Bob Long Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 6 minutes ago, stawns said: Just read that too did a quick look at Canadian polling, and yep, there's a definite 5 point bump for PP with the online polls. Still a big lead with telephone polling but there is a trend there for sure. Twitter polling is just horse pucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricky Ravioli Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 47 minutes ago, 4petesake said: 538 has them rated at 0 stars with a reliability score just a few spots behind @Ricky Ravioli’s poll of his grandmas whether or not they thought he was cute. Fake news. Your mum says I'm cute, and that's the only validation I have ever needed 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Warhippy Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 50 minutes ago, Bob Long said: interesting article here on online poll bias. Honestly I think this might account for some of PP's numbers: https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2020/02/18/assessing-the-risks-to-online-polls-from-bogus-respondents/ Was actually going to chime in and make this same similar statement The issue with polls is that the phone calling samples are predominantly answered by people 55 or over. Usually caucasian. The demographics of the 40 and under crowd do not answer phones. Like period. Especially from random numbers or private callers. Everyone has call display now. The issue with polls is that the online samples are so easily skewed via bogus answering or trolling or are in fact answered by individuals with fake addresses or residences and can in fact be individuals in other countries. Anyone who points to polls or suggests that Trump currently holds a 24 point lead over Harris and suggests that maybe the truth lies in the middle is ignoring the fact that the truth is literally being taken from a sample size of individuals in an increasingly pigeonholed demographic that skews heavily one way or another. Polls don't count, the ballots do. Ask Maduro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: It proves all these polls are a waste of time. And I highly doubt this dude has over half a million angry Republican followers... No, not at all. What it proves is that internet polls are a waste of time. I'd be willing to bet a good portion of the IP's voting aren't even in the USA. In 1984 Reagan won 49 states with 59% of the popular vote. Trump having 73% of the vote is a drug induced fantasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Curmudgeon Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 9 hours ago, Boudrias said: Biden came into his presidency talking about uniting the country and he failed to do that. Just a point of clarification: EVERY presidential candidate in living memory (except for Trump) has talked about uniting the country and every president has failed in that pursuit. I would say that Biden has come a lot closer to achieving that goal than Trump ever could. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper removes himself from Harris VP consideration North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper has taken himself out of consideration to be Vice President Kamala Harris’ potential running mate, according to two sources familiar with the discussions. Cooper, viewed as one of the top contenders for the role, is said to have expressed concern about going through the veepstakes process at age 67. There has also been concern among some Democrats about Mark Robinson, the state’s Republican lieutenant governor whom the state constitution says would perform the governor’s duties when the governor is absent from the state. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/29/politics/harris-vice-president-roy-cooper/index.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 46 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Was actually going to chime in and make this same similar statement The issue with polls is that the phone calling samples are predominantly answered by people 55 or over. Usually caucasian. The demographics of the 40 and under crowd do not answer phones. Like period. Especially from random numbers or private callers. Everyone has call display now. The issue with polls is that the online samples are so easily skewed via bogus answering or trolling or are in fact answered by individuals with fake addresses or residences and can in fact be individuals in other countries. Anyone who points to polls or suggests that Trump currently holds a 24 point lead over Harris and suggests that maybe the truth lies in the middle is ignoring the fact that the truth is literally being taken from a sample size of individuals in an increasingly pigeonholed demographic that skews heavily one way or another. Polls don't count, the ballots do. Ask Maduro Cons in the US are shitting themselves. This could be Obama 2.0. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 10 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Just a point of clarification: EVERY presidential candidate in living memory (except for Trump) has talked about uniting the country and every president has failed in that pursuit. I would say that Biden has come a lot closer to achieving that goal than Trump ever could. You can't unite people who don't want to be united. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kilgore Posted July 30 Popular Post Share Posted July 30 19 minutes ago, Bob Long said: You can't unite people who don't want to be united. USA Odd name for that country wot 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Was actually going to chime in and make this same similar statement The issue with polls is that the phone calling samples are predominantly answered by people 55 or over. Usually caucasian. The demographics of the 40 and under crowd do not answer phones. Like period. Especially from random numbers or private callers. Everyone has call display now. The issue with polls is that the online samples are so easily skewed via bogus answering or trolling or are in fact answered by individuals with fake addresses or residences and can in fact be individuals in other countries. Anyone who points to polls or suggests that Trump currently holds a 24 point lead over Harris and suggests that maybe the truth lies in the middle is ignoring the fact that the truth is literally being taken from a sample size of individuals in an increasingly pigeonholed demographic that skews heavily one way or another. Polls don't count, the ballots do. Ask Maduro Have