the destroyer of worlds Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: That's the most likely thing to happen since these are all non-violent convictions. If he gets re-elected, these charges are likely to be reduced, or possibly mostly overturned, especially if they end up in the federal court system once they make their way through the NYS appellate courts. They are judges for life. I don't think they care one way or another what happens with Trump. That said, they are also conservative partisan in their politics and will make rulings, as many times as not, that liberals do not like. Read up on the Heritage Foundation and it's principles if you want to get more of an idea about the conservative wing. He may get leniency in this case, but in the other cases this conviction can make him ineligible for sentencing reductions for 1st time offenders. The problem with overturning this conviction, it requires significant errors. I'm not sure there are egregious errors that were made. It's more likely the egregious errors were made by Team TRUMP's lawyers. See the Carrol case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: While we're at it, maybe someone could explain that to the poster above thinking the supreme court can save Trumps bacon. Maybe someone should explain to you how the appellate process works. Trump can most definitely appeal to the US Supreme Court once all other avenues have been exhausted. It’s their choice whether they want to hear the case or not. If he somehow wins the election I am sure they end up looking at the case. If he loses then I’m sure they don’t care what happens to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: That's the most likely thing to happen since these are all non-violent convictions. If he gets re-elected, these charges are likely to be reduced, or possibly mostly overturned, especially if they end up in the federal court system once they make their way through the NYS appellate courts. They are judges for life. I don't think they care one way or another what happens with Trump. That said, they are also conservative partisan in their politics and will make rulings, as many times as not, that liberals do not like. Read up on the Heritage Foundation and it's principles if you want to get more of an idea about the conservative wing. Sure. But I think they would care if he wins the election though. If he’s President wouldn’t you think his buddies would take up the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 US House Speaker Johnson speaks on Trump likely firing Fed Chair Powell Johnson hints Trump will end Federal Reserve independence An interesting development in US politics, whispers of Federal Reserve Chair Powell getting fired in favour of someone who will bend to Trump. Via a tweet from Senior Washington Correspondent for CNBC: ********************* If Powell did cut rates now have a guess who would be doing the loudest bitchin' about it? Lower rates too early and risk a big spike in inflation. Also proposed 10% tariffs across the board probably inflationary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 6 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: US House Speaker Johnson speaks on Trump likely firing Fed Chair Powell Johnson hints Trump will end Federal Reserve independence An interesting development in US politics, whispers of Federal Reserve Chair Powell getting fired in favour of someone who will bend to Trump. Via a tweet from Senior Washington Correspondent for CNBC: ********************* If Powell did cut rates now have a guess who would be doing the loudest bitchin' about it? Lower rates too early and risk a big spike in inflation. Also proposed 10% tariffs across the board probably inflationary. what is it with con's and wanting to control the central banks. Oh right, control. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 3 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Wisconsin joins Arizona indicting Team TRUMP. Make Attorneys Get Attorneys. https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-fake-electors-trump-2020-charges-77d00919fc8d8e07438076610090a9b1 Wisconsin attorney general files felony charges against attorneys, aide who worked for Trump in 2020 It's amazing how many lawyers knowingly break the law for someone who would shoot them dead if it benefitted him in some way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, the destroyer of worlds said: He may get leniency in this case, but in the other cases this conviction can make him ineligible for sentencing reductions for 1st time offenders. The only serious state charges left are Georgia. They're waiting on this month's SCOTUS ruling to see if they'll go ahead with it. Quote The problem with overturning this conviction, it requires significant errors. I'm not sure there are egregious errors that were made. It's more likely the egregious errors were made by Team TRUMP's lawyers. See the Carrol case. Not a snowballs chance in h*ll this gets overturned in state courts. The judge, a frmr. prosecutor, did a very good job avoiding the common errors that can trigger reversals. Trump's best hope is that the federal courts do something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 49 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Sure. But I think they would care if he wins the election though. If he’s President wouldn’t you think his buddies would take up the case? They share a number of his viewpoints but really aren't his buddies. If the full court has an internal vote, I give it 50/50 odds but only if he's re-elected. I can name 2 justices right off the bat that would vote to take it up for partisan reasons. As for the others, the 3 liberals would say no. Roberts is a slightly right centrist wildcard. That leaves Trump's nominees to decide to take it or leave it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: The only serious state charges left are Georgia. They're waiting on this month's SCOTUS ruling to see if they'll go ahead with it. Not a snowballs chance in h*ll this gets overturned in state courts. The judge, a frmr. prosecutor, did a very good job avoiding the common errors that can trigger reversals. Trump's best hope is that the federal courts do something. I hear there's a shipment of "Trump Kegs" on it's way to Kavanaugh's house as we speak.