stawns Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 57 minutes ago, Bob Long said: they didn't need to upend it, they had control of it. There was very little room for people to be outside the bell cure. The angry weird uncles had a home. But Singh isn't middle. Thats my point, having Singh and PP emerge as out two choices outside of Quebec will lead us to what we see in the US. And deserve is meaningless. Come up with policies that work for most people, that we can afford. Just because they've sat at the kids table most of the time doesn't mean they automatically should get power, just because. I know he's not the middle, thatz the point.....let's give another perspective a try. Their policies move the country forward and with the largest generation (anchor) in human history dying off, it's time to change course, imo. I don't buy the "can't afford it" argument. It's a bullshit red herring 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Just now, stawns said: I know he's not the middle, thatz the point.....let's give another perspective a try. Their policies move the country forward and with the largest generation (anchor) in human history dying off, it's time to change course, imo. I don't buy the "can't afford it" argument. It's a bullshit red herring lets move this over to Canada ----> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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4petesake Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 20 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: That tracks. It’s worth a reminder who these people are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DSVII Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: The news corps must really be sweating about that 28% corp tax rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 21 hours ago, RupertKBD said: You're over complicating it.... Biden thought he was the only one who could beat Trump. In 2020, that was likely true, but this is four years later. After his disastrous debate, several people (including his family members) eventually convinced him that this was no longer the case and it was likely that staying in the race would lead to a second Donald Trump administration. The fact that it took a week or so for him to be convinced isn't unusual. In fact, I'd say it's typical. You have a much higher opinion of Jill Biden than me. This is the most important she had ever been in her life, I doubt highly she was happy to relinquish power. Not only that but Hunter Biden's freedom could potentially hinge on who's in the Whitehouse. But we can agree to disagree 21 hours ago, Satchmo said: I am most definitely not defending the DNC. I have no more insider information than you do and only know what I've read. I am not the one voicing my personal opinions as facts though, nor am I trying to promote ideas that I can't back up. Aren't discussion boards about sharing opinions? How exactly this went down can't be proven on with 100% certainty either way, so both sides in this debate kinda are. 21 hours ago, stawns said: I don't think there was a push to oust him or that he was ousted........people have to much respect for Biden to do that. I think there was a push to help him see the reality of the situation and to see what it would mean for the country. I also think there's an outside chance this was the plan all along Look fellas lets steelman this. @RupertKBD @Satchmo I think we can agree; Joe clearly wanted to continue on & had said as much, powers within the Democrat party (donors too) decided it couldn't happen for the sake of the party, and they 'convinced' him to step aside. (Whatever we each think that means) My position where maybe we disagree is; I think the determination had been made Joe couldn't continue, and if he hadn't given in they would've been willing to go as far as necessary. So the steelman question is; Joe Biden dropped out a month before the DNC, if he had continued refusing to step aside do you think we would be in a world today where he was confirmed the nominee at the DNC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) I thought the RFK speech was pretty good, specifically the part when he talked about chronic health problems of the country. That doesn't get enough attention in the national conversation (probably due to lobbyists I'd guess). I also got a kick out of him talking about how the corporate press was captured right at the beginning so it would be aired live on those networks. CTV even cut away from it right at that point, effectively making his point. Hilarious. Anyways, strategically its great timing for Trump, only one day after the DNC & they grab the headlines with this endorsement. Edited August 24 by Smashian Kassian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: You have a much higher opinion of Jill Biden than me. This is the most important she had ever been in her life, I doubt highly she was happy to relinquish power. Not only that but Hunter Biden's freedom could potentially hinge on who's in the Whitehouse. But we can agree to disagree Aren't discussion boards about sharing opinions? How exactly this went down can't be proven on with 100% certainty either way, so both sides in this debate kinda are. Look fellas lets steelman this. @RupertKBD @Satchmo I think we can agree; Joe clearly wanted to continue on & had said as much, powers within the Democrat party (donors too) decided it couldn't happen for the sake of the party, and they 'convinced' him to step aside. (Whatever we each think that means) My position where maybe we disagree is; I think the determination had been made Joe couldn't continue, and if he hadn't given in they would've been willing to go as far as necessary. So the steelman question is; Joe Biden dropped out a month before the DNC, if he had continued refusing to step aside do you think we would be in a world today where he was confirmed the nominee at the DNC? I regret getting into this discussion and wish I had not felt compelled to reply days ago. After all these posts two things remain clear: - I can't understand what you are basing your opinions on and can't accept the conclusions you have reached. - You can't understand what I am basing my opinions on and can't accept the conclusions I have reached. Let's call it. We are not likely to come to an agreement and we are probably just boring everybody else. Edited August 24 by Satchmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Curmudgeon Posted August 24 Popular Post Share Posted August 24 17 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Anyways, strategically its great timing for Trump, only one day after the DNC & they grab the headlines with this endorsement. With respect, RFK is a non-factor. He has routinely criticized Trump and warned of the dire consequences of re-electing the Donald. He apparently wants a job in government and Trump seems happy to give him one. Note also that he tried to negotiate with Kamala's campaign and they wouldn't even talk to him. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 13 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: I thought the RFK speech was pretty good, specifically the part when he talked about chronic health problems of the country. That doesn't get enough attention in the national conversation (probably due to lobbyists I'd guess). I also got a kick out of him talking about how the corporate press was captured right at the beginning so it would be aired live on those networks. CTV even cut away from it right at that point, effectively making his point. Hilarious. Anyways, strategically its great timing for Trump, only one day after the DNC & they grab the headlines with this endorsement. To each their own. I may get flamed by some for agreeing with CNN but I thought it was kind of gibberish (believe me I do not always agree with CNN). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: With respect, RFK is a non-factor. He has routinely criticized Trump and warned of the dire consequences of re-electing the Donald. He apparently wants a job in government and Trump seems happy to give him one. Note also that he tried to negotiate with Kamala's campaign and they wouldn't even talk to him. Didn’t Trump call Harris a loser for dropping out of the race in 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Curmudgeon Posted August 24 Popular Post Share Posted August 24 19 minutes ago, Satchmo said: You have a much higher opinion of Jill Biden than me. This is the most important she had ever been in her life, I doubt highly she was happy to relinquish power. I think you are completely wrong about that. As with most couples who have been together for several decades, they are devoted to each other and put each other's health and wellness ahead of everything else. And really, what "power" does the First Lady really have to give up? Or maybe you think the total love and devotion she showed him during the convention was some sort of stage managed act. I don't. I saw a woman who cares deeply about her husband and is probably glad he decided to step down in order to enjoy his last years in peace and without the enormous stress that the presidency brings. I believe she'd rather have her husband than the presidency. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RupertKBD Posted August 24 Popular Post Share Posted August 24 51 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: You have a much higher opinion of Jill Biden than me. This is the most important she had ever been in her life, I doubt highly she was happy to relinquish power. Not only that but Hunter Biden's freedom could potentially hinge on who's in the Whitehouse. But we can agree to disagree Aren't discussion boards about sharing opinions? How exactly this went down can't be proven on with 100% certainty either way, so both sides in this debate kinda are. Look fellas lets steelman this. @RupertKBD @Satchmo I think we can agree; Joe clearly wanted to continue on & had said as much, powers within the Democrat party (donors too) decided it couldn't happen for the sake of the party, and they 'convinced' him to step aside. (Whatever we each think that means) My position where maybe we disagree is; I think the determination had been made Joe couldn't continue, and if he hadn't given in they would've been willing to go as far as necessary. So the steelman question is; Joe Biden dropped out a month before the DNC, if he had continued refusing to step aside do you think we would be in a world today where he was confirmed the nominee at the DNC? We do disagree, Kass and yes, that's just fine. It's my firm belief that much like the Trump assassination attempt, you're looking for a conspiracy where none exists. Occam's Razor, my friend.... As you your question, I believe the answer is yes. Had Joe decided to stay in the race, they would have confirmed him.....although I will grant you one caveat: Had he had a second debate performance like the first, I think the pressure would have been too great for him to continue. One thing I think you're overlooking here, is that Joe Biden is a smart man and a shrewd politician. I believe he would have (and did) come to the conclusion that he could no longer win. He understands that keeping Trump out of the White House is far more important than keeping himself in. That's why he stepped aside.....not because there was some sort of bloodless coup.... 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Elon Musk bails out NASA and their failed $4.2 billion project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 2 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: I think you are completely wrong about that. As with most couples who have been together for several decades, they are devoted to each other and put each other's health and wellness ahead of everything else. And really, what "power" does the First Lady really have to give up? Or maybe you think the total love and devotion she showed him during the convention was some sort of stage managed act. I don't. I saw a woman who cares deeply about her husband and is probably glad he decided to step down in order to enjoy his last years in peace and without the enormous stress that the presidency brings. I believe she'd rather have her husband than the presidency. I think it was SmashingKassian who said what you were replying to; not me. (I agree with you though. I think Jill Biden was probably not more than a small factor in all this.) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Elon Musk bails out NASA and their failed $4.2 billion project... Doesn't Boeing deserve more blame than NASA? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 3 hours ago, JIAHN said: If the Republicans are smart...this guy will run for POTUS some day. The guy reminds me of Obama. There's your problem right there.... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 3 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Doesn't Boeing deserve more blame than NASA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Elon Musk has an incredible team of women running his companies. Nice to see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 1 minute ago, Elias Pettersson said: Maybe. NASA gave a big contract to a company with a long and storied history of delivering reliable products. A great American success story. Boeing has recently tarnished that history with screwup after screwup. Let's see if NASA will get fooled gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Elon Musk has an incredible team of women running his companies. Nice to see... Is it Elon appreciation day? If I join the fan club do I get a badge and a decoder ring? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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