US Politics Thread

[Satchmo]

15 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

 

Okay. Let's start over.

 

Which parts were you confused about or find hard to decipher? I'll try to explain if you like.

 

Sorry, but I'm not going back.  Let's move forward.

 

BTW - I like the other thread idea.  

[Canuckle]

46 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

Right. And they've already provided that in how candidates and parties can be chosen. The US doesn't need failed/recycled Marxist drivel to change for the better.

 

Sure working great, eh.

 

US politics is a sham.

 

Sorry.

 

[Bob Long]

3 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

Sure working great, eh.

 

US politics is a sham.

 

Sorry.

 

 

its working pretty well for the GOP. Sure they lost the last general election but they achieved many of their goals, particularly in the SC.

 

Sorry man, you've failed to provide a reason for 1) believing the class structure theories, and 2) proving that it would be better for the US to adopt pseudo-Marxist ideas.

 

Make the case that people would be better off. 

[Canuckle]

13 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Right, so you're basically saying you got nothing. You're actually trying to convince people, that asking for one success story regarding a political system, doesn't belong in a US politics thread.

 

 

 

I'm saying it doesn't belong here because it doesn't belong here.

 

And the fact you're even asking the question tells me the level of education I'm dealing with here. Ralph fucking Wiggum calibre indeed.

 

You are part of the problem.  

 

You once said what I'm saying is "making the fascists stronger."

 

The truth is, it's false conscious proles like yourself believing the false dichotomy of red and blue doing their work for them.

 

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, Ralph.

 

This is for you yet again:

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Canuckle

[Satchmo]

Well I can see I achieved nothing today.   

[Canuckle]

6 minutes ago, Bob Long said:

 

its working pretty well for the GOP. Sure they lost the last general election but they achieved many of their goals, particularly in the SC.

 

Sorry man, you've failed to provide a reason for 1) believing the class structure theories, and 2) proving that it would be better for the US to adopt pseudo-Marxist ideas.

 

Make the case that people would be better off. 

 

Whoosh.

 

 

[Bob Long]

4 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

 

Whoosh.

 

 

 

ploop? 

[Playoff Beered]

3 hours ago, Canuckle said:

 

 

Edited October 10, 2023 by Playoff Beered

[StrayDog]

2 hours ago, Canuckle said:

 

Local, too. Involved where I can be.

Well then I guess I have to ask why do you bother? Voting, I mean.

You clearly believe voting will do absolutely nothing to change anything that fundamentally matters, and only direct action will. So I ask again why do you bother?

[Warhippy]

Are we still pretending that the Democrats are somehow magically better than the GOP?

. they're less repugnant sure.  They seem to care more for people absolutely.  They seem to want to do the right thing, promise to invest in kids, families and the nation.  Which is true.

 

But how exactly are they different than the GOP?  When I say that I don't mean they're banning books etc.  When I say that I mean, what have they actually done to change the system to start helping the lowest 98% of the overall population?

 

What have they done to affect the change they say they will that will level the playing field, make the country's elected leaders accountable and not just their largest donors?

 

The GOP are awful no doubt.  Like at all.  Hut the Dems have had numerous opportunities since the Ray-Gun years to fix the problems of trickle down economics and the outflows of middle class wealth and jobs to overseas locations but haven't

 

They're the same.  At no point have either parties since Glas Steagall done anything to help the average person.  They are the same.

[The Arrogant Worms]

[The Arrogant Worms]

[Satchmo]

Just now, Warhippy said:

Are we still pretending that the Democrats are somehow magically better than the GOP?

. they're less repugnant sure.  They seem to care more for people absolutely.  They seem to want to do the right thing, promise to invest in kids, families and the nation.  Which is true.

 

But how exactly are they different than the GOP?  When I say that I don't mean they're banning books etc.  When I say that I mean, what have they actually done to change the system to start helping the lowest 98% of the overall population?

 

What have they done to affect the change they say they will that will level the playing field, make the country's elected leaders accountable and not just their largest donors?

 

The GOP are awful no doubt.  Like at all.  Hut the Dems have had numerous opportunities since the Ray-Gun years to fix the problems of trickle down economics and the outflows of middle class wealth and jobs to overseas locations but haven't

 

They're the same.  At no point have either parties since Glas Steagall done anything to help the average person.  They are the same.

Today we've mostly been debating the relative merits of anarchism and whatever the hell the  rest of us are.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Satchmo said:

Today we've mostly been debating the relative merits of anarchism and whatever the hell the  rest of us are.

To be brutally honest.

 

The US needs something akin to a short burst of anarchy, Marxism or even outright lawlessness.

 

Their entire system needs to be reset from the ground up because the only thing the "people" exist for us literally wage slaving chattel and tax numbers with warm meat for the military

 

Pretending their corptocracy or whatever the pretend democracy they exist under via crony capitalism is working is just sheer ignorance 

[Playoff Beered]

9 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Are we still pretending that the Democrats are somehow magically better than the GOP?

. they're less repugnant sure.  They seem to care more for people absolutely.  They seem to want to do the right thing, promise to invest in kids, families and the nation.  Which is true.

 

But how exactly are they different than the GOP?  When I say that I don't mean they're banning books etc.  When I say that I mean, what have they actually done to change the system to start helping the lowest 98% of the overall population?

