Wiggums Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Thank you Biden for helping aid get through Mexico into the Gaza strip! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, DSVII said: Haha Carlson has been a well known TV personality since his CNN days, everyone knows him well. And you can follow his actions all the way to Fox. Not a falling out, but the guy is known as a partisan hack that seeks ratings through division. That's been his playbook for two decades. Fox News had to make a legal argument that Tucker is an entertainer and no sane person would take him seriously to avoid being sued (it only worked up to an extent). So i'll stand by that definition. Like I said in other posts here, Tucker follows the money and was definitely what I call a "news actor" at both CNN and Fox. When he was at CNN, I couldn't stand "Crossfire" for that reason among others. I think with his new venture, he's trying to get attention by being a "rebel" journalist. I'm not a Carlson fan, but I can at least watch him now whereas I couldn't stand him at CNN. By the time he was at Fox, I just mostly caught clips of his Fox show on YouTube. These days I can only watch the news acting in bite sized pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 If I missed someones post and you'd like a response, please let me know. I was carrying on a few conversations while trying to keep up with the notification bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: Apparently you know Carlson extremely well... Did you guys have a falling out at some point in the past? *sarcasm, I'm not being mean* Swanson TV dinners gave me some really horrible bowel movements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Swanson TV dinners gave me some really horrible bowel movements. Swanson still makes TV dinners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Sabrefan1 said: Swanson still makes TV dinners? Past tense was my experience (and yes, I know Tucker's mommy has little to do with Swanson today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said: Past tense was my experience (and yes, I know Tucker's mommy has little to do with Swanson today) You're one up on me. I had no idea she ever had anything to do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Sabrefan1 said: You're one up on me. I had no idea she ever had anything to do with them. I vaguely remember her being an heiress of some type to that "empire". Tucker was born on third base with Barry Bonds on the on deck circle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: Presidents can pardon themselves. They have unfettered pardoning power at the federal level. The DoJ ruled on that while he was still president. He asked them to look into it when he was considering pardons for himself and his family. Funny thing is, one of his aides convinced him not to because it would "tarnish his legacy". I could barely type that last part without laughing. I think it will be safe to say that whoever gave him that advice won't be serving in his second administration if he is re-elected. Actually, we don't really know because it really hasn't happened. Although the pardoning powers are explicit in the fact that the POTUS cannot pardon for state crimes or impeachment, US law and the Constitution is quiet on the subject. The DOJ in 1974 ruled that no one can be judge of their own case, so that should put a presidential self-pardon as a no. This is likely why Nixon didn't self-pardon and had Ford do it. The acceptance of pardons is potentially a guilty plea. You can only receive a pardon for something that has already happened. You cannot issue a pardon for murder, then go murder. It's the opposite. I still stand by what I said. TRUMP will try a self-pardon. That pardon will be challenged. The Supreme Court will have to rule and will be setting actual precedent in the case for all time. I have a feeling that the self-pardon will be ruled as a no. Shooting someone on 5th Ave and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Actually, we don't really know because it really hasn't happened. Although the pardoning powers are explicit in the fact that the POTUS cannot pardon for state crimes or impeachment, US law and the Constitution is quiet on the subject. The DOJ in 1974 ruled that no one can be judge of their own case, so that should put a presidential self-pardon as a no. This is likely why Nixon didn't self-pardon and had Ford do it. The acceptance of pardons is potentially a guilty plea. You can only receive a pardon for something that has already happened. You cannot issue a pardon for murder, then go murder. It's the opposite. I still stand by what I said. TRUMP will try a self-pardon. That pardon will be challenged. The Supreme Court will have to rule and will be setting actual precedent in the case for all time. I have a feeling that the self-pardon will be ruled as a no. Shooting someone on 5th Ave and such. At some point, I'll Google and see if I can find the articles where the DoJ said that a president could pardon himself. Some Democrats even flipped out and considered trying to pass a law removing that power, but from what I can remember, some of the Democrat leadership wasn't on board with that idea which scuttled any attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post the destroyer of worlds Posted February 9 Popular Post Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, Wiggums said: Thank you Biden for helping aid get through Mexico into the Gaza strip! Welcome to Historic Logan International Airport. Established in 1771. Was an important base of operations for the British Air Force during the Revolutionary war. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Sabrefan1 said: At some point, I'll Google and see if I can find the articles where the DoJ said that a president could pardon himself. Some Democrats even flipped out and considered trying to pass a law removing that power, but from what I can remember, some of the Democrat leadership wasn't on board with that idea which scuttled any attempt. Here's the 1974 memo https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: The acceptance of pardons is potentially a guilty plea. You can only receive a pardon for something that has already happened. You cannot issue a pardon for murder, then go murder. It's the opposite. You can issue a dated blanket pardon, or at least try to. So if you murdered someone in office on federal grounds in the District of Columbia, gave yourself a pardon, you technically shouldn't be charged with it according to DoJ. Although the Congress and DC district attorneys would try and appeal to the courts to nullify that pardon for sure. Once a case hits the Supreme Court, they can interpret the Constitution differently than the DoJ and being a co-equal branch of government can overrule the DoJ every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Nixon didn't want to take that chance. Trump would in a heartbeat. Quote I still stand by what I said. TRUMP will try a self-pardon. That pardon will be challenged. The Supreme Court will have to rule and will be setting actual precedent in the case for all time. I 100% agree. Quote I have a feeling that the self-pardon will be ruled as a no. Shooting someone on 5th Ave and such. I 75% disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 21 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Here's the 1974 memo https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download Thanks. If you can find the Trump DoJ memo, please post that also. *edit* Nevermind. You logged off. I'll see if I can find it. I have a few minutes to kill. Edited February 9 by Sabrefan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Here's the 1974 memo https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download This article refutes the assertion that the 1974 memo disqualifies a president from pardoning himself. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2018/06/11/president-trumps-self-pardon-power-debate-will-continue/?sh=11aec542770a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Here's the 1974 memo https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download This article I actually remember reading 6 years ago. It has differing opinions on a Trump self-pardon. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/04/here-is-what-9-experts-say-about-whether-president-trump-can-pardon-himself.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 15 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Here's the 1974 memo https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download I think that if the court takes up the immunity case Trump is appealing to them, that will give strong hints if not outright answers to the extent of a president's powers as far as criminality goes and his ability "to get away with it". He has so much riding on that case, including his freedom and the possibility of being able to finish his second term as president. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Ex-Prosecutor Rips Special Counsel’s ‘Entirely Inappropriate’ Attack On Biden Andrew Weissmann said Robert Hur’s report was “exactly what you’re not supposed to do.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/andrew-weissmann-robert-hur-joe-biden_n_65c59eefe4b0fb721d607b76 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 You Must See Tucker Carlson’s Constipated Look When Vladimir Putin Mocks Him The Russian president took a jab at Carlson’s past, and the fired Fox News host didn’t seem to find it funny. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucker-carlson-vladimir-putin-cia_n_65c5fd44e4b093b2e7834185 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Trump Poses With UFC Fighter Known For Virulently Homophobic Rant https://www.mediaite.com/sports/trump-poses-with-ufc-fighter-known-for-virulently-homophobic-rant/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Evangelicals’ Trump Worship Looks More Like QAnon Every Day https://www.thedailybeast.com/evangelicals-trump-worship-looks-more-like-qanon-every-day?ref=home?ref=home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 44 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Trump Poses With UFC Fighter Known For Virulently Homophobic Rant https://www.mediaite.com/sports/trump-poses-with-ufc-fighter-known-for-virulently-homophobic-rant/ How dumb do you have to be to watch American History X and come away worshipping neo-Nazi ideology? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The whole self-pardon and presidential immunity arguments have a flaw. The President has no real power to prevent impeachment. If the President has self-pardon power and/or is immune from prosecution, then impeachment is the only "punishment". It has powerful consequences for a 1st term POTUS as they can be barred from a 2nd term or holding any public office in the US. The flaw is what happens if in the final days of a President's 2nd term in office, they commit a crime. After that day, they can no longer run for POTUS. Any other office would be a demotion. There is no time for Congress to impeach said President and the Senate to have the impeachment trial. At best it would be a ceremonial exercise if Congress does impeachment after the President has left office. In essence, the POTUS would be above the law, free to break any and all laws. Hell, it could even happen almost at any time in a 2nd term as there really isn't any tangible penalty involved for being impeached in the 2nd term besides the stain of that President's legacy and their premature removal from office. They would essentially be exempt from any and all criminal justice. The opposite of what any reasonable founding father intended. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 I think the fact that we're so glibly discussing the idea of a POTUS being able to pardon himself for a criminal conviction....and noting that the reason for discussion being that such a scenario has never happened in the 250 years of the Republic and not specifically covered by the Constitution, should tell us everything we need to know about Donald Trump. People are treating it as a normal topic of conversation, even though it would considered an absolutely absurd idea in any other first world country on earth.... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: Answering questions during an interview controlled by said journalist is called journalism. Are you suggesting ticket had control of the questions he was asking Putin or if the direction of the interview? Really? Just gonna softball this suggestion. Why would Tucker who has spoken numerous times about Russia being let off the hook or of Ukraine surrendering or if Putin being misunderstood be granted an unprecedented one on one interview when tens of thousands of western journalists can't even reach his director of media? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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