the destroyer of worlds Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 18 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Random note from the prison nerd here. 'Behind bars' is becoming an old school term. 'Behind solid metal door with small plexy window ' is more accurate. Most prisons/jails have done away with bars. The reason is makes sense, and is one of the grossest things about corrections. I bet you can guess....think about what some monkeys fling sometimes... Yep. Naked apes do it too. I subscribe to Larry Lawton on YouTube. Ya, some nasty concoctions can get flung at guards. Have a pissed off guy with issues locked up in a cell for hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: Trump will have checks and balances on him if he goes back to office. As a 2nd term president, he's also short on time to do anything long term. Add to that, that he's going to be preoccupied with his revenge tour for a year or more and he won't even really be the person running the show day to day during his revenge, his aides and cabinet will be handling the day to day dredge of keeping the executive branch going, not him. This right here should have you way more concerned than it appears to. After the first 4 years of unrelenting shit show who is going to serve in his Cabinet? No one with an ounce of integrity will step into that clown car. There will be no General Kelly as Chief of Staff. There will be no Jim Mattis as Secretary of Defence. Your Press secretary will be Laura Loomer or reasonable facsimile. Your Secretary of Commerce will be Mike Lindell or reasonable facsimile. Secretary of Education will be Marjory Taylor Greene or reasonable facsimile. Every single sycophant with an agenda will lining up to rip your country apart for personal gain/fame and the "orange clown" (your words) will be far too busy with his revenge tour to even see what's going on. This would be where the elder statesman in the GOP step in to right the ship. Too bad they have all proven to be spineless followers. There is no Barry Goldwater in there anymore. What you are left with is unrelenting partisans like Mitch McConnell who's response to the Alito upside down flag flying was a stern "it's time to leave the Supreme Court alone'. Which is the Senate equivalent of 'f@%$ off'. You know 100% if Sotomayor had done that he'd be on Fox screaming bloody murder. Where do you expect these weasels to you? Your happiness with the status quo sounds far more like apathy than patriotism. It's like the constant nonsense has beaten you into submission. Edited May 28 by nuckin_futz 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 You want an idea the path the QOP is on, look to the Texas QOP. One of the proposals that they voted on for their State Party policy platform is to require candidates for statewide office is to not only win a majority of the vote, but to also win a majority of counties. Effectively blocking Democrats for holding state office like Governor. But hey, TRUMP as POTUS isn't going to be a disaster. Except Alito and Thomas could retire, allowing TRUMP to appoint a couple more Justices that would be on the court for DECADES. How did that end up working out last time??? https://www.newsweek.com/texas-gop-amendment-would-stop-democrats-winning-any-state-election-1904988 Texas GOP Amendment Would Stop Democrats Winning Any State Election 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: This right here should have you way more concerned than it appears to. After the first 4 years of unrelenting shit show who is going to serve in his Cabinet? No one with an ounce of integrity will step into that clown car. There will be no General Kelly as Chief of Staff. There will be no Jim Mattis as Secretary of Defence. Your Press secretary will be Laura Loomer or reasonable facsimile. Your Secretary of Commerce will be Mike Lindell or reasonable facsimile. Secretary of Education will be Marjory Taylor Greene or reasonable facsimile. Every single sycophant with an agenda will lining up to rip your country apart for personal gain/fame and the "orange clown" (your words) will be far too busy with his revenge tour to even see what's going on. This would be where the elder statesman in the GOP step in to right the ship. Too bad they have all proven to be spineless followers. There is no Barry Goldwater in there anymore. What you are left with is unrelenting partisans like Mitch McConnell who's response to the Alito upside down flag flying was a stern "it's time to leave the Supreme Court alone'. Which is the Senate equivalent of 'f@%$ off'. You know 100% if Sotomayor had done that he'd be on Fox screaming bloody murder. Where do you expect these weasels to you? Your happiness with the status quo sounds far more like apathy than patriotism. It's like the constant nonsense has beaten you into submission. Yeah, I think Sabre might have missed the collection of sycophants who lined up like the fugliest Miss America pageant in history to act as Trump's proxies, parroting his bullshit about the NY trial. They even dressed like him, FFS.... Even the fucking Speaker of the House showed up and lied through his teeth about the trial, because he knows one word from Bone Spurs and he's out as Speaker. There isn't an ounce of spine, nor integrity in all of these jellyfish combined. Why would anyone actually believe that they'll do anything besides exactly what Trump wants? Naivete at it's finest.