Sabrefan1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 19 minutes ago, stawns said: though conservative groups managed to upend her policies, her covid policies early on in the pandemic were very very popular and very effective That wasn't the point that I was trying to make or break. She still isn't liked by conservatives for those policies back then so that will cost some conservative independent votes. However my guess is that would likely pale in comparison to her delivering Michigan to a potential Harris candidacy. Then the money save in Michigan could potentially win them a 2nd battleground state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 4 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: That wasn't the point that I was trying to make or break. She still isn't liked by conservatives for those policies back then so that will cost some conservative independent votes. However my guess is that would likely pale in comparison to her delivering Michigan to a potential Harris candidacy. Then the money save in Michigan could potentially win them a 2nd battleground state. I think most of those "independents) were Haley supporters and are looking for anyone other than Trump to vote for, except for Biden and they've already shown they are happy to vote for a woman, Ultimately, at this point, I think US voters not in the cult just want someone sane and someone new to vote for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Just now, stawns said: I think most of those "independents) were Haley supporters and are looking for anyone other than Trump to vote for, except for Biden and they've already shown they are happy to vote for a woman, Ultimately, at this point, I think US voters not in the cult just want someone sane and someone new to vote for Well, if she does get a VP nod and accepts it, we'll find out. If not, then all we can do is speculate like we are doing now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) I just posted this in the UKR / RuZ thread, but it is directly related to Trump IF he gets power.. In Britain, Zelenskyy calls to follow Churchill's example to protect Europe "Will Europe remain a continent that will not give up in the face of tyrants? Will Europe be a continent of free nations and communities who are not afraid to fight? We all see how much the courage of previous generations helps us," Zelenskyy said. 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: There it is ,. Europes call to realize that the US may not be supporting the UKraine if Trump wins the election. The handcuffs will come off UKraine and RuZ will be taken whilst weak,. Putin will try to employ Trump for help . per: In Britain, Zelenskyy calls to follow Churchill's example to protect Europe "Will Europe remain a continent that will not give up in the face of tyrants? Will Europe be a continent of free nations and communities who are not afraid to fight? We all see how much the courage of previous generations helps us," Zelenskyy said. Edited July 18 by SilentSam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 And this is why you are supposed to actually do journalistic research BEFORE you publish a story... ABC (They weren't the only ones): Trump rally gunman left message on gaming platform before shooting https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-assassination-attempt-trump-motive-investigation-phone-suspect/story?id=112057259 CBS Online account thought to belong to Trump shooter was fake https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-called-july-13-premiere-online-post-assassination-attempt/ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 minute ago, Sabrefan1 said: And this is why you are supposed to actually do journalistic research BEFORE you publish a story... ABC (They weren't the only ones): Trump rally gunman left message on gaming platform before shooting https://abcnews.go.com/US/fbi-assassination-attempt-trump-motive-investigation-phone-suspect/story?id=112057259 CBS Online account thought to belong to Trump shooter was fake https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-called-july-13-premiere-online-post-assassination-attempt/ I see and agree with your point but both stories were written based on what the FBI reported. CNN: The FBI told senators on Wednesday that they believed the account did indeed belong to Crooks, the source familiar with the briefing said. But now the bureau has revised that assessment, the US official said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sabrefan1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 I also seem to remember saying that it was likely a nutjob loser who shot at Trump. Apparently the guy would have just been as happy shooting at Biden or the UK Royal Family... Quote The gunman searched for images of Trump and President Biden ahead of the shooting, according to law enforcement sources. The sources also told CBS News the gunman did searches about Trump's public appearances and dates, and about the Democratic National Convention, as well as searches about others, including the British royal family. Same link as the second one in my above post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: I see and agree with your point but both stories were written based on what the FBI reported. CNN: The FBI told senators on Wednesday that they believed the account did indeed belong to Crooks, the source familiar with the briefing said. But now the bureau has revised that assessment, the US official said. I read the same thing, but there's a reason why you are supposed to sit on a story until you are sure. The rush to be first is eroding the trust in news media. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 15 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: Well, if she does get a VP nod and accepts it, we'll find out. If not, then all we can do is speculate like we are doing now. And that's the fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurn Posted July 18 Popular Post Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: This is my point - shouldn't the dems be showing people they will have better jobs, better education and less taxes? Vs saying "look at Trump ?" I can't recall the last time an election was based on the good things a party did, or believes in; instead of 'my opponent is an idiot' type talk. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: This is my point - shouldn't the dems be showing people they will have better jobs, better education and less taxes? Vs saying "look at Trump ?" Biden's macroeconomic number is very good and that has done nothing to sway people to him. I think you overestimate the number of people these days that care about this kind of 'kitchen table' issues than those that vote with their emotions and social groups. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 36 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: None of that changes the fact that the corps will leave the USA if they are asked to pay significantly more tax. I'm sure there is a sweet spot but a flat 20% for all is not it. "Americans are just lazy" is a lazy generalization. Even so, they need jobs. There will be less jobs available if these corps leave. It's political and economic suicide for the US. Why would they disrupt their economic advantage? I agree their should be more checks and balances for politicians in the USA and here. But you can't compare Iceland to the USA. The USA literally 1000 citizens for every single Icelandic citizen. Nevermind the different ideology, culture, etc. Corps won't leave USA. It is the largest consumer market in the world. Where are they gonna go? China? I doubt it. It is really an issue with smaller markets like Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 And then there’s this other Treasonous Fk, taking roughly 25% of the presidential ballot right now,. Again set up by Putin . He’ll hand off his constituency to Trump to push Trump though,. Almost guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Thought they had laws for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 12 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Thought they had laws for Musk belongs in prison for treason. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 17 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I’m sure this is just another coincidence. I mean it’s totally normal for a company to short $360 million worth of Trump stock on a Friday. The reason you short a stock is because you think the price is going to go down. What could have happened Saturday night to make Trump’s stock tank on the Monday? FYI, Austin Private Wealth LLC is a fee only financial advisory company. They don’t do discretionary management. Which means one of their clients ordered this trade. Who was the client? Another FYI. This is the largest short position ever for Trump’s stock. This explains this conspiracy theory. US SEC sues Digital World's former CEO alleging securities fraud https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-sues-digital-worlds-former-ceo-alleging-securities-fraud-2024-07-17/ Just good old fashion insider trading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 This is good … 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 On 7/7/2024 at 9:17 PM, Sabrefan1 said: Nope. Like I said, it was my favourite part of the article. I've said here and in the Ukraine thread, more than once, that I want Europe to take care of the Russia/Ukraine problem, not us. The world police role is exhausting and not worth it. I don't like sending tens and hundreds of billions to other countries when our infrastructure is stagnant and tens of millions go hungry here in the US. If you mean the decimating Russian troops for attacking a NATO country part as flag waving, the Russian's have a tough enough time keeping their soldiers from abandoning their equipment and walking/running away from angry Ukrainians with tiny explosive drones. Now bring in a wing of F-16 & 18's, F-22's, FF-35's, etc. with precision guided missiles and the Russian ground troops would get demolished. Then the world gets destabilized which could lead to parts of a few continents glowing in the dark. Having to attack Russian troops would suck, but if they say, march into Poland, a good number of those Russians wouldn't march back out. I think the French and UK air forces could likely do the same thing except they don't have the same stealth tech on their planes so they would lose many more planes. Well shouldn't have gotten them to get rid of the nukes then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elias Pettersson Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 29 minutes ago, 24K said: This explains this conspiracy theory. US SEC sues Digital World's former CEO alleging securities fraud https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-sec-sues-digital-worlds-former-ceo-alleging-securities-fraud-2024-07-17/ Just good old fashion insider trading. Actually that doesn't explain anything. Who shorted 12 million shares of Trump stock on July 12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Update on Biden: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Actually that doesn't explain anything. Who shorted 12 million shares of Trump stock on July 12? Who cares who did it. Someone had insider info and this is the way more likely reason than some grand conspiracy to assassinate Trump with a 20 year old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Hesitant to re-open this misogynist can of worms but... The US Secret Service pushed back Thursday against recent criticism from right-wing media personalities and lawmakers blaming female agents for security failures during the assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump. In the wake of the Saturday shooting, some right-wing media figures focused their attention on the female agents on stage with Trump, claiming they couldn’t properly protect someone bigger and taller than themselves, or that they didn’t act in a professional manner. Edited videos that have garnered millions of views on social media as supposed evidence of female incompetence, showed a female Secret Service agent seemingly struggling to holster her gun amid the chaotic scene as a group of agents escorted Trump to his motorcade. Law enforcement professionals, including a former Secret Service deputy director, have strenuously pushed back on the narrative, that has been promoted on Fox News and billionaire X owner Elon Musk, who has pledged his support for Trump. https://www.cnn.com/secret-service-female-agents-backlash-right-media/index.html 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Five possible candidates who poll better than biden in swing states. Though I think harris would be rge candidate, I think all 5 here would be vp possibilities https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4777222-biden-replacement-democrats-battleground/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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