US Politics Thread

[Elias Pettersson]

47 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

 

I wonder if the Supreme Court would consider this an "official" act?  

[the destroyer of worlds]

8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

I wonder if the Supreme Court would consider this an "official" act?  

If the right set of judges hear the case, perhaps.  That's why Congress needs to act fast to define what constitutes an official act.

[the destroyer of worlds]

Of course he gets a delay.  Then they will delay because it is too close to the election.  What a joke.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna160028

 

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will be delayed until at least September 18.

[Sapper]

20 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Of course he gets a delay.  Then they will delay because it is too close to the election.  What a joke.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna160028

 

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will be delayed until at least September 18.

The usa supreme court has gone rouge .....  This case surrounded time before being elected to office so should not have been impacted by the granting of King status that occured 

 

My gut tells me that given the near certainty of.a Trump win the entire judice system.id rightfully terrified of the king powers Trump will now have ...

 

Those convicting Trump have every right to fear for their safety under a Trump presidency and I don't blame them a bit for basically walking away from anything connected to Trump 

 

Day by day the USA is less a democracy 

[24K]

12 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

The problem with the agencies was that they were not only making rules with the force of law, but the courts in a way were subservient to those agencies and were told to defer to them because they were "experts".  Over the decades, these agencies abused that power often for political reasons or to get their way. 

 

The so called "expertise" of the agencies would do 180's when a new party/administration would be elected into the White House.  Whereas with federal courts, judges are appointed for life so most don't feel the need to kowtow to a political party like the agencies.  Aileen Cannon notwithstanding of course.

 

Now if Trump gets into office in January, he can't replace the people in the EPA and have them make rules that can crap all over the environment immediately.  If contested by outside interests, it will have to go through a court first and be argued by lawyers and witnesses who are actually experts in their field.

 

 

The pendulum will eventually swing back towards the left.  It always goes back and forth.  The left just enjoyed a very long swing their way and that's beginning to change.

 

The Republicans will eventually piss off the voter base enough that they will hang themselves.  It's going to start when they screw with Social Security which they plan on doing as soon as they have both houses of Congress and the White House.

 

It won't be long.  The only thing that the Republicans will have long term is the SCOTUS.  And if the left will stop over-reacting because they didn't get their every wish, they'll see that the SCOTUS isn't as conservative as people figured it would be.  They've been pretty good to the LGBTQIA+ community and conservatives are less than thrilled about that.  SCOTUS is more of an originalist smaller government interference court now.  Congress will have to pick up the slack that the rulings will cause such as the Chevron ruling's potential effect on OSHA.  Congress and the states are going to have to start codifying a whole bunch of new regulations instead of just letting OSHA shoot from the hip.

Problem is congress has been ineffective for over a decade now. What makes you think they will pick up the slack. 

 

That is the worry here. Also the courts need to also speed things up instead of waiting 2 years for every case without difference. The inefficiency is going to create a giant backlog and choke away needed timely determination or pretty much allow a blank check for corporation to do whatever they want while the court takes half a decade to figure things out while damages are being done. 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Of course he gets a delay.  Then they will delay because it is too close to the election.  What a joke.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna160028

 

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will be delayed until at least September 18.

 

Sounds like the case could be thrown out or a new trial given.  My hunch is there won't be any sentencing prior to the election.  I doubt they would throw him in prison just a few weeks before the election.

 

In the letter to the judge Monday, Trump's team argued that prosecutors wrongly used evidence of his "official acts" at trial, which is now immunized conduct and prohibited under the Supreme Court's new decision. The justices concluded that while presidents enjoy no immunity for "unofficial" acts that don't involve core presidential duties, prosecutors cannot use any evidence or testimony concerning official acts to prosecute unofficial conduct.

The crux of the issue for Merchan will now come down to whether some of the evidence, like the testimony of former Trump aide Hope Hicks describing a conservation she had with Trump while he was president, is off limits. If so, a new trial could be required unless the judge finds the error was harmless because Trump would have still been convicted.

