stawns Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 3 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: Do you have empathy for Hitler? What about Putin? How about that doctor that is jail for raping hundreds of underage girls? Empathy for them? Why? What have they done to earn anything but disdain and hatred? I think empathy is a great default to start most people off with. BUT It can be taken away, and I think cutting off some poor kids fucking head on a bus is grounds for getting it taken away. That seems fair. Hence why I said "most" Further to that, you don't know what's in their past that led them down those roads. It doesn't excuse the things people do, or absolve them from consequence.........it's understanding that most people who do these terrible things have had traumatic experiences that have led to terrible actions. Edited August 4 by stawns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: This is the first time I e heard anyone with this take on that situation, and it’s pretty fucking wild IMO. Him getting out is a huge skid mark on the underpants of our nation. After his treatment in a hospital, he should have been moved to a prison to live out the rest of his life. Was he mentally rehabbed? Yes? Sure let him out of the hospital. Did he cut a persons fucking head off? Yup! Crazy or not, he did it. He needs to be locked up for life. That whole thing was a sad fucking disaster. That poor kid and his family. Im absolutely shocked to hear someone say his release is a success of our system. That’s absolutely wild. That's the first time you've heard of people having empathy for individuals have done bad things? I'm not religious, but isnt that what most of the New testament is about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post 4petesake Posted August 4 Popular Post Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, stawns said: That's the first time you've heard of people having empathy for individuals have done bad things? I'm not religious, but isnt that what most of the New testament is about? This goes way beyond empathy though. My order for empathy goes first and foremost to the victim, his family, society and finally to the person who committed the crime. Empathy shouldn’t be equal when you consider the act. I’m very glad he’s on his meds and doing well but let’s not pretend many people don’t decide to go off their meds. Anyway we should probably take this to the Canadian Politics thread as I didn’t mean to derail this thread when I made the analogy. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 35 minutes ago, stawns said: That's the first time you've heard of people having empathy for individuals have done bad things? I'm not religious, but isnt that what most of the New testament is about? No. On this particular Vince Li case. Also, I could t care less what the bible says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 42 minutes ago, stawns said: Hence why I said "most" Further to that, you don't know what's in their past that led them down those roads. It doesn't excuse the things people do, or absolve them from consequence.........it's understanding that most people who do these terrible things have had traumatic experiences that have led to terrible actions. It is absolutely common these folks have previous traumas that help lead to these horrible events. That is another failure of our systems to allow it to get this bad. And yeah, past doesn’t absolve actions today. He should absolutely be in jail for the rest of his life. Good job for him to be taking the proper medication to prevent him from cutting more heads off for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 minute ago, D.B Cooper said: No. On this particular Vince Li case. Also, I could t care less what the bible says. If this is the particular case you are interested in why did you bring up Hitler, Putin, and abusive doctors as if they had some relation to this case? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 4 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: It is absolutely common these folks have previous traumas that help lead to these horrible events. That is another failure of our systems to allow it to get this bad. And yeah, past doesn’t absolve actions today. He should absolutely be in jail for the rest of his life. Good job for him to be taking the proper medication to prevent him from cutting more heads off for now. He was found not criminally responsible and when he solved his mental health issues that caused the act, he was released and has never had any incident even resembling criminality in the last 9 years. That's what we hope for from our justice system........we employ a rehabilitation and re-integration model for our incarcerated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 11 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: No. On this particular Vince Li case. Also, I could t care less what the bible says. Nor do I, but you indicated you've never heard of empathy for those who commit violent crime and I pointed out it's a very common thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nuckin_futz Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Some late money coming in on Minnesota Governor Walz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 45 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: Hands up, all who are surprised by this. I'll wait. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, D.B Cooper said: Do you have empathy for Hitler? What about Putin? How about that doctor that is jail for raping hundreds of underage girls? Empathy for them? Why? What have they done to earn anything but disdain and hatred? I think empathy is a great default to start most people off with. BUT It can be taken away, and I think cutting off some poor kids fucking head on a bus is grounds for getting it taken away. That seems fair. This is one of the worst takes and posts I have ever seen on this or the OG board. And I have checked out the proposals section...twice. Edited August 4 by Gnarcore 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilentSam Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 To add to an earlier post : fully equipped with advanced techs, Longer survival , .. multiple weapons platforms and radar / guidance advances .. beast modes. … worth waiting for fully trained pilots to operate , and conversions of F16’s . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 41 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Can you guys maybe get back on topic? make sure that nasty wife of his is part of the investigation too. If this has real legs under it, maybe he'll quit if they agree to drop the investigation. That would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 2 hours ago, stawns said: Nor do I, but you indicated you've never heard of empathy for those who commit violent crime and I pointed out it's a very common thing Again, I’ve never heard of anyone backing Vince Li’s release and saying it is a success story. There is no rehabbing this Li decapitated McLean and displayed his severed head through a window to those standing outside the bus, then returned to McLean's body and began severing other parts and consuming some of McLean's flesh. Witnesses stated that this went on for a few hours.[5] Edited August 4 by D.B Cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1 hour ago, Gnarcore said: This is one of the worst takes and posts I have ever seen on this or the OG board. And I have checked out the proposals section...twice. How so? You have empathy for those monsters as well? I was touching on him saying empathy should be had for all. I think it’s fucked to show empathy to those who showed none themselves. Thats a bad take? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Gnarcore said: This is one of the worst takes and posts I have ever seen on this or the OG board. And I have checked out the proposals section...twice. its like he can't understand that people can be not guilty due to mental illness. Doesn't mean you release them to the general public, but the faux rage posturing is goofy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 wrong thread. apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 My apologies, I realize sometimes I cross thread posts .. not trying to upset anything , or anything at all. I sometime forget to double check . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gnarcore Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 46 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said: How so? You have empathy for those monsters as well? I was touching on him saying empathy should be had for all. I think it’s fucked to show empathy to those who showed none themselves. Thats a bad take? Absolutely abysmal comparison. Two are dictators and despots one of which is responsible for some of the most horrific events in human history and the other for over half a million dead. The other is a person suffering from a mental health issue. It is not empathy for him...I think he maybe should have stayed in the loony bin if going off his meds can result in such a thing..but to use what was said as if someone had empathy for those two based off the legitimate argument given is asinine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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