bad thing?

 

Thats a good thing, although being a marxist on the downlow while calling yourself antifa, is not a good thing.

The original antifa were created by the communist party in Germany, that was competing with the nazi's or National Socailst party which is literally what it meant in German.

Socialism could be very good in a free society but is a nightmare when used as a totalitarian tool, especially if you have corrupt or insane leadership, left or right. Both have shown what they are capable of in the incarnations of Hitler, Stalin and all the other tyrants that masquerade under these erroneous systems.

The Red Army actually starved their hockey players to punish them in the 70's. Authoritarianism creates bad people.

[The Lock]

Just now, Rob Eh said:

 

Thats a good thing, although being a marxist on the downlow while calling yourself antifa, is not a good thing.

The original antifa were created by the communist party in Germany, that was competing with the nazi's or National Socailst party which is literally what it meant in German.

Socialism could be very good in a free society but is a nightmare when used as a totalitarian tool, especially if you have corrupt or insane leadership, left or right. Both have shown what they are capable of in the incarnations of Hitler, Stalin and all the other tyrants that masquerade under these erroneous systems.

The Red Army actually starved their hockey players to punish them in the 70's. Authoritarianism creates bad people.

 

Curious, where do you think Biden is on the left-right spectrum? I'm not talking democrats overall, just Biden.

[the destroyer of worlds]

5 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 

Thats a good thing, although being a marxist on the downlow while calling yourself antifa, is not a good thing.

The original antifa were created by the communist party in Germany, that was competing with the nazi's or National Socailst party which is literally what it meant in German.

Socialism could be very good in a free society but is a nightmare when used as a totalitarian tool, especially if you have corrupt or insane leadership, left or right. Both have shown what they are capable of in the incarnations of Hitler, Stalin and all the other tyrants that masquerade under these erroneous systems.

The Red Army actually starved their hockey players to punish them in the 70's. Authoritarianism creates bad people.

The Nazis were socialist in the same way that the BC Liberals are/were liberal and the Liberal Party of Australia is liberal.  They have it in the name, but are FAR FAR from liberal.  

 

Political Science 101 or even Highschool level stuff.

[JIAHN]

18 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

I don't necessarily disagree but I hear this a lot. I'm curious what elements of the extreme left are we talking about? Specifically where in politics has any extreme left policy taken place, or for that matter gotten significant support enough to push people further to the right?

 

There are many examples of the extreme right currently in politics, book bans, abortion bans, gender affirming care bans, Jesus in school. What is the equivalent on the liberal side of politics that we should all fear? 

 

I am not saying I agree, but I think immigration is a huge one, where the far left applies pressure on the Dem party.....aka open policies, deportation, sanctuary cities, IMO, the further left you move the harder the support is. Of course this upsets alot of people who are centralists and anyone to the right.

[Satchmo]

6 minutes ago, Gurn said:

How and when did being anti-fascists become perceived as a bad thing?

I see your point.   I think part of the problem is that you can't really trust any group even if it has a catchy name that seems to denote something you believe in.   Lots of groups with the word Freedom and Liberty in their names come to mind, not just Antifa.

 

I am anti fascist. I am anti racist.  After that I have very little in common with Antifa and find them to be rabble without a cause.  Well, I might agree with some of their causes but not their means.

 

[Rob Eh]

4 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

Curious, where do you think Biden is on the left-right spectrum? I'm not talking democrats overall, just Biden.

I think he is more right than left in some of the policies and bills he's voted for in the past, much like Hillary Clinton. These are not good democrats, both voted for Bush's war on terror, both wanted to incarcerate you over a joint.

[The Lock]

2 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

I think he is more right than left in some of the policies and bills he's voted for in the past, much like Hillary Clinton. These are not good democrats, both voted for Bush's war on terror, both wanted to incarcerate you over a joint.

 

Okay, I can at least agree with that perspective.

 

I'm centrist myself I might add, but I view your "Maoist" talk as extremist if I'm being perfectly honest. Like that's not a centrist perspective.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Rob Eh]

33 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

Kind of like the Florida policies created by Republicans that caused orange juice to go up 3 fold because they didn't want immigrants "stealing" jobs that other American's didn't want to do to begin with, causing a hike in labour cost to get the oranges off trees.

 

Maybe the Republicans are communist if all it takes to be a communist is starvation.

 Didn't our government just do the same thing with every type of food. I paid over 40 bucks of tax for 160 worth of food. Where does all that tax money go, the god Gaia?

[The Lock]

3 minutes ago, Rob Eh said:

 Didn't our government just do the same thing with every type of food. I paid over 40 bucks of tax for 160 worth of food. Where does all that tax money go, the god Gaia?

 

Not that I know of. Inflation was going to happen anyway because of the aftermath of Covid, the Russia/Ukraine war, and everything else currently happening in the world.

 

What food did you buy to create a 25% tax on food? I've never had that happen to me.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Gurn]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

I see your point.   I think part of the problem is that you can't really trust any group even if it has a catchy name that seems to denote something you believe in.   Lots of groups with the word Freedom and Liberty in their names come to mind, not just Antifa.

 

I am anti fascist. I am anti racist.  After that I have very little in common with Antifa and find them to be rabble without a cause.  Well, I might agree with some of their causes but not their means.

 

George Carlin qoute

If firefighters fight fire, and 

crime fighters fight crime,

what do freedom fighters fight?

[Rob Eh]

7 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

The Nazis were socialist in the same way that the BC Liberals are/were liberal and the Liberal Party of Australia is liberal.  They have it in the name, but are FAR FAR from liberal.  

 

Political Science 101 or even Highschool level stuff.

 What high school did you go to? They ran on Socialist and Nationalist policies since their economy was crippled after WW1. Socialism doesn't always mean rainbows and skittles commercials, sometimes it means forced labour camps.