[the destroyer of worlds]

17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Sounds like the case could be thrown out or a new trial given.  My hunch is there won't be any sentencing prior to the election.  I doubt they would throw him in prison just a few weeks before the election.

 

In the letter to the judge Monday, Trump's team argued that prosecutors wrongly used evidence of his "official acts" at trial, which is now immunized conduct and prohibited under the Supreme Court's new decision. The justices concluded that while presidents enjoy no immunity for "unofficial" acts that don't involve core presidential duties, prosecutors cannot use any evidence or testimony concerning official acts to prosecute unofficial conduct.

The crux of the issue for Merchan will now come down to whether some of the evidence, like the testimony of former Trump aide Hope Hicks describing a conservation she had with Trump while he was president, is off limits. If so, a new trial could be required unless the judge finds the error was harmless because Trump would have still been convicted.

Campaigns are not official acts.  I believe that there is precedent that lays out the office of POTUS is independent from campaigns.  This is a hail Mary that should fall flat.

[Sabrefan1]

52 minutes ago, 24K said:

Problem is congress has been ineffective for over a decade now. What makes you think they will pick up the slack.

 

They will have no choice.  I'm more concerned with who will be in control when they do.  They are going to have to come to a compromise or they'll just end up constantly changing the law. 

 

The one thing that forced compromise, the filibuster, is now in danger of going away because the Democrats have said that they are planning to eliminate it.  However, the Republicans may preemptively beat them to it now that they know it's days are numbered.

 

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That is the worry here. Also the courts need to also speed things up instead of waiting 2 years for every case without difference. The inefficiency is going to create a giant backlog and choke away needed timely determination or pretty much allow a blank check for corporation to do whatever they want while the court takes half a decade to figure things out while damages are being done. 

 

 

This part I agree with you for sure.  The problem is, you need more courts and more judges.  Who chooses those judges?  The president.  Who has the final say in said placement?  The Senate.

 

Here's the kicker...  Say lawmakers next year decide to put 10 more judges in each district.  If the Republicans are in control of the Senate and Trump is president, that means there will be 120 brand new Trump judges deciding how the United States is to operate.  The Democrats would go nuclear.  The kicker on that?  It's because of the Democrats that you no longer need a 2/3 senate vote to place judges on the federal bench. 

[Elias Pettersson]

43 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Campaigns are not official acts.  I believe that there is precedent that lays out the office of POTUS is independent from campaigns.  This is a hail Mary that should fall flat.

 

That's not the argument.  The argument is that they used testimony while he was President, an official act, to try and get a conviction for an unofficial act.  The Supreme Court said you can't do this.  Now they need to determine if that testimony was vital to the conviction or whether the conviction would have stood without it.  My hunch is the case will be thrown out and a new trial given.  

 

This is all moot anyways if he wins the election, as everything will be thrown out.  Which is why it is so unbelievable that the Democrats ran Biden for this long before "just now" figuring out he has dementia.  They knew this from two years ago.  He's been mumbling and stumbling for the better part of two years, but all people did including posters in this thread was try and make excuses for it and claim Trump was in worse condition.

 

Biden shouldn't even be the President right now.  He should have walked away after the midterms...

Edited Tuesday at 10:56 PM by Elias Pettersson

[Sabrefan1]

2 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Of course he gets a delay.  Then they will delay because it is too close to the election.  What a joke.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna160028

 

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will be delayed until at least September 18.

 

It could also come back to bite Trump in the ass.  I have no idea how you argue "official act" in a pre-presidency payoff of a porn star. 

 

If Trump's lawyers are somehow successful in pulling out the perfect Jenga tile in an extremely liberal court run by a former prosecutor, his convictions are tossed aside and he's no longer a convicted felon. 

