US Politics Thread

[BlockerHigh]

Just now, Alflives said:

DemocRATS and rePUGlcanS. I took a bit of poetic license for the Pugs. 

Yes I believe for the most part it’s a uniparty 

 

the usa is run by companies / lobbyists and oligarchs- we all know this.

 

the issue has been most people believed it was still a democracy Because they vote

 

The problem is, both parties play the “role” but don’t represent the people they represent their oligarchs and special interests as this is how they get elected and also get rich.

 

one must ask, how is it that career politicians make 170k per year, yet are worth 20, 40, 100 mil or more. It’s obvious 

 

it’s kickbacks and promises for when they leave office 

 

They go on tv, they tweet faux outrage, but never do anything to upset to status quo. 
 

now look how they attacked the tea party, then trump from BOTH SIDES!

 

It’s because those groups wanted to upset the apple cart and stop the grift of American taxpayers. they are a threat to the grift and thus both sides don’t want their gravy train to stop, so they attack.

 

they call MaGa “extreme” and populism racist! Yet Maga is simply putting American taxpayers (white, brown, black Americans) first, why is this an issue? It’s economic nationalism, it’s not racist.

Populism means “for the people” and you have so called liberals screaming to remain owned by oligarchs and their useful idiot politicians who get rich off us. 
 

the us govt has been funded by continuing resolutions since the 90’s with omnibus bills. What this means is congress when it can’t agree, which is always, just kicks the can down the road by funding the ask with the “intention” to fix it next time. Omnibus bills are Multi topic bills, volumes of pages, like 1000’s given to congress a day before a vote. Clearly, that’s not enough time to consider where all the money is going nor offer amendments. 

 

this is taxpayer money. They don’t read the bills, they are written by lobbyist  lawyers, and then money goes all over and some eventually gets kicked back to politicians in their foundations, PACs, and book and movie deals when they’re done.

 

Today,  Biden called Gaetz and other republicans “extreme” because Gaetz has said it’s time to stop this practice. It’s time to fund bills individually, allow congress to read them, debate in committees and add amendments as they are SUPPOSED to do, this is their job. This is extreme to Biden and the media. Why? Because they won’t be able to grift money in a huge bill that no one can read and comment on before a vote. 
 

this is also how they say “oh the GOP didn’t want to pay vets! (As an example)  It’s one big package so if the GOP doesn’t want to send 200 mil to pakistan for “gender studies” (true story this happened), they are then branded as bad because they block the bill.  No they’re trying to stop taxpayer grift.

 

Not so simple as extreme republicans bad now is it? 
 

 

[RupertKBD]

2 hours ago, BlockerHigh said:

trump Russia was a hoax

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

 

Quote

 

Donald Trump Jr has been forced to release damning emails that reveal he eagerly embraced what he was told was a Russian government attempt to damage Hillary Clinton’s election campaign.

The stunning disclosure raised questions over whether campaign laws were broken and why senior Trump associates failed to report a hostile act by a foreign power.

Trump Jr also admitted on Tuesday night that he could have handled the situation better but he had not told his father about meeting a Russian lawyer because “it was a nothing”.

The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.

British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”

In a later email, Goldstone describes the Russian lawyer they are due to meet, Natalia Veselnitskaya, as a “Russian government attorney”.

 

 

[BlockerHigh]

6 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

 

 

Dude 

 

posting articles from 2017

when after 2017 Clinton was proven to have paid for the steele dossier and was fined for it, doesn’t seem to support your position. 
 

my god let it go. You’re wrong deal with man. Part of life is learning you can be wrong. 
 

good god, people here can’t even accept factual reality 

Edited September 29, 2023 by BlockerHigh

[RupertKBD]

2 hours ago, Rob Eh said:

What about RFK jr?

It seems like the MSM is doing every thing in its power to silence him. 

He's what a liberal was like in the 60's. Free speech advocate and anti-war. My how things change.

 

What about JFK Jr.? Seems like a lot of your compadres are still hanging around Deeley Plaza waiting for him to come back from the dead....

 

...but it's us "liberals" who have been hoodwinked....

[BlockerHigh]

8 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

 

 

Go read the Durham report ok?

 

you’ll learn more than your google searches trying to get the one that makes you say “gotcha!”

 

I’m so done with this nonsense 

[RupertKBD]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Who exactly are “they”? 

 

The "Deep State"....

 

It's the dipshit version of the monster under the bed.....

[Playoff Beered]

1 hour ago, Cerridwen said:

Crud, now you've made me think of Brad Marchand......

