JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Hasn't been on in almost 4 years. Once is enough for me. He has defended him recently too, fwiw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Man Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 57 minutes ago, 24K said: Yeah but it opens up attack from Trump that Harris has no original ideas. Personally I hate it, why should people that can get tips get a tax break while those salaried get none. In Canada tips are taxable, not sure about US, but I guess it is taxable as well. People , probably, just not reporting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, 24K said: Yeah but it opens up attack from Trump that Harris has no original ideas. Personally I hate it, why should people that can get tips get a tax break while those salaried get none. Because usually those jobs are min wage plus tips. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Silent Man said: In Canada tips are taxable, not sure about US, but I guess it is taxable as well. People , probably, just not reporting it They are in the US right now. Hard to not report them these days as very few tip in cash. Edited August 11 by 24K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: Because usually those jobs are min wage plus tips. Well right policy is to fix that first. No more two tier minimal wage. When this pass, it is going to make tipping hell. Tipflation will go into hyper drive and tipping demand will surge. You think 20% is high, I am not going to be surprised hospitality start demanding tips in the 50 percentile if not 100%. Why not, these are tax free. Anyone tipping less than 100% are devils and monsters. Just a horrible policy all around. Edited August 11 by 24K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, 24K said: Yeah but it opens up attack from Trump that Harris has no original ideas. Personally I hate it, why should people that can get tips get a tax break while those salaried get none. Salaried individuals tend to work vastly better paying jobs with benefits. The service industry in the US is pegged at just under 25 millions people or around 1/8th of the US labour force. These are individuals making minimum wage at some of the harder positions in the labour force based on recent studies regarding employee burnout/stress. In Nevada the labour force is around 1.6 million people with 363,000 of those being directly in the service industry with another 386k jobs in the casino or gaming sector (another branch of service industry under the NGC) meaning that almost half of the entire state of nevada works in a lower paid position with tips as a major factor to their total earnings. This is a huge thing for people and the suggestion of non taxation for tips in the service industry is a massive win and if both parties are claiming that as a platform promise; it absolutely benefits Harris in a swing state 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 59 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Salaried individuals tend to work vastly better paying jobs with benefits. The service industry in the US is pegged at just under 25 millions people or around 1/8th of the US labour force. These are individuals making minimum wage at some of the harder positions in the labour force based on recent studies regarding employee burnout/stress. In Nevada the labour force is around 1.6 million people with 363,000 of those being directly in the service industry with another 386k jobs in the casino or gaming sector (another branch of service industry under the NGC) meaning that almost half of the entire state of nevada works in a lower paid position with tips as a major factor to their total earnings. This is a huge thing for people and the suggestion of non taxation for tips in the service industry is a massive win and if both parties are claiming that as a platform promise; it absolutely benefits Harris in a swing state It is a massive win for those that work in the tip-abke service industry and a massive loss for everyone else. Forget about white color jobs in finance and stem for the moment, what about retail service workers? That is a large workforce too? How would they benefit? Are we about to see tipping adopted widely and on a mandatory scale like restraunts? We probably going to see mandatory tipping for any service now like calling the plumbers as well. You are creating an incentive and a huge one at that to demand tips for every service under the sun driving up inflation and sewing friction between service workers and customers. We are already seeing consumer backlash to tipping everywhere and at insanely high percentages and this will just make it worse. You don't solve a problem like this for low income service workers through such a lopsided policy. I laughed when Trumpnsuggested it and am very disappointed with Harris for it. Yes it will help her with the election and sound great on the surface, but like every Trump idea, stop and think it for a second or two and the unintended consequences just come flooding out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 10 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Joe Rogan also continues to give alex jones a platform. Diminutive as he is, he's still a massive pos. Jones hasn’t been on JRE since 2020. Folks are so triggered by Joe. hahahah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 2 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Once is enough for me. He has defended him recently too, fwiw He didn’t defend him. He said he was right about a couple things. Also, who cares what Joe says? He is a comedian/entertainer who is getting baked, drunk and high on mushrooms for every episode. It blows me away when people take him seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, 24K said: Well right policy is to fix that first. No more two tier minimal wage. When this pass, it is going to make tipping hell. Tipflation will go into hyper drive and tipping demand will surge. You think 20% is high, I am not going to be surprised hospitality start demanding tips in the 50 percentile if not 100%. Why not, these are tax free. Anyone tipping less than 100% are devils and monsters. Just a horrible policy all around. What's right policy wise and what's possible are two different things. I don't know how wage law in the US works, is that a state level decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, 24K said: It is a massive win for those that work in the tip-abke service industry and a massive loss for everyone else. Forget about white color jobs in finance and stem for the moment, what about retail service workers? That is a large workforce too? How would they benefit? Are we about to see tipping adopted widely and on a mandatory scale like restraunts? We probably going to see mandatory tipping for any service now like calling the plumbers as well. You are creating an incentive and a huge one at that to demand tips for every service under the sun driving up inflation and sewing friction between service workers and customers. We are already seeing consumer backlash to tipping everywhere and at insanely high percentages and this will just make it worse. You don't solve a problem like this for low income service workers through such a lopsided policy. I laughed when Trumpnsuggested it and am very disappointed with Harris for it. Yes it will help her with the election and sound great on the surface, but like every Trump idea, stop and think it for a second or two and the unintended consequences just come flooding out. Pretty easy problem to solve by including a definition of which groups of workers qualify with the legislation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: What's right policy wise and what's