Bob Long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Well, it will be interesting to see what Vance tries to do with our auto industry relationship. It certainly sounds like he's quite anti-EV and wants to bring more auto jobs to Ohio.... It's not that easy given how integrated our nafta supply chain is but I suspect Ontario is in for a bumpy ride starting next January. Thankfully the Canadian trade team has been on top for this for a while now. I do expect there to be more useless tariff battles, those always make for great headlines in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Many Democrat voters didn't like Biden in 2020 let alone now when he's close to a walking corpse. This comment from Joy Ann Reid describes the Democrat base perspective. Hypothetically even if they hated RFK, they would still vote for him anyways as a Dem candidate cause the opponent is Trump & he cannot win. Biden is your stereotypical Dem. Even if no one likes him, he is vanilla enough to rally around. That can't be said for RFK Jr. who is way more aligned with Trump than Dem. At that point Dem turn out will be low seeing there is practically minimal difference between the two. Low Dem turnout ensures Trump victory. Dem should have picked someone other than Biden but it sure ain't RFK Jr. Edited July 15 by 24K 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 17 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I have no vested interest in seeing the Democrats win (or the Rep's for that matter). depends on how attached you are to certain elements of the Canadian economy. I don't know what your particular industry is or if it's sensitive to nafta or tariffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 24K said: Biden is your stereotypical Dem. Even if no one likes him, he is vanilla enough to rally around. That can't be said for RFK Jr. who is way more aligned with Trump than Dem. At that point Dem turn out will be low seeing there is practically minimal difference between the two. Low Dem turnout ensures Trump victory. Dem should have picked someone other than Biden but it sure ain't RFK Jr. All I'm saying is they would've had a much better chance with him than what Biden is, despite all the issues with RFK. Voting against Trump is more important than who the candidate is. After the assassination attempt however I think its pretty much in the bag for Trump. Edited July 15 by Smashian Kassian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, 24K said: Biden is your stereotypical Dem. Even if no one likes him, he is vanilla enough to rally around. That can't be said for RFK Jr. who is way more aligned with Trump than Dem. At that point Dem turn out will be low seeing there is practically minimal difference between the two. Low Dem turnout ensures Trump victory. Dem should have picked someone other than Biden but it sure ain't RFK Jr. Honestly, if Biden drops out, the only one I see energizing the voters enough to beat Trump is Bernie, who is older than Biden........that's so sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 46 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: That doesn't explain why he donated to Act Blue. If you're alt-right, Act Blue is the antitheses of everything that you believe. The kid was all over the map. He was wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt when he was killed. This is one of the “gun-tuber” channels that is all about guns and the second amendment. The guy who owns the channel is quite a likeable dude though I’ve only watched his other two channels never this one, claims that the channel never talks politics which may be true but in his Twitter feed he is a proud supporter of his friend and fellow gun-tuber Brandon Herrera. This is the guy who forced a run-off with Tony Gonzalez the representative for Uvalde Texas. Herrera had this to say after Gonzalez broke with his party and voted for a gun safety bill after the school shooting. On his campaign website he describes himself as “an entrepreneur, Second Amendment activist, and social media personality.” “Texas is done with RINO’s. The war starts now,” Herrera said late Tuesday on X, using a common conservative abbreviation for “Republican in name only.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 18 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Growing up I only saw westerns based in the U.S, I'm a huge Louis Lamour fan. I'm always on the lookout for the old movies, that were from his books- and hopeful for new movies. Never tried making the natives the bad guys, just people with a different way of life. He was careful to point out that raiding a wagon train, isn't really that different from raiding, and pirating, sailing ships; be it for King and Queen or just for loot. Sometime between old west and today, things went weird. ------------------------------ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said: All I'm saying is they would've had a much better chance with him than what Biden is, despite all the issues with RFK. After the assassination attempt however I think its pretty much in the bag for Trump. And I say there is even lower chances with RFK Jr. than Biden even with all of Biden's age issues due to Dem base abandoning RFK. We can agree to disagree there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Did you come to cadet camp in Vernon during the summer? No it was in the lower mainland. Sea Cadets. Somewhere along the Fraser River as we got to drive boats. They also woke us all up early in the morning and made us jog around in our PJs while it was pissing outside. During the middle of the fall Also, got to march during Remembrance Day in front of a city in honour of those who fell. Stood outside of shops for poppy donations in uniform. I was in my mid-teens. It was a unique experience and made for weekends that would last forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Smashian Kassian said: All I'm saying is they would've had a much better chance with him than what Biden is, despite all the issues with RFK. Voting against Trump is more important than who the candidate is. After the assassination attempt however I think its pretty much in the bag for Trump. I admire your tenacity above all else. So many people have disagreed with you on RFK yet you still try to convince us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Smashian Kassian said: All I'm saying is they would've had a much better chance with him than what Biden is, despite all the issues with RFK. After the assassination attempt however I think its pretty much in the bag for Trump. that plus a lot of people won't show up for Biden, imo. The dem's could get really slammed across the board. Joe needs to go. Go, Joe, go. See Joe go. I'm just trying out slogans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, Bob Long said: depends on how attached you are to certain elements of the Canadian economy. I don't know what your particular industry is or if it's sensitive to nafta or tariffs. After the new NAFTA, were the third wheel anyway..........it's a US-Mexico courtship now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 59 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: That doesn't explain why he donated to Act Blue. If you're alt-right, Act Blue is the antitheses of everything that you believe. Ya, dude on the radio mentioned that donation but brushed it off as he said it was 8 years ago, i think 58 minutes ago, 24K said: I doubt he has any evidence. Probably just spewing bs. But to humor that notion, if there is any political motif, it probably is feeling betrayed by Trump from his distancing from project 2025. He said the shooter had a twitter feed, but I hear you...we would be seeing stuff on here if that was the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, stawns said: Honestly, if Biden drops out, the only one I see energizing the voters enough to beat Trump is Bernie, who is older than Biden........that's so sad Older but Bernie has the sharpest mind out of both of them and it ain't even close. Heck Bernie today probably have a sharper mind than both VP candidates. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Bob Long said: that plus a lot of people won't show up for Biden, imo. The dem's could get really slammed across the board. Joe needs to go. Go, Joe, go. See Joe go. I'm just trying out slogans. Dems will 100% show up for Biden. Question is will enough never Trumpers or independents show up for Biden. That is the scary part and I think his debate performance may have been enough for them to stay home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, stawns said: After the new NAFTA, were the third wheel anyway..........it's a US-Mexico courtship now who told you that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, 24K said: Dems will 100% show up for Biden. Question is will enough never Trumpers or independents show up for Biden. That is the scary part and I think his debate performance may have been enough for them to stay home. I doubt it. Its like when some of them were pissy over Bernie and didn't show up for Hillary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, 4petesake said: The kid was all over the map. He was wearing a Demolition Ranch shirt when he was killed. This is one of the “gun-tuber” channels that is all about guns and the second amendment. The guy who owns the channel is quite a likeable dude though I’ve only watched his other two channels never this one, claims that the channel never talks politics which may be true but in his Twitter feed he is a proud supporter of his friend and fellow gun-tuber Brandon Herrera. This is the guy who forced a run-off with Tony Gonzalez the representative for Uvalde Texas. Herrera had this to say after Gonzalez broke with his party and voted for a gun safety bill after the school shooting. On his campaign website he describes himself as “an entrepreneur, Second Amendment activist, and social media personality.” “Texas is done with RINO’s. The war starts now,” Herrera said late Tuesday on X, using a common conservative abbreviation for “Republican in name only.” It's really starting to paint a picture of a crazy loser who was looking to go out in a blaze of glory with his name in the history books. You have to wonder about his family and how he was brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, 24K said: Older but Bernie has the sharpest mind out of both of them and it ain't even close. Heck Bernie today probably have a sharper mind than both VP candidates. Agree completely........such a shame they forced him out in 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: I doubt it. Its like when some of them were pissy over Bernie and didn't show up for Hillary. Lol what is there to be pissed about for Dems on Biden. There is no other candidate to be pissy with this go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, 24K said: And I say there is even lower chances with RFK Jr. than Biden even with all of Biden's age issues due to Dem base abandoning RFK. We can agree to disagree there. 1 minute ago, Satchmo said: I admire your tenacity above all else. So many people have disagreed with you on RFK yet you still try to convince us Haha thanks, and yes. A2D. 1 minute ago, Bob Long said: that plus a lot of people won't show up for Biden, imo. The dem's could get really slammed across the board. Joe needs to go. Go, Joe, go. See Joe go. I'm just trying out slogans. The thing that made both Bernie & Trump so popular in 2016 was the anti-establishment wave that emerged on both sides (which is why I brought up RFK). It hasn't gone away imo if anything the dishonesty of media has only decreased the faith in the institutions, but Biden has really cratered to the point he's becoming not viable aside from 'never Trumpers'. I don't know that Kamala can get them out of this either, but I don't know who they'd go too that would capture those disaffected who don't believe in the integrity of the institutions. I don't think Newsome would do it either. And that's before the assassination attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, 24K said: Dems will 100% show up for Biden. Question is will enough never Trumpers or independents show up for Biden. That is the scary part and I think his debate performance may have been enough for them to stay home. Biden is not going to put a bullseye on Trump. He'll use another phrase to the same effect. After the dust settles a bit he'll go after him again. This could still be reproductive rights election and a proper tying of Trump to Project 2025 and its' nefarious intentions could bring those independents and never Trumpers on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Smashian Kassian said: Haha thanks, and yes. A2D. The thing that made both Bernie & Trump so popular in 2016 was the anti-establishment wave that emerged on both sides (which is why I brought up RFK). It hasn't gone away imo if anything the dishonesty of media has only decreased the faith in the institutions, but Biden has really cratered to the point he's becoming not viable aside from 'never Trumpers'. I don't know that Kamala can get them out of this either, but I don't know who they'd go too that would capture those disaffected who don't believe in the integrity of the institutions. I don't think Newsome would do it either. And that's before the assassination attempt. The answer is Bernie but establishment will never allow for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Satchmo said: Biden is not going to put a bullseye on Trump. He'll use another phrase to the same effect. After the dust settles a bit he'll go after him again. This could still be reproductive rights election and a proper tying of Trump to Project 2025 and its' nefarious intentions could bring those independents and never Trumpers on board. The only good thing about this shooting from the Dem side is that it occurred now instead of say October. Plenty of time for media narrative to die down with voters short attention span. Bad thing is this caused rally to replace Biden to loss steam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 A thing I have to remind myself of, quite often; is not one of the much better candidates chose to truly oppose Joe. They must not think a return of Drumpf is as bad, as many of the rest of us. To name one Michelle Obama- not running, even though she'd likely have won.- Not concerned enough to 'take one ' for the team and throw her name in.? Heck even Barrack could have been named as VP running mate, but chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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