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: This right here should have you way more concerned than it appears to. After the first 4 years of unrelenting shit show who is going to serve in his Cabinet? No one with an ounce of integrity will step into that clown car. There will be no General Kelly as Chief of Staff. There will be no Jim Mattis as Secretary of Defence. The President doesn't have the last say on who is in his cabinet, the Senate does. If the Democrats keep control of the Senate, they will be the ones who ultimately make the final choice on who serves under Trump. Quote Your Press secretary will be Laura Loomer or reasonable facsimile. Your Secretary of Commerce will be Mike Lindell or reasonable facsimile. He can have Mickey Mouse as his spokesperson for all the good a WH spokesperson is these days. They're all paid deceivers. Quote Every single sycophant with an agenda will lining up to rip your country apart for personal gain/fame and the "orange clown" (your words) will be far too busy with his revenge tour to even see what's going on. This has been happening to the US for decades now. Politicians are loyal to their party, not the people. Quote This would be where the elder statesman in the GOP step in to right the ship. Too bad they have all proven to be spineless followers. There is no Barry Goldwater in there anymore. What you are left with is unrelenting partisans like Mitch McConnell who's response to the Alito upside down flag flying was a stern "it's time to leave the Supreme Court alone'. Which is the Senate equivalent of 'f@%$ off'. You know 100% if Sotomayor had done that he'd be on Fox screaming bloody murder. Where do you expect these weasels to you? Your happiness with the status quo sounds far more like apathy than patriotism. It's like the constant nonsense has beaten you into submission. Yep. That's why I worry much more about 1 party control than I worry about if Trump gets elected. 1 party control can hurt a country badly. A split government assures that nobody gets too powerful. The only thing I worry about a Trump presidency is a Republican lock on the legislative branch along with it. Then it's domestic policy that will concern me much more than foreign policy. Edited May 28 by Sabrefan1 typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: The President doesn't have the last say on who is in his cabinet, the Senate does. If the Democrats keep control of the Senate, they will be the ones who ultimately make the final choice on who serves under Trump. Have you taken a look at the Senate map going into the election? He can have Mickey Mouse as his spokesperson for all the good a WH spokesperson is these days. They're all paid deceivers. Perception matters. Turning the Briefing Room into a straight up hostile circus matters. This has been happening to the US for decades now. Politicians are loyal to their party, not the people. So let's turn it into overdrive until it breaks? Yep. That's why I worry much more about 1 party control than I worry about if Trump gets elected. 1 party control can hurt a country badly. A split government assures that nobody gets too powerful. Especially when that party is the Trump Party? Enough can be done via Executive Order. You seem wholly unconcerned about every spineless GOP member falling in line behind a complete goofball. The only thing I worry about a Trump presidency is a Republican lock on the legislative branch along with it. Then it's domestic policy that will concern me much more than foreign policy. This man stole nuclear secrets and war plans against Iran and stored them at the open end of a ballroom where events were hosted and stored the rest of them next to a toilet. Then obstructed justice in his effort to keep them. Only to be told by his sycophants that he innocently "likes to collect souvenirs". You should be far more concerned about that then you appear to be. There's far more to fear with a 2nd Trump term than united government. But if you refuse to see it that's your prerogative. The President doesn't have the last say on who is in his cabinet, the Senate does. If the Democrats keep control of the Senate, they will be the ones who ultimately make the final choice on who serves under Trump. Have you taken a look at the Senate map going into the election? He can have Mickey Mouse as his spokesperson for all the good a WH spokesperson is these days. They're all paid deceivers. Perception matters. Turning the Briefing Room into a straight up hostile circus matters. This has been happening to the US for decades now. Politicians are loyal to their party, not the people. So let's turn it into overdrive until it breaks? Yep. That's why I worry much more about 1 party control than I worry about if Trump gets elected. 1 party control can hurt a country badly. A split government assures that nobody gets too powerful. Especially when that party is the Trump Party? Enough can be done via Executive Order. You seem wholly unconcerned about every spineless GOP member falling in line behind a complete goofball. The only thing I worry about a Trump presidency is a Republican lock on the legislative branch along with it. Then it's domestic policy that will concern me much more than foreign policy. This man stole nuclear secrets and war plans against Iran and stored them at the open end of a ballroom where events were hosted and stored the rest of them next to a toilet. Then obstructed justice in his effort to keep them. Only to be told by his sycophants that he innocently "likes to collect souvenirs". You should be far more concerned about that then you appear to be. There's far more to fear with a 2nd Trump term than united government. But if you refuse to see it that's your prerogative. Edited May 28 by nuckin_futz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, bishopshodan said: Random note from the prison nerd here. 'Behind bars' is becoming an old school term. 