 

 

 

Is he a Democrat by any chance?

 

Just realized, we have our own Raty

[RupertKBD]

14 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

Dude 

 

posting articles from 2017

when after 2017 Clinton was proven to have paid for the steele dossier and was fined for it, doesn’t seem to support your position. 
 

my god let it go. You’re wrong deal with man. Part of life is learning you can be wrong. 
 

good god, people here can’t even accept factual reality 

 

Posting articles from 2017 about something that happened before the 2016 election? I think that absolutely relevant.

 

I'll let nothing go. You've got zero facts to back up your idiotic claims, and everyone in the thread knows it. You keep posting completely debunked theories as if they are facts, as if none of us have been down this stupid road before.

 

You've got nothing new and believe me when I say, everyone here (with the possible exception of Rob Eh) thinks you're either a troll or a moron....

[RupertKBD]

20 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

Go read the Durham report ok?

 

you’ll learn more than your google searches trying to get the one that makes you say “gotcha!”

 

I’m so done with this nonsense 

 

No you're not. You'll keep spouting this foolishness until you eventually get banned and then you'll come back as a different poster, spouting the same garbage.

[Playoff Beered]

43 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

I’m so done with this nonsense 

 

So you keep saying...yet...here you are

[the destroyer of worlds]

52 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

Go read the Durham report ok?

 

you’ll learn more than your google searches trying to get the one that makes you say “gotcha!”

 

I’m so done with this nonsense 

No, why don't you post a link and tell us what appropriate pages support your claim.

 

Supposedly you've done the research, so it shouldn't be that hard for you to provide us NPCs with the appropriate links so we can see for ourselves if the thing actually says what you say it does.

 

You could also post links to more recent articles that support your claims, rather than just pointing out the dates of the articles that are posted that retort your claims.

 

It is called intellectual honesty.

[BlockerHigh]

4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

No, why don't you post a link and tell us what appropriate pages support your claim.

 

Supposedly you've done the research, so it shouldn't be that hard for you to provide us NPCs with the appropriate links so we can see for ourselves if the thing actually says what you say it does.

 

You could also post links to more recent articles that support your claims, rather than just pointing out the dates of the articles that are posted that retort your claims.

 

It is called intellectual honesty.

I have made about 20+ posts here with links. Perhaps when you join in on a conversation,  read back to the start- it helps

 

 

[Playoff Beered]

2 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

I have made about 20+ posts here with links. Perhaps when you join in on a conversation, read back to the start- it helps

 

Yes you have posted a bunch of "Stuff" None of which shows in any way that an Impeachable crime was committed.

We want the slam dunk proof, then if it shows up I will gladly cheer to see Biden or anyone else regardless of political party get removed from office.

So show us the parts of the report that has you convinced that this has any merit. Specifically, cite the appropriate pages to read please.

[the destroyer of worlds]

48 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

I have made about 20+ posts here with links. Perhaps when you join in on a conversation,  read back to the start- it helps

 

 

You made claims about the individuals who wired Hunter money were Chinese spies, yet never posted any supporting sources when you made them.  The tweet I responded to that you posted refuted itself within the article.   

 

You have yet to post any there there.

 

Yes, Hunter is a F-up.

 

Yes, Hunter got paid lots for very little. 

 

Yes, Hunter is Joe's son.

 

The QOP and by extension you have yet to provide any evidence that money went to Joe and what Joe then provided in return. 

 

Do not mention the laptop crap because the chain of custody is so bad, not a single court in any Western democracy would allow it to be admitted into evidence.   Not Canada.  Definitely not the USA.

 

It's the reason why Rudy isn't making an appearance.  It's the reason why Tucker lost his copy in the mail.  

 

Give us the goods and provide your sources.   Or bye bye.

 

Been posting in the US politics thread in one form since the 2016 primaries, like a number of posters here.  You aren't the first to be all hat and no cattle.  

 

 

[BlockerHigh]

15 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

You made claims about the individuals who wired Hunter money were Chinese spies, yet never posted any supporting sources when you made them.  The tweet I responded to that you posted refuted itself within the article.   

 

You have yet to post any there there.

 

Yes, Hunter is a F-up.

 

Yes, Hunter got paid lots for very little. 

 

Yes, Hunter is Joe's son.

 

The QOP and by extension you have yet to provide any evidence that money went to Joe and what Joe then provided in return. 

 

Do not mention the laptop crap because the chain of custody is so bad, not a single court in any Western democracy would allow it to be admitted into evidence.   Not Canada.  Definitely not the USA.