 

If they fail, Trump could very well be confined in house arrest for the crucial home stretch of the election.  No campaigning, no rallies, nothing.

[Sapper]

18 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

It could also come back to bite Trump in the ass.  I have no idea how you argue "official act" in a pre-presidency payoff of a porn star. 

 

If Trump's lawyers are somehow successful in pulling out the perfect Jenga tile in an extremely liberal court run by a former prosecutor, his convictions are tossed aside and he's no longer a convicted felon. 

 

If they fail, Trump could very well be confined in house arrest for the crucial home stretch of the election.  No campaigning, no rallies, nothing.

I think the plan all along has been to stall it until he is in office 

 

Day 1 he will write orders pardoning himself and the next day let the SCOTUS know they can clarify that president's can be held accountable if orders and actions are in.bad faith

 

This has always been about either outliving the consequences or outlasting it till he can pardon everyone when back in office ( which ever comes first )

Edited Tuesday at 10:51 PM by Sapper

[Gnarcore]

27 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

That's not the argument.  The argument is that they used testimony while he was President, an official act, to try and get a conviction for an unofficial act.  The Supreme Court said you can't do this.  Now they need to determine if that testimony was vital to the conviction or whether the conviction would have stood without it.  My hunch is the case will be thrown out and a new trial given.  

 

This is all mute anyways if he wins the election, as everything will be thrown out.  Which is why it is so unbelievable that the Democrats ran Biden for this long before "just now" figuring out he has dementia.  They knew this from two years ago.  He's been mumbling and stumbling for the better part of two years, but all people did including posters in this thread was try and make excuses for it and claim Trump was in worse condition.

 

Biden shouldn't even be the President right now.  He should have walked away after the midterms...

Not everything you do while president is an official act. His 17 daily fast food related shits for instance....

[Elias Pettersson]

30 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

It could also come back to bite Trump in the ass.  I have no idea how you argue "official act" in a pre-presidency payoff of a porn star. 

 

If Trump's lawyers are somehow successful in pulling out the perfect Jenga tile in an extremely liberal court run by a former prosecutor, his convictions are tossed aside and he's no longer a convicted felon. 

 

If they fail, Trump could very well be confined in house arrest for the crucial home stretch of the election.  No campaigning, no rallies, nothing.

 

That isn't the argument though.  Trump's lawyers are arguing that the court used testimony while he was President, an official act, in order to try and get a conviction for an unofficial act.  The Supreme Court said you can't do this.  Hope Hicks testimony was an example.  The fact that the judge allowed the sentencing to be delayed tells me that at the very least there is substance to this.  The judge doesn't want the case to be overturned on appeal.  So, he is being careful about it.  

Edited Tuesday at 11:02 PM by Elias Pettersson

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

34 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

Not everything you do while president is an official act. His 17 daily fast food related shits for instance....

 

Not sure if the States have anything like our Hansard for Presidential actions, but if they do, those shits are probably recorded as official business - the most official shits any person will ever hear or read about!  

[Sabrefan1]

1 hour ago, Sapper said:

I think the plan all along has been to stall it until he is in office 

 

Day 1 he will write orders pardoning himself and the next day let the SCOTUS know they can clarify that president's can be held accountable if orders and actions are in.bad faith

 

This has always been about either outliving the consequences or outlasting it till he can pardon everyone when back in office ( which ever comes first )

 

If re-elected, Trump will direct the DoJ to end all of the court cases against him on day 1.  That's temporarily just as effective as any pardon.

 

He will pardon himself  towards the end of his final year in office.  If he pardons himself any sooner, he will give the inevitable court challenges against his self-pardon 3 extra years to litigate.

 

If he waits until the end of his second term, the Democrats may not even bother to spend the millions of dollars to challenge it because he will no longer be able to run for president. 

 

I've said all along that his most dangerous charges were the ones in NY and Georgia.  Georgia isn't yet over, but that whole thing turned into a clusterf*ck pretty quickly.  As for NY, his convictions are now teetering on the edge of the abyss.

