Bob Long Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: The problem with Rodgers is that he's smart, but not as smart as he thinks he is. He makes the narcissistic mistake of thinking that he's the smartest guy in any room that he's in. Those kind of people inevitably get found out. For Rodgers, it was when he became a weekly guest on Pat McAfee's show. Don't know the reference to the show but I'll assume it's some kind of conspiracy fest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Gnarcore said: Not everyone on the list went full Prince Andrew. For fucks sake Stephen Hawking is on it. Seriously though, I guarantee any controversial name on that list will be considered "guilty until proven innocent". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, Bob Long said: Don't know the reference to the show but I'll assume it's some kind of conspiracy fest. Nope. Sports talk show with the Colts' former punter Pat McAfee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, Sabrefan1 said: Nope. Sports talk show with the Colts' former punter Pat McAfee. Ah. Tbh the NFL bores me, never watched regularly at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Eh Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Jimmy Kimmel Threatens Aaron Rodgers With Lawsuit After Quarterback Suggests Host Was on Epstein’s List https://www.mediaite.com/media/jimmy-kimmel-threatens-aaron-rodgers-with-lawsuit-after-quarterback-suggests-host-was-on-epsteins-list/ Jimmy Kimmel @jimmykimmel Dear Aasshole: for the record, I’ve not met, flown with, visited, or had any contact whatsoever with Epstein, nor will you find my name on any “list” other than the clearly-phony nonsense that soft-brained wackos like yourself can’t seem to distinguish from reality. Your reckless words put my family in danger. Keep it up and we will debate the facts further in court. @AaronRodgers12 If he wasn't guilty, he'd just sue him. Viacom would sue him, he's a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rob Eh said: If he wasn't guilty, he'd just sue him. Viacom would sue him, he's a liar. So your boy Agent Orange must be guilty of everything he's being sued for then, right? Edited January 3 by King Heffy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Pretty sure the lefties won't back anyone on that list. I mean the flight logs have been out since the Maxwell trial naming Prince whatsiznutz, Clinton, Dershowitz, Trump, et al but the one that really pisses me off is ex-US (Democrat) Senator George Mitchell. His name shows up a few times on the flight logs and he’s one of the guys named by Virginia Giuffre who claims that she was sex-trafficked to while underage. Meanwhile Mitchell was the head of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia compensation fund for clergy sex abuse victims. That’s gross. I’m not excusing Clinton or Trump if they were involved in some way but nether of them would register as a surprise in the least, so it’s a bit of a yawner where they’re concerned. So far as I know Barry’s name never showed on the logs nor was it even whispered in the Maxwell trial. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: The non-MAGA are waiting to pounce even though Trump has already testified in court years ago that he's been there. I'm not a Trump fan by any means, and I'm worried about what he could do in a second term, but I'm also not blind. Each side will have excuses for their favorite names. When did Trump testify in court? I can't seem.to find any info on this. The thing about Epstein is he was considered a legitimate businessman for many years. I'm sure many celebrities, politicians, and the like, were in his presence without any knowledge or participation in his nefarious activities. Being on the list doesn't make anyone automatically guilty but the pitchforks are already out regardless. That being said, Trump and Epsteins relationship is well documented. Everyone seems to want anyone on that list to face justice but somehow his bff gets a free pass? Not to mention the very credible case of the 14 year old who stated Epstein introduced her the Trump and the 2 passed her around on multiple occasions. If anyone knew of Epsteins crimes Trump did. Hell, even hired the guy who gave Epstein his sweetheart deal to avoid federal crimes, as his Secretary of Labour. You hear the Obamas might have been on his plane and you can't wait to buy in on the conspiracy but the orange guy gets a free pass? I don't get it. Edited January 3 by JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanleyCupOneDay Posted January 3 Popular Post Share Posted January 3 (edited) On 12/31/2023 at 5:38 AM, Gurn said: Basic question is- despite all the multitude of background noise: How does the upcoming US election for President look? And rough numbers for congress and senate? That’s not a basic question, like, at all lol. I could spend 10 pages of comments here going over everything and still not make a dent. There’s thousands of far more experienced political analysts working on the answer to those questions and even they don’t know. There’s dozens of various factors that are effecting the elections upcoming that we know of now and many more to come in the next year we’ve never heard of yet. That said, I’ll do my best to give a basic overview and reasons behind it. In short: Presidential race is Tossup, House is Tossup (but Tilt D if a certain outcome in NY happens), Senate is Lean R (but Tossup IF 2 certain Republicans get nominated). If that sounds strange, welcome to hyperpolarized politics where nothing could ever move a voter from their preferred party. 