possible are two different things. I don't know how wage law in the US works, is that a state level decision? There is a federal minimum wage and some state have their own minimum wage as do some cities. The higher of of all three jurisdiction set the minimum wage. Congress can easily eliminate tipped wage exception and set minimum wage to level with the every median of minimal wage across all states. Now if state minimal wage for tipped worker is above the federal level then it probably won't change much but most state would follow suite with adjustment by the the federal gonvernment. Most state pretty much already ensures tipped worker be paid at least minimal wage after tipped are included. Actually since most state already gurantee the minimum wage, tax exemption for tip really do screw over other minimal wage class workers like restockers or retial sales that do not get tips. Changing minimum wage laws to close up any state with the tipped wage loopholes is probably a way easier lift than amending the tax code and build in bunch of rail guards. Heck even easier to just cut tax or increase returns for that bracket and call it a day. More fair, less headaches, and definitely easier to pass congress to achieve the same result. Edited August 11 by 24K 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Pretty easy problem to solve by including a definition of which groups of workers qualify with the legislation. Well I have to assume they have to build in guardrails but it is just increasing bureaucracy and headaches in the tax code not to mention bunch of loopholes for unscrupulous people to take advantage of. Heck just cut income tax rate or increase returns on the lower bracket and call it a day. Does the same thing without all the headaches not to mention more fair to non tipped low income workers. Edited August 11 by 24K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Vance is more of a girly-man than Dotard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 When I made a lot in tips, at one point I hated that it wasn't taxed. It effected how much mortgage I could qualify for. I think the bank said I could claim 10% of my tips. I made soo much dough, as I was a Granville st bartender but the bank could not trust it as the nature of tips could be inconsistent. That said, I'm kinda in favour of not taxing tips. I like that I can give someone money, any amount, if I feel like it. Gov doesn't need to get a cut. Remember, you dont have to tip. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: When I made a lot in tips, at one point I hated that it wasn't taxed. It effected how much mortgage I could qualify for. I think the bank said I could claim 10% of my tips. I made soo much dough, as I was a Granville st bartender but the bank could not trust it as the nature of tips could be inconsistent. That said, I'm kinda in favour of not taxing tips. I like that I can give someone money, any amount, if I feel like it. Gov doesn't need to get a cut. Remember, you dont have to tip. There was a certain restaurant in our town that we went to a lot in the past. One thing we came to notice was that the manager was checking the tables once the patrons left and he would pocket any tips that were left. We had one older waitress that served us often and was very attentive to checking for refills etc. We started tipping her on the sly in cash when he wasn't looking as none of the servers were supposed to get the tip money, just the manager. I will not return to any restaurant that charges the tip automatically. I'm old school; I only tip for good service provided. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 3 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: I will not return to any restaurant that charges the tip automatically. I'm old school; I only tip for good service provided. I agree with this. I think tipping in itself is kinda oldschool in concept, but I like it for that. I feel it encourages positive interactions, as a good tip is not a guarantee for the employee. Maybe a solution for the taxing angle should be a low percentage tips declared with yearly earnings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the destroyer of worlds Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 (edited) They didn't just write it down. They made videos. 23 videos totaling 14 hours in content. And the overwhelming majority of the people who speak in the videos worked for TRUMP at some point on his transition team, his campaign, or his administration. https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-project-2025-secret-training-videos-trump-election Inside Project 2025’s Secret Training Videos ProPublica uploaded the videos: https://www.propublica.org/article/video-project-2025-presidential-training-academy-trump-election Edited August 11 by the destroyer of worlds 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 14 hours ago, Bob Long said: Because usually those jobs are min wage plus tips. Exactly....the wages are based on the fact that the employees earn tips on top of it. Depending on the job, tips might make up the bulk of the person's income. That being said, making them tax exempt is a bit of a nothingburger.....most people just claim a small amount (if anything) and roll the dice that they won't get audited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Harris acknowledging the Gaza protestors pretty well here. Good engagement, more than I would have credited her for days before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, DSVII said: Harris acknowledging the Gaza protestors pretty well here. Good engagement, more than I would have credited her for days before. Thats nice of her. She's batting 1000 She takes the time even though she doesn't really need to. She is the only choice for those that support the Palestinian struggle, if they vote at all. The alternative is not an option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, bishopshodan said: I agree with this. I think tipping in itself is kinda oldschool in concept, but I like it for that. I feel it encourages positive interactions, as a good tip is not a guarantee for the employee. Maybe a solution for the taxing angle should be a low percentage tips declared with yearly earnings. Many of the tips that are done individually and in cash, are probably under reported. There is a thriving black market out there because of excessive taxation especially for low to moderate income earners. It is even common to see it in the trades where two persons plying different trades swap their services with little to no cash involved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, bishopshodan said: When I made a lot in tips, at one point I hated that it wasn't taxed. It effected how much mortgage I could qualify for. I think the bank said I could claim 10% of my tips. I made soo much dough, as I was a Granville st bartender but the bank could not trust it as the nature of tips could be inconsistent. That said, I'm kinda in favour of not taxing tips. I like that I can give someone money, any amount, if I feel like it. Gov doesn't need to get a cut. Remember, you dont have to tip. The downside to receiving the bulk of your income from tips is that unless you choose to make CPP contributions separately you are losing a lot of income at retirement. EI as well but I’m not sure on this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 Stable genius is going to have a stroke by November. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Stable genius is going to have a stroke by November. Is it possible to have a stroke when you don't have a functioning brain? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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