 

It's the reason why Rudy isn't making an appearance.  It's the reason why Tucker lost his copy in the mail.  

 

Give us the goods and provide your sources.   Or bye bye.

 

Been posting in the US politics thread in one form since the 2016 primaries, like a number of posters here.  You aren't the first to be all hat and no cattle.  

 

 

FBI form 1023

 

look it up and find out who falls under a a 1023 

 

a known and paid and therefore trusted informant 

 

also this “give us the goods” or bye bye argument is funny 

 

I’ve posted endless links, I’ve informed where and how to look for info related to what I’m saying as well 

 

If you expect me to lay out all the oversight committee evidence here (on top of what I’ve posted in multiple threads already) and all their arguments here, you know bloody well a) I don’t have it all b) I’ve spent a good 2 years following this and reading on it and it would take years to write reports on it .

 

You are welcome to read my past posts, look at the links, go to the oversight committee Twitter and read their files etc

 

if your game is “picture or it didn’t happen” this is childish and a way to avoid doing some simple research that I’ve pointed you to for the simple fact you don’t want to see it.

 

go read my past posts and in particular go read the GOP house judiciary and oversight twitters.

 

You will have weeks of information to assess

 

 

thanks 

Edited September 29, 2023 by BlockerHigh

[Playoff Beered]

1 minute ago, BlockerHigh said:

FBI form 1023

 

look it up and find out who falls under a a 1023 

 

a known and paid informant 

 

also this “give us the goods” or bye bye argument is funny 

 

I’ve posted endless links, I’ve informed where and how to look for info related to what I’m saying as well 

 

If you expect me to lay out all the oversight committee evidence here and their arguments here, you know bloody well a) I don’t have it all b) I’ve spent a good 2 years following this and reading on it and it would take years to write reports on it .

 

You are welcome to read my past posts, look at the links, go to the oversight committee Twitter and read their files etc

 

if your game is “picture or it didn’t happen” this is childish and a way to avoid doing some simple research that I’ve pointed you to. 

OK, how about tell us what search term to use to find this irrefutable evidence you speak of because the stuff you posted so far ain't it. Please be specific.

[BlockerHigh]

1 minute ago, Playoff Beered said:

OK, how about tell us what search term to use to find this irrefutable evidence you speak of because the stuff you posted so far ain't it. Please be specific.

How old are you?

 

Do you not think that the house oversight Twitter accounts I’ve linked wouldn’t be a good idea to go peruse? 
 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by BlockerHigh

[UnkNuk]

2 hours ago, BlockerHigh said:

Yes I believe for the most part it’s a uniparty 

 

the usa is run by companies / lobbyists and oligarchs- we all know this.

 

the issue has been most people believed it was still a democracy Because they vote

 

The problem is, both parties play the “role” but don’t represent the people they represent their oligarchs and special interests as this is how they get elected and also get rich.

 

one must ask, how is it that career politicians make 170k per year, yet are worth 20, 40, 100 mil or more. It’s obvious 

 

it’s kickbacks and promises for when they leave office 

 

They go on tv, they tweet faux outrage, but never do anything to upset to status quo. 
 

now look how they attacked the tea party, then trump from BOTH SIDES!

 

It’s because those groups wanted to upset the apple cart and stop the grift of American taxpayers. they are a threat to the grift and thus both sides don’t want their gravy train to stop, so they attack.

 

they call MaGa “extreme” and populism racist! Yet Maga is simply putting American taxpayers (white, brown, black Americans) first, why is this an issue? It’s economic nationalism, it’s not racist.

Populism means “for the people” and you have so called liberals screaming to remain owned by oligarchs and their useful idiot politicians who get rich off us. 
 

the us govt has been funded by continuing resolutions since the 90’s with omnibus bills. What this means is congress when it can’t agree, which is always, just kicks the can down the road by funding the ask with the “intention” to fix it next time. Omnibus bills are Multi topic bills, volumes of pages, like 1000’s given to congress a day before a vote. Clearly, that’s not enough time to consider where all the money is going nor offer amendments. 

 

this is taxpayer money. They don’t read the bills, they are written by lobbyist  lawyers, and then money goes all over and some eventually gets kicked back to politicians in their foundations, PACs, and book and movie deals when they’re done.