to consider Nate Silver (538) is getting paid by the GOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 12 minutes ago, Bob Long said: You can't unite people who don't want to be united. I think there is a lot of truth in this statement. In my opinion, to achieve unity requires compromise. It means giving up some of what you want to get most of what you need. It seems American politics has devolved to the point of armed battle where fear and ignorance take precedence over reason, knowledge, respect and acceptance. There was a time when Republicans and Democrats debated with a level of civility that evaporated around the time of Ronald Reagan, when politics became a blood sport where legislation took second place to scoring political points against the other guys. Prime example: The bipartisan bill that would have cleaned up the southern border crisis was killed by remote control from Trump who sabotaged it so that Biden wouldn't get the win. Trump encouraged chaos for his own selfish purposes. As you have said, Bob, how can you even begin to achieve unity with people who have no interest in unity? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: I think there is a lot of truth in this statement. In my opinion, to achieve unity requires compromise. It means giving up some of what you want to get most of what you need. It seems American politics has devolved to the point of armed battle where fear and ignorance take precedence over reason, knowledge, respect and acceptance. There was a time when Republicans and Democrats debated with a level of civility that evaporated around the time of Ronald Reagan, when politics became a blood sport where legislation took second place to scoring political points against the other guys. Prime example: The bipartisan bill that would have cleaned up the southern border crisis was killed by remote control from Trump who sabotaged it so that Biden wouldn't get the win. Trump encouraged chaos for his own selfish purposes. As you have said, Bob, how can you even begin to achieve unity with people who have no interest in unity? You heard their bs right after trump got his ear scratched, they said it was the democrats that had to move towards the gop. Anyone that won't acknowledge the actual extremism in the GOP is clueless or lying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilgore Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 7 hours ago, the destroyer of worlds said: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/07/29/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-bold-plan-to-reform-the-supreme-court-and-ensure-no-president-is-above-the-law/ FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. In recent years, the Supreme Court has overturned long-established legal precedents protecting fundamental rights. This Court has gutted civil rights protections, taken away a woman’s right to choose, and now granted Presidents broad immunity from prosecution for crimes they commit in office. At the same time, recent ethics scandals involving some Justices have caused the public to question the fairness and independence that are essential for the Court to faithfully carry out its mission to deliver justice for all Americans. President Biden believes that no one—neither the President nor the Supreme Court—is above the law. In the face of this crisis of confidence in America’s democratic institutions, President Biden is calling for three bold reforms to restore trust and accountability: No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President. Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court. Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court: President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge. President Biden and Vice President Harris look forward to working with Congress and empowering the American people to prevent the abuse of Presidential power, restore faith in the Supreme Court, and strengthen the guardrails of democracy. President Biden thanks the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States for its insightful analysis of Supreme Court reform proposals. The Administration will continue its work to ensure that no one is above the law – and in America, the people rule. No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court There is nothing radical or partisan about that reform. If the GOP wasn't radicalized up the yin yang themselves they'd support this. Edited July 30 by kilgore 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 32 minutes ago, kilgore said: No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court There is nothing radical or partisan about that reform. If the GOP wasn't radicalized up the yin yang themselves they'd support this. I hear Kamala is going to rename it from SCOTUS to SCOTBLM. Some dude named Petey said. In a poll. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I hear Kamala is going to rename it from SCOTUS to SCOTBLM. Some dude named Petey said. In a poll. Did it involve a dinner party with experts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 45 minutes ago, kilgore said: No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court There is nothing radical or partisan about that reform. If the GOP wasn't radicalized up the yin yang themselves they'd support this. My guess it is radical because: 1) their candidate really really really needs immunity. 2) two of their SCOTUS Justices are on the senior side of that term limit. Meaning a Dem POTUS could flip the court. 3) One or two of their SCOTUS Justices are corrupt and should have been absent from a number of decisions. One shouldn't be part of any TRUMP decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, kilgore said: No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court There is nothing radical or partisan about that reform. If the GOP wasn't radicalized up the yin yang themselves they'd support this. They're afraid of the consequences for them once the SCOTUS is denazified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 46 minutes ago, Bob Long said: I hear Kamala is going to rename it from SCOTUS to SCOTBLM. Some dude named Petey said. In a poll. You and the other dude who never confronts me directly are lucky I am in a good mood today... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: You and the other dude who never confronts me directly are lucky I am in a good mood today... I don't feel lucky, I read your post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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