'Behind solid metal door with small plexy window ' is more accurate. Most prisons/jails have done away with bars. The reason is makes sense, and is one of the grossest things about corrections. I bet you can guess....think about what some monkeys fling sometimes... Yep. Naked apes do it too. One of the funniest parts in Silence of the Lambs. lol. Didnt know they actually did that! Edit: oops. SOTL threw white, not brown. Hahahah Edited May 28 by D.B Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, D.B Cooper said: One of the funniest parts in Silence of the Lambs. lol. Didnt know they actually did that! It's really rare but it sometimes happens on 'complex care' units. IMO, lots of those folks should be in psychiatric hosptials but there are not a lot of those facilities left. Also, on occasion, in seperate confinment units, what we used to call segragation or 'the hole'. It's pretty sad, we are actually trained on how to open doors/ stand to make sure we are safe. An industry slang term for some of these creative slingers and smearers is ....Poocassos 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 33 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: The President doesn't have the last say on who is in his cabinet, the Senate does. If the Democrats keep control of the Senate, they will be the ones who ultimately make the final choice on who serves under Trump. Have you taken a look at the Senate map going into the election? Hopefully it will change in the next 6 months. Quote He can have Mickey Mouse as his spokesperson for all the good a WH spokesperson is these days. They're all paid deceivers. Perception matters. Turning the Briefing Room into a straight up hostile circus matters. Not in this case any longer. That press briefing room lost most of it's credibility years ago. Quote This has been happening to the US for decades now. Politicians are loyal to their party, not the people. So let's turn it into overdrive until it breaks? It's going to break if it keeps heading in the direction that it is. It will only speed up and break faster if one party takes complete control. Quote Yep. That's why I worry much more about 1 party control than I worry about if Trump gets elected. 1 party control can hurt a country badly. A split government assures that nobody gets too powerful. Especially when that party is the Trump Party? Enough can be done via Executive Order. You seem wholly unconcerned about every spineless GOP member falling in line behind a complete goofball. The GOP doesn't like Trump this time around. They tolerate him because they have no choice. Executive orders can be slowed down in court. That will be up to the Democrats to do. If the Democrats do their job, Trump will be slowed. Quote The only thing I worry about a Trump presidency is a Republican lock on the legislative branch along with it. Then it's domestic policy that will concern me much more than foreign policy. This man stole nuclear secrets and war plans against Iran and stored them at the open end of a ballroom where events were hosted and stored the rest of them next to a toilet. Then obstructed justice in his effort to keep them. Only to be told by his sycophants that he innocently "likes to collect souvenirs". You should be far more concerned about that then you appear to be. There's far more to fear with a 2nd Trump term than united government. But if you refuse to see it that's your prerogative. It has since come out that other presidents have done the same thing. The current president took boxes of secrets and he wasn't even supposed to as a Vice-President. Then he lost track of them to boot. He broke the same laws as the Orange clown, but won't be prosecuted because of his current age and infirmities. Honestly, I was worried much more about a DeSantis presidency waaay more than I fear a Trump presidency. DeSantis is liked by the GOP and is more conservative than Trump. DeSantis would have tried to undo much of what still works in government. Trump is going to be a split 2 term president who will only have a limited amount of time to do much of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 20 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: It has since come out that other presidents have done the same thing. The current president took boxes of secrets and he wasn't even supposed to as a Vice-President. Then he lost track of them to boot. He broke the same laws as the Orange clown, but won't be prosecuted because of his current age and infirmities. This is incorrect. Trump is facing charges because he attempted to deceive the National Archives and keep the documents, after he was asked (several times) for their return. If he had acted in the same manner as Joe Biden, (or Mike Pence for that matter) he would not be under Indictment for retaining classified materials. BTW: "Age and Infirmities" have nothing to do with it. That was Robert Hur currying favor with the Republican base. The real reason no charges were brought is because Biden co-operated with authorities. Trump, OTOH, had his lawyers lie about the documents and had his employees transport them to New Jersey.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 13 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: This is incorrect. Trump is facing charges because he attempted to deceive the National Archives and keep the documents, after he was asked (several times) for their return. If he had acted in the same manner as Joe Biden, (or Mike Pence for that matter) he would not be under Indictment for retaining classified materials. BTW: "Age and Infirmities" have nothing to do with it. That was Robert Hur currying favor with the Republican base. The real reason no charges were brought is because Biden co-operated with authorities. Trump, OTOH, had his lawyers lie about the documents and had his employees transport them to New Jersey.... Not to mention Trump sharing those secrets with the Saudis. He's lucky he isn't facing the death penalty for treason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: This is incorrect. Trump is facing charges because he attempted to deceive the National Archives and keep the documents, after he was asked (several times) for their return. If he had acted in the same manner as Joe Biden, (or Mike Pence for that matter) he would not be under Indictment for retaining classified materials. BTW: "Age and Infirmities" have nothing to do with it. That was Robert Hur currying favor with the Republican base. The real reason no charges were brought is because Biden co-operated with authorities. Trump, OTOH, had his lawyers lie about the documents and had his employees transport them to New Jersey.... It is correct. It's just that Trump