 

Today,  Biden called Gaetz and other republicans “extreme” because Gaetz has said it’s time to stop this practice. It’s time to fund bills individually, allow congress to read them, debate in committees and add amendments as they are SUPPOSED to do, this is their job. This is extreme to Biden and the media. Why? Because they won’t be able to grift money in a huge bill that no one can read and comment on before a vote. 
 

this is also how they say “oh the GOP didn’t want to pay vets! (As an example)  It’s one big package so if the GOP doesn’t want to send 200 mil to pakistan for “gender studies” (true story this happened), they are then branded as bad because they block the bill.  No they’re trying to stop taxpayer grift.

 

Not so simple as extreme republicans bad now is it? 
 

 

 

Even if someone agrees with what you say in the first part of your post, why do you think Trump would be the one to correct it?

 

I can see supporting Bernie Sanders.   But Trump?

[BlockerHigh]

Just now, UnkNuk said:

 

Even if someone agrees with what you say in the first part of your post, why do you think Trump would be the one to correct it?

 

I can see supporting Bernie Sanders.   But Trump?

Trump ran on draining the swamp

 

he was naive thinking he could just go in and people would listen, not understanding how deep the swamp / uniparty is

 

he’s been attacked for 8 years, it’s personal now. 
 

Bernie sold out, Hilary and the DNC forced him not to run and he accepted it. Now he has 4 multi million dollar homes and claims he’s against the rich… he’s a champagne socialist like the rest of them 

[Playoff Beered]

12 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

How old are you?

 

Do you not think that the house oversight Twitter accounts I’ve linked wouldn’t be a good idea to go peruse? 

 

I want what YOU specifically found in the report that makes you think impeachment proceedings are warranted, since you followed it so closely and all.

[the destroyer of worlds]

10 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

FBI form 1023

 

look it up and find out who falls under a a 1023 

 

a known and paid and therefore trusted informant 

 

also this “give us the goods” or bye bye argument is funny 

 

I’ve posted endless links, I’ve informed where and how to look for info related to what I’m saying as well 

 

If you expect me to lay out all the oversight committee evidence here (on top of what I’ve posted in multiple threads already) and all their arguments here, you know bloody well a) I don’t have it all b) I’ve spent a good 2 years following this and reading on it and it would take years to write reports on it .

 

You are welcome to read my past posts, look at the links, go to the oversight committee Twitter and read their files etc

 

if your game is “picture or it didn’t happen” this is childish and a way to avoid doing some simple research that I’ve pointed you to for the simple fact you don’t want to see it.

 

go read my past posts and in particular go read the GOP house judiciary and oversight twitters.

 

You will have weeks of information to assess

 

 

thanks 

Let's just go with that 1023.  A confidential human source relaying the unverified allegations of a Ukrainian business executive. 

 

 

[UnkNuk]

17 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

Trump ran on draining the swamp

 

he was naive thinking he could just go in and people would listen, not understanding how deep the swamp / uniparty is

 

he’s been attacked for 8 years, it’s personal now. 
 

Bernie sold out, Hilary and the DNC forced him not to run and he accepted it. Now he has 4 multi million dollar homes and claims he’s against the rich… he’s a champagne socialist like the rest of them 

 

Trump may have run on draining the swamp but why would you think he would actually fullfil his promises?

 

As for Bernie, for what I've quickly googled, his net worth is somewhere around $3 million.  Which, admittedly, is a large amount of money.  But it pales in comparison to the ultra-wealthy who he is criticizing.

 

Trump, meanwhile, depending on who you believe, is a self-proclaimed billionaire.  Why would anyone expect a billionaire to drain the economic swamp?

[BlockerHigh]

8 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Let's just go with that 1023.  A confidential human source relaying the unverified allegations of a Ukrainian business executive. 

 

 

Next time try using google 

 

It’s amazing I found it in 2.3 seconds 

 

Do you have a job? What do you do when your boss asks you to find something? 

 

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/grassley-obtains-and-releases-fbi-record-alleging-vp-biden-foreign-bribery-scheme

[BlockerHigh]

3 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

 

Trump may have run on draining the swamp but why would you think he would actually fullfil his promises?

 

As for Bernie, for what I've quickly googled, his net worth is somewhere around $3 million.  Which, admittedly, is a large amount of money.  But it pales in comparison to the ultra-wealthy who he is criticizing.

 

Trump, meanwhile, depending on who you believe, is a self-proclaimed billionaire.  Why would anyone expect a billionaire to drain the economic swamp?

Fair questions

 

Bernie isn’t running 

As I said, it’s gone from a narrative for votes to personal. 
 

[UnkNuk]

4 minutes ago, BlockerHigh said:

As I said, it’s gone from a narrative for votes to personal.

 

Sorry, I'm not sure what that means.