Bob Long Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: In the minds of a significant percentage of the population, Gates is the personification of evil greater that the of Fauci. That's a rabbit hole even I try to avoid. When you take on this kind of thing, you should get a pass: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/our-work/programs/global-health/neglected-tropical-diseases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 43 minutes ago, the destroyer of worlds said: In the minds of a significant percentage of the population, Gates is the personification of evil greater that the of Fauci. That's a rabbit hole even I try to avoid. Gates, whether I think it's true or not, I can understand. Fauci boggles my mind........ the guy has given his life to public service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 2 hours ago, Bob Long said: so at the risk of being labelled an apologist, can you tell me what the worlds billionaires can do about African conflict zones where much of the worlds hunger is right now? https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker https://www.concern.net/news/hungriest-countries-in-the-world Shouldn't this be a job for the UN? Stop flooding it with weapons and secret ops for a start. Destabilizing the area for resource exploitation has been the policy rarely spoken out loud. The US is doing a ton of secret ops/proxy wars vs China and Russia down there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 6 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: I have thought about this a fair bit over the years, about how to get the mega corporations to take on a greater financial role in supporting society. I would give the largest corporations a choice: you can pay 20% of yearly REVENUES (not profit, which can be easily fudged) to the government in direct taxes, OR Pay 15% to directly fund a program that helps improve the lives of every citizen. Examples: Canadian Tire might decide they will donate 15% of their revenues to food banks across the country; the chartered banks may contribute for building affordable housing; the grocery industry might commit to free breakfasts and lunches for school kids. Each corporate entity would adopt a cause and contribute to it on an ongoing yearly basis, covering health, housing, education, infrastructure, the arts, athletics, medical research or whatever else improves the lives of Canadians. The net result is that corporations will be required to pay a greater portion in "taxes" but are given the choice of where they want to direct that funding to go. The corporation still makes money, is making a direct contribution to society, is a trusted and admired corporate citizen, and takes on a lot of the responsibility for spending that is currently done by governments. Government revenues diminsh, but government spending does, too. Final note: I am aware there are flaws in this plan, but all I am trying to do is to compel the largest, most profitable corporate entities to return a portion of their revenue to programs and initiatives to help the people that made them rich in the first place. A tax of 20% of revenues or even 15% would be more than the total gross profit margins for many companies, such as those selling groceries. Many businesses would have no choice but to raise their prices dramatically, which of course would be extremely inflationary, much like Trump's 10% tariff on all imports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 To those who think all the billionaires can solve world poverty. Here are some numbers for you to ponder: Current world population living on less than $1 per day: 1 billion Current amount of billionaires in the world: 3,194 So, If all 1 billion people were given an extra $1 per day from the billionaires, it would cost $365 billion per year. This wouldn’t actually solve world hunger. It would simply feed the poor until the billionaires ran out of money. Is it realistic to think that every single billionaire would pay a combined $365 billion per year every year until infinity in order to feed the poor? How long do you think this would last before the billionaires simply pulled the plug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To those who think all the billionaires can solve world poverty. Here are some numbers for you to ponder: Current world population living on less than $1 per day: 1 billion Current amount of billionaires in the world: 3,194 So, If all 1 billion people were given an extra $1 per day from the billionaires, it would cost $365 billion per year. This wouldn’t actually solve world hunger. It would simply feed the poor until the billionaires ran out of money. Is it realistic to think that every single billionaire would pay a combined $365 billion per year every year until infinity in order to feed the poor? How long do you think this would last before the billionaires simply pulled the plug? The billionaires can just wait for the trickle down to happen. Like the poors do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 14 minutes ago, Warhippy said: The billionaires can just wait for the trickle down to happen. Like the poors do Or they could all have a big laugh at the thought that some people think they should be responsible for feeding the poor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 31 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To those who think all the billionaires can solve world poverty. Here are some numbers for you to ponder: Current world population living on less than $1 per day: 1 billion Current amount of billionaires in the world: 3,194 So, If all 1 billion people were given an extra $1 per day from the billionaires, it would cost $365 billion per year. This wouldn’t actually solve world hunger. It would simply feed the poor until the billionaires ran out of money. Is it realistic to think that every single billionaire would pay a combined $365 billion per year every year until infinity in order to feed the poor? How long do you think this would last before the billionaires simply pulled the plug? Those 3,194 billionaires have a net worth of 14.2 trillion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said: Those 3,194 billionaires have a net worth of 14.2 trillion. So, every single billionaire should spend the next 30 years feeding the poor until they go broke? That’s the plan to solve world hunger? Would they agree to that? Who’s going to tell them the bad news? What happens after 30 years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 President Assclown setting the stage for weaseling out on the debate? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Satchmo Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 54 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: To those who think all the billionaires can solve world poverty. Here are some numbers for you to ponder: Current world population living on less than $1 per day: 1 billion Current amount of billionaires in the world: 3,194 So, If all 1 billion people were given an extra $1 per day from the billionaires, it would cost $365 billion per year. This wouldn’t actually solve world hunger. It would simply feed the poor until the billionaires ran out of money. Is it realistic to think that every single billionaire would pay a combined $365 billion per year every year until infinity in order to feed the poor? How long do you think this would last before the billionaires simply pulled the plug? You are talking about giving them fish. How about giving them fishing rods and teaching them how to fish? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StrayDog Posted August 26 Popular Post Share Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, Satchmo said: You are talking about giving them fish. How about giving them fishing rods and teaching them how to fish? There you go thinking things through. Haven't you heard? Progressives don't do that.... 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 8 minutes ago, Satchmo said: You are talking about giving them fish. How about giving them fishing rods and teaching them how to fish? Are there enough fishing rods and boats for 1 billion people? Does Elon know how to fish? What about Warren Buffett? How long would the classes be? Where would they be held? So many questions here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satchmo Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Are there enough fishing rods and boats for 1 billion people? Does Elon know how to fish? What about Warren Buffett? How long would the classes be? Where would they be held? So many questions here. Was my post too vague? Stop me if you've heard this one before: Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 14 minutes ago, Satchmo said: Was my post too vague? Stop me if you've heard this one before: Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime. I guess sarcasm is hard to read on a message board… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 FYI, Demko won’t be blocking anything anytime soon… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 11 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I guess sarcasm is hard to read on a message board… Yeah. Right. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: To those who think all the billionaires can solve world poverty. Here are some numbers for you to ponder: Current world population living on less than $1 per day: 1 billion Current amount of billionaires in the world: 3,194 So, If all 1 billion people were given an extra $1 per day from the billionaires, it would cost $365 billion per year. This wouldn’t actually solve world hunger. It would simply feed the poor until the billionaires ran out of money. Is it realistic to think that every single billionaire would pay a combined $365 billion per year every year until infinity in order to feed the poor? How long do you think this would last before the billionaires simply pulled the plug? Not how it works. You don't just keep giving them money. You set up the means to feed themselves. Teach a man to fish and all that. The figure quoted to Elon was 6 billion which he pledged to do if they couldn prove it to him. He actually sold the stock needed...then gave the money to his own foundation in the end as a nice tax write off What the actual figure would be I don't know and you sure don't either Edited August 26 by Gnarcore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 37 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Yeah. Right. You actually think I never heard that fish analogy before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 4 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Not how it works. You don't just keep giving them money. You set up the means to feed themselves. Teach a man to fish and all that. The figure quoted to Elon was 6 billion which he pledged to do if they couldn prove it to him. He actually sold the stock needed...then gave the money to his own foundation in the end as a nice tax write off What the actual figure would be I don't know and you sure don't either Doesn’t every billionaire use charities as tax write offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ilunga Posted August 26 Popular Post Share Posted August 26 5 hours ago, bishopshodan said: You are not under my skin at all. I'm in a great mood today. One of my old friend/bosses ( very very rich) used to joke with me and say.... 'any problem can be solved if we throw enough money at it' If the worlds multi-billionaires wanted to end world hunger, they could. How? Off the top of my head...spend a few billion setting up a group to properly distribute the rest of the hoarders money, hundreds of billions, to the areas in need. I know its not that simple, but thats where I would start. It's also idealistic, so would never be done in this age...which then leads me back to...humans are fooked. You know how simple it actually is ? This simple " Just 10 percent of military spending could knock off world poverty,: think tank " https://www.reuters.com/article/world/just-10-percent-of-world-military-spending-could-knock-off-poverty-think-tank-idUSKCN0X12EP/ " SIPRI said military spending amounted to 2.3 percent of global gross domestic product - and ten percent of this would be enough to fund the global goals agreed upon by the United Nations' 193 member states in September to end poverty by 2030. " While this article is a few years old, the figures remain much the same. Humans would rather kill each other, than feed each other. Or at the very least make money selling the means of killing each other. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 47 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: What the actual figure would be I don't know and you sure don't either Man, writing off the poor guy's experts already. Just you wait until they have their next dinner together... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 4 hours ago, Gnarcore said: Stop flooding it with weapons and secret ops for a start. Destabilizing the area for resource exploitation has been the policy rarely spoken out loud. The US is doing a ton of secret ops/proxy wars vs China and Russia down there. *Cantonese gasp* But but but... that's unpossible, colonialism is just a buzzword! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) nvm Edited August 26 by Curmudgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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