85-90% of voters are locked in before anyone decides to run and before any campaign begins. Where I think it ends up? President: 2020 Biden + NC, House: Tilt D, Senate: Tossup. President: If I had to predict right now I’d say a 276-262 Biden victory with him winning MI/NV/PA/WI. Trump wins AZ/GA/NC. Those are the 7 states that are going to be battlegrounds in 2024. Michigan has a very popular Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer and a large suburban population, which has been trending away from Republicans since 2016. The state party has competent leadership and flipped the state to a trifecta for Democrats for the first time in 40 years in 2022. It also has a GOP party so divided they regularly get into actual fist fights with each other needing police called. Conspiracy theorist Kristina Karamo leads the state party which is broke. Lean D Trends in Nevada are bad for Democrats and many have it flipping to Trump, but they have two aces up their sleeve there that has been the difference maker and I expect will do so again. Tilt D. First it has the Harry Reid Machine still kicking. Harry Reid is regarded as a Democratic Jesus in Nevada due to his vaunted political machine there. When Republicans netted 6 Senate seats, 6 Governorships and 63 House seats in the 2010 red tsunami, Dem Senator Harry Reid from Nevada miraculously survived by 6 points. The Berniecrats took over the state party and created a mess badly, so Democrats ran shadow operation campaigns in 2022, but they have now been kicked out of power once again leaving the party in The Reid Machine’s hands. Second it has The Culinary Union. It’s a labor organization representing 60,000 members working for the various restaurants, hotels, laundries and casinos in Las Vegas. They have a vast volunteer army to knock doors for Democrats every cycle and it pays off hugely. Take, for example last year’s Senate race in 2022. Not only did they secure thousands of votes that needed verification to count after the election was held, but they were instrumental in turning a Trump +5 voting electorate into a D+1 Senate vote. Pennsylvania has an extremely popular Governor Josh Shapiro to boost Democrats and the 2023 elections in November showed disaster for Republicans in the suburbs. Here, it’s a bit different, there isn’t a superstar Dem state party or a whacko GOP state party, but the rurals are now completely maxed out for Republicans, which makes any shifts to Democrats elsewhere very difficult to offset. Suburban former GOP stronghold counties flipped in 2023 for the Democratic Supreme Court nominee as well as local offices. Longtime GOP strategists were panicked and blunt: “If these 2023 trends show again in 2024, it’ll be nearly impossible for Republicans to win”. I expect they are right and these will show up as the suburbs have moved left every cycle since 2016 except the 2021 red wave. Wisconsin has only elected a Republican statewide in a D vs R race 4 times since 2016, Democrats have won 13 times. Tilt D. Ben Wikler has done a phenomenal job as the former MoveOn director now state party chair. He’s turned the state party into a fundraising juggernaut, raising tens of millions for Democrats with creative and unique fundraising drives like getting all former cast members of The Princess Bride together for an online meet and greet. The biggest problem for Republicans in the state though are 3 counties: Waukesha, Ozaukee and Washington, commonly referred to as the WOW. They’re literally where the GOP was born in the state and had been resistant to the leftward shift in other suburban areas. Not anymore. In the 2023 State Supreme Court election if you removed the votes from either Milwaukee or Dane County (Madison) where Democrats get huge margins and votes from, Republicans still would have lost that race. Congress: Republicans have gerrymandered North Carolina after winning control of the State Supreme Court overruling a past ruling the court made under Democrats in 2022, netting them 3 seats. Democrats will gain 1 seat in Alabama and likely another in Louisiana making the net gains almost break even before a vote is cast. However, if the newly progressive State Supreme Court sided with Democrats after a redraw process has been ordered, Democrats could net 6-7 seats in NY, which would make them the slight favorites to flip it. Way too many seats to go over, but problematic R nominees are running again potentially keeping winnable districts off the board for them even if NY doesn’t allow a gerrymander. Tossup for now. Senate: The fact Democrats even have any chance at all to hold the Senate is emblematic of the consistent problems Republicans have had nominating electable mainstream candidates. If they don’t nominate Matt Rosendale in Montana and/or Bernie Moreno in Ohio, they’re favored to flip the Senate. Dem Senator Brown and Dem Senator Tester are strong incumbents, but this may be finally the year that polarization catches up to them in their Trump voting states. If they do, however nominate those two, it’s a pure Tossup for control. Republicans have already picked up 1 seat with Dem Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia retiring. They need 1 more or for Trump to win to have control. The other states of MI, NV, PA and WI have Dems favored with strong incumbents/candidates and/or potentially bad GOP challengers to make them favored to hold them. Arizona Democrat turned Independent Senator Sinema hasn’t decided whether to run for re-election or not and once again Republicans are nominating a candidate who is still relitigating the 2022 election as the real Governor of Arizona Kari Lake in the courts. Dems will nominate Ruben Gallego a progressive Marine Latino veteran. A pure Tossup race regardless of what Sinema decides. Control of the Senate, Lean R for now. In case people think this is far too long of a post, this is the smallest, most abridged version I can make. I never even went into what would/could affect these races (economy, inflation, gas prices, retirements, abortion, guns, crime, foreign policy, border etc.) or any Congress seats, so yes, this is the short version. Edited January 3 by StanleyCupOneDay 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Nope, not at the bottom yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: You hear the Obamas might have been on his plane and you can't wait to buy in on the conspiracy but the orange guy gets a free pass? I don't get it. I'm not in lockstep with everyone about Trump being the antichrist, so I'm suddenly giving him a free pass? I've made it abundantly clear that I'm not a Donald Trump fan. He's a fraudster. Always has been. I've been well aware of the guy most of my life. I'm just not ready to yet say for sure that he is 100% guilty of being a pedophile. I have also said he worries me as a 2nd term president insofar as he doesn't have to worry about re-election. He'll have all but carte blanche to do as he pleases at the federal level. He wouldn't make the same mistake twice and not give himself a pardon before he leaves office. He'll in essence be a dictator for 4 years if he so chooses to be. I just have little to no doubt that people will slam dunk on Trump and others being on the flight log, but will give any name that they like excuses up the arse. If I haven't yet made it clear to you and others; I can't stand partisan politics. It enables the crooks and liars in government who then turn around and enable the crooks and liars who pay them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 31 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Nope, not at the bottom yet. That's demonstrably false. Insurrection is specifically written into the Constitution. The lawmakers at the time wanted to keep political power from the current and any future rebels. As a lawyer, she has to realize that. You can't pass a BAR exam and not know all of the amendments. I would think that they come up once or twice both indirectly and directly... The question in front of the courts right now is, did Donald Trump's actions constitute insurrection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: That being said, Trump and Epsteins relationship is well documented. Everyone seems to want anyone on that list to face justice but somehow his bff gets a free pass? Not to mention the very credible case of the 14 year old who stated Epstein introduced her the Trump and the 2 passed her around on multiple occasions. Is this what you're referring to? Quote During the 2016 election, an anonymous woman filed and then dropped a lawsuit accusing Trump of raping her at a party hosted by Epstein in 1994, when she was just 13-years-old. Trump denied the allegations as being “categorically false,” and reporters have also deemed the account to be potentially unreliable, as it was shopped to the media by fringe figures that included a former Jerry Springer producer. According to Vox, the sole journalist who was able to interview the anonymous accuser, “came away confused and even doubting whether [she] really exists.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: When did Trump testify in court? I can't seem.to find any info on this. This one I think I may be misremembering years later. Trump was on the list to testify against Epstein, but as far as I can find, Trump was actually never called to the stand. He banned Epstein from MAGA Central (Mar-A-Lago) in 2008 for hitting on/trying to pick up a member's teenage daughter. My guess is they already were angry with one another over Trump having pulled a fast one on Epstein with the purchase of a mansion Epstein had told him about in which Trump bought out from under him and then resold for millions in profit. Trump just needed an excuse. That's likely why Trump was never called to the stand to testify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) I know this is shocking.... but the Epstein list release has been delayed again. ... Just rip the friggin' Band-Aid off already for crying out loud. Eventually the unnamed John and Jane Does will be named and the redacted names will be unredacted. Delaying it further will just make people angry. Edited January 3 by Sabrefan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: Is this what you're referring to? I've never seen that particular criticism, got a link? Keep in mind this was well before Epstein became public enemy number one so that alone adds credibility in my opinion. The story was corroborated by by the girl who brought her to the party as well. I realize the suit