would have likely gotten some grace had he not been an asshole and just returned the papers once he got caught. Technically both former and current presidents broke the law and they both could and maybe should face the same music. It's just that the former president made law enforcement chase him and the papers down. One thing that really makes the justice system angry is when you run or lie and obstruct. Once you piss off the people that can charge you with crimes, they'll look to get you for everything you did. Trump's learning that the hard way and is counting on both the election and the SCOTUS to pull him out of the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 8 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: It is correct. It's just that Trump would have likely gotten some grace had he not been an asshole and just returned the papers once he got caught. Technically both former and current presidents broke the law and they both could and maybe should face the same music. It's just that the former president made law enforcement chase him and the papers down. One thing that really makes the justice system angry is when you run or lie and obstruct. Once you piss off the people that can charge you with crimes, they'll look to get you for everything you did. Trump's learning that the hard way and is counting on both the election and the SCOTUS to pull him out of the fire. Oh, is that all? Your "both sides" shtick is ridiculous....The two acts are light years apart, but you're so determined to defend your "I'm not concerned about Trump" stance, you'll bend over backwards to try and paint Biden as equally as bad.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Oh, is that all? Your "both sides" shtick is ridiculous....The two acts are light years apart, but you're so determined to defend your "I'm not concerned about Trump" stance, you'll bend over backwards to try and paint Biden as equally as bad.... Dont know if the feds had to 'chase him (Trump ) down' like Sabre mentions but evading/running from cops can be a felony charge in itself, in Canada anyway ....and arn't the 'papers' Sabre mentions, kinda like national sercurity classified items? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Just now, bishopshodan said: Dont know if the feds had to 'chase him (Trump ) down' like Sabre mentions but evading/running from cops can be a felony charge in itself, in Canada anyway ....and arn't the 'papers' Sabre mentions, kinda like national sercurity classified items? Trump tried to hide the documents. He also sent some of them to NJ before the Feds had a chance to search Mara-Lago. Some of the charges he's facing are for "Obstruction of Justice", which is what he was doing when he claimed (falsely) that all the documents had been returned and then had some of them moved..... .....not the same as Joe Biden, who fully cooperated.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 21 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Oh, is that all? Your "both sides" shtick is ridiculous....The two acts are light years apart, but you're so determined to defend your "I'm not concerned about Trump" stance, you'll bend over backwards to try and paint Biden as equally as bad.... I never said Biden was just as bad as Trump. The party mostly runs Biden's administration. I believe that both parties suck and do not have anyone's interest but their own in mind. As for which party is worse? It would be the one with the growing population of assholes who have no qualms about making people miserable. Get pissed off and annoyed with me all that you want. I heard the doom and gloom once before and the world didn't end. I believe that the Republic is strong enough to withstand one man who will be starting a 2nd term in a weakened position with a likely split Congress to boot. If the Democrats turn around the Senate polls, and they go on and likely take back the House, Trump will be neutered. Trump won't be bringing down the republic in the 2.5 years that he has influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 minute ago, Sabrefan1 said: I never said Biden was just as bad as Trump. The party mostly runs Biden's administration. I believe that both parties suck and do not have anyone's interest but their own in mind. As for which party is worse? It would be the one with the growing population of assholes who have no qualms about making people miserable. Get pissed off and annoyed with me all that you want. I heard the doom and gloom once before and the world didn't end. I believe that the Republic is strong enough to withstand one man who will be starting a 2nd term in a weakened position with a likely split Congress to boot. If the Democrats turn around the Senate polls, and they go on and likely take back the House, Trump will be neutered. Trump won't be bringing down the republic in the 2.5 years that he has influence. I don't want to get involved in another persons argument but I agree with you. BIden is not as bad as Trump. The Democratic party though, is a very bad group of people. See what they did to Bernie Sanders for verification, and numerous progressive individuals who would have ben great candidates but were dismissed or shut out of the vote because they weren't "the right type" As for Trump burning the nation down. No he won't. That's not how your government or ours does. BUT! The GOP from state level to federal, they can and will. it won't happen overnight at all but it's been happening for almost 2 decades and people can clearly see the effect that it's having on areas of your nation and it's genuinely frightening to see. As a Canadian, it's even scarier because we now see those attitudes on display here in our nation as well. The advent of social media has made the transmission of terrible ideology as easy to spread as the plague 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: It has since come out that other presidents have done the same thing. The current president took boxes of secrets and he wasn't even supposed to as a Vice-President. Then he lost track of them to boot. He broke the same laws as the Orange clown, but won't be prosecuted because of his current age and infirmities. It was Biden's team that alerted the authorities about the documents. He then co-operated fully with law enforcement even allowing a search of his home. As did Mike Pence who also had documents. Dumbfounded that you're trying to draw an equivalency here. One man said 'oops I fucked up, come get them and I'll co-operate fully'. The other said 'I know what they're worth. They're mine and I can do anything I want' and lied to authorities and obstructed justice. There's no equivalency here beyond them both being in possession of documents. That's where the similarities end. That's where the criminality begins. It's kinda weird that this needs to be explained. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I don't want to get involved in another persons argument but I agree with you. BIden is not as bad as Trump. The Democratic party though, is a very bad group of people. See what they did to Bernie Sanders for verification, and numerous progressive individuals who would have ben great candidates but were dismissed or shut out of the vote because they weren't "the right type" As for Trump burning the nation down. No he won't. That's not how your government or ours does. BUT! The GOP from state level to federal, they can and will. it won't happen overnight at all but it's been happening for almost 2 decades and people can clearly see the effect that it's having on areas of your nation and it's genuinely frightening to see. As a Canadian, it's even scarier because we now see those attitudes on display here in our nation as well. The advent of social media has made the transmission of terrible ideology as easy to spread as the plague Why does the Democratic Party owe Sanders anything? He's not a member of the party. He's an Independent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 12 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: It was Biden's team that alerted the authorities about the documents. He then co-operated fully with law enforcement even allowing a search of his home. As did Mike Pence who also had documents. Dumbfounded that you're trying to draw an equivalency here. One man said 'oops I fucked up, come get them and I'll co-operate fully'. The other said 'I know what they're worth. They're mine and I can do anything I want' and lied to authorities and obstructed justice. There's no equivalency here beyond them both being in possession of documents. That's where the similarities end. That's where the criminality begins. It's kinda weird that this needs to be explained. Re-read again what I wrote. Trump deserved what's happening to him. He tried to double down on his law breaking. Biden got fortunate. He broke the same initial laws that Trump did, but instead of breaking more and doubling down on stupid, Biden turned himself in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 13 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Why does the Democratic Party owe Sanders anything? He's not a member of the party. He's an Independent. He caucuses with the Democrats. He counts as a Democrat when the Senate split for leadership is an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 20 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Why does the Democratic Party owe Sanders anything? He's not a member of the party. He's an Independent. He sits as an independent but has run as the democratic nominee 3 or 4 times. They owe him nothing, but the "owing" is entirely part of the problem in the US (and now Canada) in which the if you're not with us you're the enemy mentality has pushed the partisan divide so far and prominently that there is little to no hope of ever bridging the divide again It's that mentality that makes the democratic convention/party no better than the GOP in regards to things. This is not to say they promote the same agendas but they certainly are not good people either. Edited May 28 by Warhippy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 10 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: He caucuses with the Democrats. He counts as a Democrat when the Senate split for leadership is an issue. Doesn't make him a Democrat anymore than it does Angus King. If he wants the full benefits of being a Democrat he should join the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, Warhippy said: He sits as an independent but has run as the democratic nominee 3 or 4 times. They owe him nothing, but the "owing" is entirely part of the problem in the US (and now Canada) in which the if you're not with us you're the enemy mentality has pushed the partisan divide so far and prominently that there is little to no hope of ever bridging the divide again It's that mentality that makes the democratic convention/party no better than the GOP in regards to things. This is not to say they promote the same agendas but they certainly are not good people either. Bernie never would have won the Rust Belt states with his Socialist mantra. You'd currently be in the 8th year of Trump rule. So what's the point? Besides Bernie literally had a heart attack during the last campaign. He wasn't the answer. No different up here. The people don't vote for party leadership, the party does. Not like I've ever seen the name Trudeau on my ballot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 7 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Doesn't make him a Democrat anymore than it does Angus King. If he wants the full benefits of being a Democrat he should join the party. I don't disagree with you, I was just pointing out it wasn't black and white. However as per the point that Warhippy was making, the Democrats will play dirty pool, just like any other party, when it suits them to do so. They aren't the glowing angels that some believe them to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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