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Just now, Sabrefan1 said: They share a number of his viewpoints but really aren't his buddies. If the full court has an internal vote, I give it 50/50 odds but only if he's re-elected. I can name 2 justices right off the bat that would vote to take it up for partisan reasons. As for the others, the 3 liberals would say no. Roberts is a slightly right centrist wildcard. That leaves Trump's nominees to decide to take it or leave it. I mentioned this before.....joking aside, Kavanaugh has been as good as, if not better than Roberts. I put them both into the "lean left" category. Gorsuch, I would say "lean right", although that might be underselling it.... ACB is the wildcard for me. She could literally do anything and it wouldn't surprise me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Graham: ‘Average American’ wouldn’t face Hunter Biden’s gun charges Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he thinks most Americans would not have to face the gun charges for which President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is currently on trial in Delaware. In remarks to HuffPost, Graham defended the president’s son against the gun charges but said he thinks the second indictment Hunter Biden faces, charging him with tax crimes, is more legitimate. “I think any average American who’s done their taxes like Hunter Biden would have probably faced prosecution,” Graham said about the tax case, which is slated to go to trial in California in September. “However, I don’t think the average American would have been charged with the gun thing,” he continued. “I don’t see any good coming from that.” ************* Someone want to yank the choke chain on Senator Graham he appears to be out of line again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said: Graham: ‘Average American’ wouldn’t face Hunter Biden’s gun charges Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Monday he thinks most Americans would not have to face the gun charges for which President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, is currently on trial in Delaware. In remarks to HuffPost, Graham defended the president’s son against the gun charges but said he thinks the second indictment Hunter Biden faces, charging him with tax crimes, is more legitimate. “I think any average American who’s done their taxes like Hunter Biden would have probably faced prosecution,” Graham said about the tax case, which is slated to go to trial in California in September. “However, I don’t think the average American would have been charged with the gun thing,” he continued. “I don’t see any good coming from that.” ************* Someone want to yank the choke chain on Senator Graham he appears to be out of line again. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the outstanding taxes were paid, along with interest and penalties. Emphasis on the word "penalties"m which AFAIK, is what the average American would have faced for tax evasion.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 5 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the outstanding taxes were paid, along with interest and penalties. Emphasis on the word "penalties"m which AFAIK, is what the average American would have faced for tax evasion.... It’s my understanding that his tax bill is paid in full. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 His tax bill may be paid in full, and the tax penalties along with it, but I don't think the other branch of government is done with him. Kinda like getting a speeding ticket, and paying the fine to the crown, then ICBC nails you with 3 points on your licence. Somehow that isn't double jeopardy. Really makes all this dumb shit about Prez Joe directing the DOJ to do his bidding, seem completely bogus. Really- if you have the power to go after opponents- and have immunity like Drumpf wants; why wouldn't you save your kid a jail sentence-especially as he seems to have turned his life around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 18 minutes ago, Gurn said: His tax bill may be paid in full, and the tax penalties along with it, but I don't think the other branch of government is done with him. Kinda like getting a speeding ticket, and paying the fine to the crown, then ICBC nails you with 3 points on your licence. Somehow that isn't double jeopardy. Really makes all this dumb shit about Prez Joe directing the DOJ to do his bidding, seem completely bogus. Really- if you have the power to go after opponents- and have immunity like Drumpf wants; why wouldn't you save your kid a jail sentence-especially as he seems to have turned his life around? There's a certain irony here.... Trump and his toadies are trying to make the case, "If they did it to Trump, they can do it to you"....I mean, I know I'm going to be extra careful about how I pay off any porn stars I might bang, if I plan on running for the highest office in the country.... Still, it seems to me that playing fast and loose with one's tax return is probably a far more common occurrence....One would think that facing the same level of prosecution as Hunter Biden would be more worrying to the "average American" than it would facing the prospect of falsifying business records, in order to protect one's chances at being elected POTUS.... ...or maybe that's just me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 minute ago, RupertKBD said: There's a certain irony here.... Trump and his toadies are trying to make the case, "If they did it to Trump, they can do it to you"....I mean, I know I'm going to be extra careful about how I pay off any porn stars I might bang, if I plan on running for the highest office in the country.... Still, it seems to me that playing fast and loose with one's tax return is probably a far more common occurrence....One would think that facing the same level of prosecution as Hunter Biden would be more worrying to the "average American" than it would facing the prospect of falsifying business records, in order to protect one's chances at being elected POTUS.... ...or maybe that's just me? One of the things that really, really sticks out is if the fat fuck had just paid her off, with his own money, there would have been no charges or conviction. Dumb ass thought he could get other people's money, to pay for everything. Or he could have not banged the gal at all. Something that is usually included in marriage vows "forsaking all others". I wonder if Melania has gotten a legal opinion about 'breach of contract' regarding those vows, and how it would effect a 'pre nup'. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 15 minutes ago, Gurn said: One of the things that really, really sticks out is if the fat fuck had just paid her off, with his own money, there would have been no charges or conviction. Dumb ass thought he could get other people's money, to pay for everything. Or he could have not banged the gal at all. Something that is usually included in marriage vows "forsaking all others". I wonder if Melania has gotten a legal opinion about 'breach of contract' regarding those vows, and how it would effect a 'pre nup'. It gets worse.....Barron was an infant when this happened. Melania was at home with her newborn baby, when the guy Evangelicals call "sent from Jesus", was shagging a porn star.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 2 hours ago, Gurn said: I wonder if Melania has gotten a legal opinion about 'breach of contract' regarding those vows, and how it would effect a 'pre nup'. It was rumoured that after the whole thing came out, she got a new prenup that was more advantageous to her. She stayed in Trump Tower apparently until she got it. That was the rumour and conjecture at the time. I have no idea if it's true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Even with one of the SCOTUS justices talking about how she cries after some of the court verdicts, they agree on a fair amount of cases. All 9 justices agree that New York State violated the NRA's first amendment rights. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-nra/ar-BB1nDBhj?ocid=msedgdhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 21 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: He may get leniency in this case, but in the other cases this conviction can make him ineligible for sentencing reductions for 1st time offenders. The problem with overturning this conviction, it requires significant errors. I'm not sure there are egregious errors that were made. It's more likely the egregious errors were made by Team TRUMP's lawyers. See the Carrol case. Having Alina "look my breasts and not my eyes" Habba on his squad of solicitors, that ain't going to help his appeal(s) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Interesting approach for appealing to black voters from potential Trump running mate, Byron Donalds..... Telling them that black people were "better off" under Jim Crow..... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/how-dare-you-republican-slammed-in-congress-as-he-frantically-denies-shocking-comment/ar-BB1nGZtw?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=bb3442e3a82543b599453124f2b58958&ei=18 Quote Reps. Byron Donalds (R-FL) and Wesley Hunt (R-TX) made their case to supporters in Philadelphia this week that living under Jim Crow was better for them. The event was part of the campaign's “Black Americans for Trump” initiative. “You see, during Jim Crow, the Black family was together. During Jim Crow, more Black people were not just conservative — Black people have always been conservative-minded — but more Black people voted conservatively,” Donalds said, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer. “And then H.E.W., Lyndon Johnson — you go down that road, and now we are where we are,” he added, referring to the former U.S. Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 On the positive side....the Dems don't have to worry about him being involved in any scandals..... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-payne-jr-wins-new-jersey-primary/ Quote ep. Donald Payne Jr. won the Democratic primary in New Jersey's 10th Congressional District on Tuesday, more than a month after he died after a heart attack. Payne was running unopposed in the district, and his death came after the deadline for other candidates to appear on the primary ballot. The congressman was hospitalized on April 6 after he had "a physical accident" at his home that led to his hospitalization, his office said. During treatment, he experienced "medical complications due to diabetes and high blood pressure that led to subsequent cardiorespiratory arrest." He died at age 65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Georgia court of appeals indefinitely pauses the election subversion conspiracy case against Donald Trump CNN - A Georgia appeals court has halted the election subversion conspiracy case against former President Donald Trump and several of his co-defendants until a panel of judges rules on whether Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis should be disqualified, according to a new order filed on Wednesday. This story is breaking and will be updated. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/georgia-trump-fani-willis-trial-delay/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 19 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Georgia court of appeals indefinitely pauses the election subversion conspiracy case against Donald Trump CNN - A Georgia appeals court has halted the election subversion conspiracy case against former President Donald Trump and several of his co-defendants until a panel of judges rules on whether Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis should be disqualified, according to a new order filed on Wednesday. This story is breaking and will be updated. https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/05/politics/georgia-trump-fani-willis-trial-delay/index.html She may have tanked the whole case. Congrats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 8 minutes ago, Warhippy said: She may have tanked the whole case. Congrats At the same time, the hearing is set for October which is right before the election. It'll be yet another reminder to the public of the ongoing proceedings just before the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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