 

What have they done to affect the change they say they will that will level the playing field, make the country's elected leaders accountable and not just their largest donors?

 

The GOP are awful no doubt.  Like at all.  Hut the Dems have had numerous opportunities since the Ray-Gun years to fix the problems of trickle down economics and the outflows of middle class wealth and jobs to overseas locations but haven't

 

They're the same.  At no point have either parties since Glas Steagall done anything to help the average person.  They are the same.

 

Since re-using meme's is all the rage...

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Playoff Beered

[Canuckle]

52 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

Well then I guess I have to ask why do you bother? Voting, I mean.

You clearly believe voting will do absolutely nothing to change anything that fundamentally matters, and only direct action will. So I ask again why do you bother?

 

The format of these threads is extremely frustrating. I've answered that question probably 3 times in previous comments now.

 

Yes, vote if you want. Throw your vote at whoever wants to hurt us less.  I won't eat your lunch for that. But don't put your faith in it as the end all be all. Because its not. Simply put, voting is not the means to achieve legitimate structural change required for emancipation, whatever that looks like--the political system simply isn't equipped or even designed for that.

 

Those come from the grassroots using force in many different forms. That's the takeaway here.

Edited October 9, 2023 by Canuckle

[Canuckle]

8 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Since re-using meme's is all the rage...

 

 

shitliberalssay. Lmao

[Satchmo]

12 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

To be brutally honest.

 

The US needs something akin to a short burst of anarchy, Marxism or even outright lawlessness.

 

Their entire system needs to be reset from the ground up because the only thing the "people" exist for us literally wage slaving chattel and tax numbers with warm meat for the military

 

Pretending their corptocracy or whatever the pretend democracy they exist under via crony capitalism is working is just sheer ignorance 

Well, I agree with a lot of that though I'd hope for a burst of something other than the options you mention.   Not only for the reason that if it happened there it would happen here.

 

 

That's said, I'd happy for it to happen here or there.  Before I jumped on that wagon though, I'd first have to know:

 

How are we going to do that?

 

Please consider that as a rhetorical question if you don't want to get into it.    It all might be best in another thread anyway.

 

 

 

Edited October 9, 2023 by Satchmo
grammar counts

[Playoff Beered]

1 minute ago, Canuckle said:

 

shitliberalssay. Lmao

 

Shit first year political science students say.

[Canuckle]

8 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Shit first year political science students say.

 

Christ even poli sci students would laugh at you and your little list.

 

Red and blue are not divided between conservative and liberal, and the vast majority of that list isn't even fucking accurate. Lol. It's as bad as Trump taking credit for shit he didn't do either.  Sooooooo fucking stupid.

 

[Playoff Beered]

54 minutes ago, Canuckle said:

Christ even poli sci students would laugh at you and your little list.

 

Red and blue are not divided between conservative and liberal, and the vast majority of that list isn't even fucking accurate. Lol. It's as bad as Trump taking credit for shit he didn't do either.  Sooooooo fucking stupid.

 

Now that we have established that you have no good examples of your functioning anarchist government, because there has never been one, all you got is pathetically immature insults and attempts to belittle. 

[Canuckle]

47 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said:

 

Now that we have established that you have no good examples of your functioning anarchist government, because there has never been one, all you got is pathetically immature insults and attempts to belittle. 

 

Well no shit there's been no anarchist government. That's the whole fucking point!!! LMAO. Thank you for proving you don't even know what anarchism  is.

 

Secondly, the original question was about SOCIALISM.

 

Couldn't get that right either, eh.

 

And given your lack of knowledge with leftist political philosophy in general, good bet you don't understand what that word encapsulates either.  Fuck this is hilarious.

 

[StrayDog]

2 hours ago, Canuckle said:

 

The format of these threads is extremely frustrating. I've answered that question probably 3 times in previous comments now.

 

Yes, vote if you want. Throw your vote at whoever wants to hurt us less.  I won't eat your lunch for that. But don't put your faith in it as the end all be all. Because its not. Simply put, voting is not the means to achieve legitimate structural change required for emancipation, whatever that looks like--the political system simply isn't equipped or even designed for that.

 

Those come from the grassroots using force in many different forms. That's the takeaway here.

You... didn't actually answer my question. You just continue to say that basically voting is for suckers. But not why you yourself vote. Just to get the lesser of two evils? The way you state things there is no difference between Party A or Party B, and Party C is total waste of time. So why do you vote? 

Please define for me "grassroots using force in many different forms". Are you advocating violence to achieve what you think is the desired change? Intimidation? Large scale protests? All of those have been tried at varying times, to equally varying success and disaster.

What is your intended outcome and what does your end-result government look like? Because at no time in history has there not been haves and have-nots and someone at the top of the pile. 

[Playoff Beered]

1 hour ago, Canuckle said:

Well no shit there's been no anarchist government. That's the whole fucking point!!! LMAO. Thank you for proving you don't even know what anarchism  is.

 

Secondly, the original question was about SOCIALISM.

 

Couldn't get that right either, eh.

 

And given your lack of knowledge with leftist political philosophy in general, good bet you don't understand what that word encapsulates either.  Fuck this is hilarious.

 

 

Still dodging, and you know damn well you're wrong.

[Sharpshooter]

Fellas. 
 

Discuss things. 
 

Pissing matches are unnecessary. 
 

Please and thanks.