 

"Teflon Don" may once again escape consequences.  That's only if he wins the election though.  If he loses the election, the world will come crashing down on him.

 

[Sabrefan1]

1 hour ago, Gnarcore said:

Not everything you do while president is an official act. His 17 daily fast food related shits for instance....

 

[SilentSam]

5 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

I wonder if the Supreme Court would consider this an "official" act?  

At least she consented and was of age ,

   I get understand the “power of authority “ issue / premise with Lewinsky..

 

But this Court Document has Just Been Released on Trump .. 

if it’s true ,  he should be the First POTUS that is Castrated buy Court Order :

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sabrefan1]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

That isn't the argument though.  Trump's lawyers are arguing that the court used testimony while he was President, an official act, in order to try and get a conviction for an unofficial act.  The Supreme Court said you can't do this.  Hope Hicks testimony was an example.  The fact that the judge allowed the sentencing to be delayed tells me that at the very least there is substance to this.  The judge doesn't want the case to be overturned on appeal.  So, he is being careful about it.  

 

 

I get that, but the judge could very well say that the genesis of the charges was from when he wasn't president.

 

Don't forget that he is being tried in one of the most liberal areas in the country by a judge who is predisposed to agree with the prosecution.

 

New York state and NYC like to play by their own rules.

 

 

[Sabrefan1]

17 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

At least she consented and was of age ,

   I get understand the “power of authority “ issue / premise with Lewinsky..

 

But this Court Document has Just Been Released on Trump .. 

if it’s true ,  he should be the First POTUS that is Castrated buy Court Order :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This has been making the rounds for 8 years.  It didn't go anywhere because it turns out that it was made up by a former Jerry Springer producer looking for attention and a check/cheque.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow

Edited Wednesday at 12:43 AM by Sabrefan1
added the Canadian spelling for check...

[the destroyer of worlds]

2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

That isn't the argument though.  Trump's lawyers are arguing that the court used testimony while he was President, an official act, in order to try and get a conviction for an unofficial act.  The Supreme Court said you can't do this.  Hope Hicks testimony was an example.  The fact that the judge allowed the sentencing to be delayed tells me that at the very least there is substance to this.  The judge doesn't want the case to be overturned on appeal.  So, he is being careful about it.  

Again, this concerns a campaign issue.  This isn't discussions about a raid or an assassination of a foreign adversary for example.   The latter being official acts.  Talking about paying off porn stars is in no way an official act.

[The Arrogant Worms]

 

Michelle Obama Is Only Democrat Beating Trump in New Post-Debate Poll – And It’s by A LOT

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michelle-obama-is-only-democrat-beating-trump-in-new-post-debate-poll-and-its-by-a-lot/

[24K]

40 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

 

Michelle Obama Is Only Democrat Beating Trump in New Post-Debate Poll – And It’s by A LOT

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michelle-obama-is-only-democrat-beating-trump-in-new-post-debate-poll-and-its-by-a-lot/

Problem is she won't run even if the whole world threaten her at gunpoint. 

[24K]

Looks like Biden essentially isolated himself to his yes men and Jill to convince himself that he should continue to run and put the whole nation in danger. 

 

His hubris will end America as we know it. 

[24K]

Meanwhile in my 'home state's of Idaho outside of public libraries.

 

I got to move....

[Pears]

8 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said:

Of course he gets a delay.  Then they will delay because it is too close to the election.  What a joke.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna160028

 

Judge in Trump's hush money trial delays sentencing following Supreme Court immunity ruling

The hearing, previously scheduled for July 11, will be delayed until at least September 18.

It's already been proven he's a pedo since he was buddy buddy with Epstein and made frequent visits to his island. 1) How is he not in handcuffs and being held in a maximum security prison right now, and 2) Why in the hell is this not all over mainstream media????