NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 But Sleepy Joe is older! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: But Sleepy Joe is older! It's sad that these two guys are the best the US could put forward. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 22 hours ago, DSVII said: I want to pose a question to those who are on the 'both sides' spectrum of this (i.e both sides are equally egregious) What are your thoughts on project 2025? As far as I know, only one side is pushing for this. There is no DNC equivalent of this. Project 2025 is a paper published by the Heritage foundation which is training up the staff for the next Republican administration, it is frightening what they are planning on doing once they resume power. The heritage foundation is a strong think tank of the Republican party and Trump has endorsed and implemented their recommendations in his last term. And despite all the lies in everything the Republicans are saying, I believe what they are telling me here. https://www.project2025.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025#:~:text=The plan proposes slashing U.S.,Departments of Education and Commerce. Full 900 page document for those who want to read it. This is straight from their own sites and their own words chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf These folks know how to long term plan, Roe vs Wade and the conservative supreme court was a decades long project that culminated recently. So this should be taken very seriously. The first Trump presidency was a surprise to everyone, and these folks were not prepared to implement everything they had planned and Trump was roadblocked by a lot of the checks and balances of the office and the gridlock that ensued. This plan resolves to correct that and subscribes to the theory the president has absolute power on the executive branch. It is based on Unitary Executive Theory that Article 2 of the constitution gives the President the ability to do whatever they want. And Hamilton's interpretation of executive theory but taken to the extreme. Some points of this plan: Using a mechanism known as schedule F to fire 50,000+ federal employees and fill them with Republican loyalists, regardless of merit, purely ideological political beliefs and loyalty and recognizing the President as the ultimate authority. Those replaced are in the most part, career civil servants who upheld the law, regular government workers who pointed out to Trump in his first term that his actions weren't legal. Dismantle and defund the DOJ and FBI, break up the department of homeland security, education, commerce, health and human services The White House takes full control of the agencies like FCC and FTC (Trade and Communications). (Basically if you want to compete and get a broadcast license? Tow the fox news line) Anti-Climate change progress plan, the EPA is a target for dismantling and de-toothing. Trump rolled back 100+ environmental regulations in his first term, Biden came back and rolled those back, this would undo all of that and more. All Federal agencies are directly controlled by the president rather than being independent, power is consolidated into the hands of the president Put into policy all the culture war bs, every single state will be able to publish their version of revisionist history Prosecutions of anyone who distributes abortion pills by mail (backdoor to national ban) It's about domination, religion and control, not life. While sex and sexual discrimination is allowed, religious views on traditional marriage, gender and sexuality will be strictly protected and enforced Recommendations to reform education, voting rights, immigration on Christian biblical based ideologies This is an excerpt from 2025 : "The next conservative President must make the institutions of American civil society hard targets for woke culture warriors. This starts with deleting the terms sexual orientation and gender identity (“SOGI”), diversity, equity, and inclusion (“DEI”), gender, gender equality, gender equity, gender awareness, gender-sensitive, abortion, reproductive health, reproductive rights, and any other term used to deprive Americans of their First Amendment rights out of every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists." I.e Use the stones to destroy the stones (Freedom of speech to destroy freedom of speech) Eliminate the word 'gender', LGBT protections, edit title 7 of the civil rights act (can't discriminate on gender/sexuality) in all government departments (Mike Johnson, the current speaker, is on record for saying Homosexuality is deviant and should be punishable by law) Full Criminalization of Pornography - absolutely outlawed, people who produce and distribute it to be imprisoned, librarians and educators who 'supply it' should have their institutions closed and registered as sex offenders (this includes books that don't have pictures but explicit details), telecommunications and tech firms that facilitate the spread of what is deemed pornography is done. (bye bye Netflix?) From the wiki In November 2023, The Washington Post reported that deploying the military for domestic law enforcement under the Insurrection Act would be an "immediate priority" upon a second Trump inauguration in 2025. That aspect of the plan was being led by Jeffrey Clark, a Trump co-defendant in the Georgia election racketeering prosecution and an unnamed co-conspirator in the federal prosecution of Trump for alleged election obstruction. Clark is a senior fellow at the Center for Renewing America, a Project 2025 partner.