was dropped but so was basically every accusation ever brought against trump, or Epstein for that matter. Money and power solves a lot of legal issues. Not to mention the threat of having your life ruined by the q qlux qlan. I'm just saying, anyone prone to conspiracy theories, who wants to cast judgement on anyone on this list, should probably start with the rapey orange guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 48 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: I've never seen that particular criticism, got a link? Keep in mind this was well before Epstein became public enemy number one so that alone adds credibility in my opinion. The story was corroborated by by the girl who brought her to the party as well. I realize the suit was dropped but so was basically every accusation ever brought against trump, or Epstein for that matter. Money and power solves a lot of legal issues. Not to mention the threat of having your life ruined by the q qlux qlan. I'm just saying, anyone prone to conspiracy theories, who wants to cast judgement on anyone on this list, should probably start with the rapey orange guy. Don't get me wrong. If a 16 year old Ivanka look-a-like met Trump at Mar-A-Lago and he thought he could get away with it, I'd bet my bottom dollar that he'd mount her like a dog. I just have my doubts that he'd do it on a semi-public island. Nobody is surprised though that Bill Clinton is said to have visited that Island many times. Sadly his little brain always beats out the big one. It's sad because he was a fairly good president. My only beef with him as president was his further pushing of the Reagan era globalization plan. I think I snagged that quote from that semi-popular at the time Esquire article from a few years ago. Lemme check my browser history and I'll grab you the link and edit it in. *edit* Here's the old Esquire link that made moderate waves a few years back. Follow the word link in that article that points to a Washington Post article about when Trump screwed over Epstein to turn a few million bucks profit. If that story goes how I remember it from years ago, it's funny because it further shows that Trump will screw over anybody and everybody he knows for cash. https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a32784116/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-connection-friendship-explained/ Edited January 3 by Sabrefan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 A liberal activist is suing in Pennsylvania to keep another Republican off of the voting ballot. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lawsuit-aims-to-keep-pennsylvania-congressman-off-ballot-over-constitution-s-insurrection-clause/ar-AA1mn9nX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3327792361a84d57aedbcbe2fc8713bb&ei=14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I think it's worth pointing out that although there are credible reports of underage girls at Epstein's parties, that doesn't automatically make anyone on the list a pedophile. AFAIK, there were plenty of consenting adults present as well. It doesn't make Epstein or Maxwell any less of a scumbag, but it also doesn't prove attendees had sex with underage women. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) Apparently the "list" is being dropped today with the exception of John Doe 107 which is still being challenged through the courts... EDIT: Doe 107 is apparently a female. Doe 110 has also filed an appeal... Edited January 3 by Elias Pettersson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 18 hours ago, Rob Eh said: If he wasn't guilty, he'd just sue him. Viacom would sue him, he's a liar. LOL...Trump threatens to sue everyone and never does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Epstein pals breathe sigh of relief as report suggests new files won't incriminate https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-2666861943/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) Dan Crenshaw Hits Back At ‘F*cking Clown’ Jesse Watters: ‘He Cheated on His Wife and Then Left Her With Twins’ https://www.mediaite.com/news/dan-crenshaw-hits-back-at-fcking-clown-jesse-watters-he-cheated-on-his-wife-and-then-left-her-with-twins/ Edited January 3 by The Arrogant Worms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 What goes around comes around.....a religious bigot who refused to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple, now owes them $360k.... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/us/ex-kentucky-official-kim-davis-who-denied-same-sex-marriage-licenses-owes-over-360-000-after-new-ruling/ar-AA1mq6OX?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=1250647a451341f1aec9ec320481a003&ei=22 Karma is a bitch....almost as much of a bitch as Kim Davis..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_Nuck Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 24 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Epstein pals breathe sigh of relief as report suggests new files won't incriminate https://www.rawstory.com/jeffrey-epstein-2666861943/ Names I fully expect to be on the list; Austin matthews Mitch Marner William Nylander Jonathan Tavares Justin Woll Ryan Reaves Tyler Bertuzzi Mark Giordano Nazeem Kadri Jonathan Huburdeau ….. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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