[40] The plan also reportedly includes directing the DOJ to pursue those Trump considers disloyal or political adversaries. After the Post story was published online, a Heritage spokesman said there were no plans related to the Insurrection Act or targeting of political enemies within Project 2025 Miles Taylor’s book, Blowback, discusses how Trump was already chipping away at the guardrails of the executive branch during his reign of error, and how this was only going to get worse as time goes on. Recommended reading. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 59 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Trump threatens the biggest stock market crash in HISTORY if he loses to Biden and claims there are five things the DOJ could investigate Haley for in wild speech to MAGA fans before South Carolina primary https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13119241/Trump-threatens-biggest-stock-market-crash-HISTORY-loses-Biden-claims-five-things-DOJ-investigate-Haley-wild-speech-MAGA-fans-South-Carolina-primary.html This tells me there are 5 more things the DOJ could investigate Trump on. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 20 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Trump Stumbles Through Bonkers Rant About ‘Evil’ Joe Biden ‘Persecuting Christians’ — And Migrants Pouring Over ‘Steak Mountain’ https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-stumbles-through-bonkers-rant-about-evil-joe-biden-persecuting-christians-and-migrants-pouring-over-steak-mountain/ My knockers team is devastated by the news. Where, when, why who and what are we going to knock now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 18 hours ago, Gurn said: I'm hoping for a quick, reduced price sale, and move on to the next sellable asset. Some rich Trump ball licker will pay too much for it just to Lord it over Trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Right Mike. Human rights, other than the right to bear arms, are a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Trump Tells Black Conservatives His Criminal Charges Are ‘Why the Black People Like Me’ https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-tells-black-conservatives-his-criminal-charges-are-why-the-black-people-like-me/ Trying to build up his street cred for his post political career as Pumpkin Spice, rapper extraordinaire.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, PistolPete13 said: Miles Taylor’s book, Blowback, discusses how Trump was already chipping away at the guardrails of the executive branch during his reign of error, and how this was only going to get worse as time goes on. Recommended reading. Yep. While both candidates aren't great, at least if Biden is elected a better candidate can be voted for in 4 years. Trump is trying to ensure that 2024 is the last election in the USA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Bob Long said: @Master Mind when Poilievre starts talking about being a bathroom defender, people see him following this kind of US pattern So someone in another country says something, and the assumption is that Pierre will do the same? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Just now, Master Mind said: So someone in another country says something, and the assumption is that Pierre will do the same? Yes, when our conservative leaders follow the US playbook so closely, absolutely there is cause for concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Master Mind said: So someone in another country says something, and the assumption is that Pierre will do the same? Well, PP and his fellow CONs are pushing a lot of the same talking points that MAGAts have been pushing for some time. It's not hard to connect the dots 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: Yes, when our conservative leaders follow the US playbook so closely, absolutely there is cause for concern. Just now, the destroyer of worlds said: Well, PP and his fellow CONs are pushing a lot of the same talking points that MAGAts have been pushing for some time. It's not hard to connect the dots I often see on these boards complaints about conservatives fear mongering. Kind of feels like that's what you guys are doing by jumping to those conclusions. Sharing some beliefs doesn't mean sharing all beliefs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 (edited) 4 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Well, PP and his fellow CONs are pushing a lot of the same talking points that MAGAts have been pushing for some time. It's not hard to connect the dots "Parents rights", porn IDs, religious freedom, anti-lgbtq+, book bans, bathroom monitoring ,it's all there and used by the CPC nearly verbatim. @Master Mind Edited February 24 by Bob Long 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 ‘I Am a Dissident!’ Trump Calls Biden ‘Threat to Democracy’ In CPAC Rant Over Indictments and Al Capone https://www.mediaite.com/trump/i-am-a-dissident-trump-calls-biden-threat-to-democracy-in-cpac-rant-over-indictments-and-al-capone/ Because the fact is, Joe Biden is a threat to democracy. He really is a threat to democracy. I stand before you today, not only as your past and hopefully future president, but as a proud political dissident. I am a dissident. Remember this: I’ve been indicted more than Alfonse Capone, Mr. President. Do you know who that is? Even the president just said I do. Scarface, Al Capone. If he had dinner with you and he didn’t like the smile on your face, he thought you were mocking him by smiling, you would be dead before you got home and said hello to your wife. And Alphonse Capone I have. I got indicted four times by this gang of thugs for nothing. Or, as I say respectfully to the people from foreign countries for bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: "Parents rights", porn IDs, religious freedom, anti-lgbtq+, book bans, bathroom monitoring ,it's all there and used by the CPC nearly verbatim. @Master Mind Again, sharing some beliefs doesn't mean sharing all beliefs. I also think some of these are being oversimplified, and some made out to be a bad thing when I think there's more nuance to it. Of course there will be overlap, and you can think Pierre will do everything anyone in the US does, but I don't think that'll be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 19 hours ago, Warhippy said: The predictable nature of new accounts who immediately flood the OT sections top 3 or 4 threads with the same tired predictable statements has to get old for the mods eventually. Maybe it's a Beetlejuice thing. We said the name of some old CDC politics posters and all of a sudden, they appear. Speaking of which, there's a sequel of that movie coming out later this year. Sadly Baldwin and Davis aren't in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 30 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Again, sharing some beliefs doesn't mean sharing all beliefs. I also think some of these are being oversimplified, and some made out to be a bad thing when I think there's more nuance to it. Of course there will be overlap, and you can think Pierre will do everything anyone in the US does, but I don't think that'll be the case. Please expand your thoughts. What parts are over simplified? What is more nuanced? Forgive me, but I think you are sidestepping a bit here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 7 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Please expand your thoughts. What parts are over simplified? What is more nuanced? Forgive me, but I think you are sidestepping a bit here. What am I sidestepping? I've previously stated my thoughts on the parents rights and porn id on how those can be helpful to some. Not sure it's worth reopening those discussions as I'd just be repeating myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 59 minutes ago, Master Mind said: Again, sharing some beliefs doesn't mean sharing all beliefs. I also think some of these are being oversimplified, and some made out to be a bad thing when I think there's more nuance to it. Of course there will be overlap, and you can think Pierre will do everything anyone in the US does, but I don't think that'll be the case. Hope you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I'd rather teenage boys watch professionally made porn instead of recording girls without their consent and sharing it. The latter is going to become more common as a direct consequence of conservatives being so concerned about what Little Johnny is doing in the bathroom for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 10 minutes ago, Master Mind said: What am I sidestepping? I've previously stated my thoughts on the parents rights and porn id on how those can be helpful to some. Not sure it's worth reopening those discussions as I'd just be repeating myself. Never mind. Sorry to bug you. I'm pondering something but I'll just let it sit for a bit to while I decide if it's worth bringing up (or even a valid observation). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 I'm reading a lot lately about potential running mates for Trump and I'm interested to see what people's thoughts are. (and which you think will be chosen) According to most pundits the top candidates are: Tim Scott Vivek Ramaswamy Ron DeSantis Elise Stefanik Kristi Noem Tulsi Gabbard Byron Donalds IMO, the two most likely would be Stefanik or Donalds. Firstly, I think anyone who ran against Trump for the Republican nomination is automatically starting from deep hole. Even though Scott and Ramaswamy immediately endorsed Trump after dropping out of the race, (and in the case of Scott, in the most cringeworthy fashion) Trump demands complete loyalty and running against him is a big drag on their chances. Gabbard or Noem would probably be good candidates, but I think they're unlikely. Trump doesn't want anyone who can take even a little bit of the spotlight away from himself. TG and KN shine a bit too brightly for Dotard's liking. That leaves, IMHO, the two most likely candidates: Donalds and Stefanik. neither is likely to take any of the focus away from Trump and both have be obsequiously loyal. My guess is that he goes with Stefanik. Or maybe he goes completely off the board......thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 BTW, anyone else catch the shite attendance for this year's CPAC? One reporter said they've seen "better attended Tupperware parties".... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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