US Politics Thread

[Elias Pettersson]

 

[RupertKBD]

36 minutes ago, Cerridwen said:

I'm a-love her!!!! Might even consider switching teams!!

 

Maybe you could go on loan, like they do with soccer players.....

[Satchmo]

5 minutes ago, Gator said:

I've posted anti Trump memes and anti Harris memes.. The left has selective humor lol

Apparently the right does as well.  (If I am the left (all of it) and you are the right (all of it) I mean.)

[SilentSam]

Lol

 

 

 

[DSVII]

1 hour ago, Outsiders said:

They're so brainwashed they don't even look at policies. That's the Biden and Harris camps whole strategy. Let's just make everyone focus on hating Trump and they won't look at our horrible policies. Doesn't matter how corrupt they are, as long as Trump is the guy on the republican side they can get away with whatever they want. The best part is they aren't even trying to hide shit and the people still don't care. They're solely focused on Trump the person. 

 

https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/19/biden-harris-hid-info-on-suspected-terrorists-crossing-the-border-from-the-public-former-border-agent-claims/

 

 

This right here will prove my point, the left wont see anything wrong with this and their comeback will be Trump has done way worse and sweep it under the rug like it isn't relevant. SICK!

 

 

A page straight out of the disinformation playbook by Russia. Accuse the other side of doing exactly what you are doing.

 

 

A quick review on prior posts in the thread you are ignoring intentionally. This is just two of his policy losses on the huge pile of losses. Happy to dive deeper into any policy front on Trump.

 

Geopolitical Losses to Russia During the Trump Tenure 2016-2020

 

Just a few come to mind, this list isn't exhaustive. And this is a good reminder for everyone of just how weak Trump is on foreign policy.

 

1.) Belarus - Trump's administration was silent and inactive when Pro-Putin satrap Lukashenko violently cracked down on his people after stealing the 2020 election. This gave Putin control of a satellite state that he's using as a buffer with NATO, and also as a lauching pad for his invasion of Ukraine. Putin would have had nowhere near the conception of a 3 day special military operation without that shortcut to Kyiv. The seeds of today's invasion were planted by Trump

 

2.) Syria - Withdrawal from Syria and abandonment of the US allies has destabilized the region, discredited the US and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. This caused the collapse of the Syrian Democratic Forces on the ground, and threatened by the Turkish invasion of Syria, forced them to cut a deal with Assad, a Putin ally.

 

There was a famous video of Russian troops pilfering through all the equipment left behind by the US because of the suddeness of the withdrawal. 

 

3.) The collapse of the US intelligence network within Russia and it's allies - There was a noticeable uptick in the deaths of compromised CIA agents around the world while Trump was president. Considering this is the guy who kept Nuclear secrets in the Mars-a-lago bathroom, it's no stretch of the imagination that he had a hand to play in it. It was reported that he disclosed sensitive information provided through an intelligence ally to the Russians, without that ally's permission. There is reports of Russian sources simply disappearing after Trump recklessly outed them.

 

Regardless of motive and political afficiliation, that is a huge indicator of being unfit for office. 

 

4.) The collapse of the US state department - this severely limits the US' ability to respond diplomatically and enact policy counter to Russian interests.

 

Veterans of the U.S. diplomatic corps say the expanding front office is part of an unprecedented assault on the State Department: A hostile White House is slashing its budget, the rank and file are cut off from a detached leader, and morale has plunged to historic lows. They say President Donald Trump and his administration dismiss, undermine, or don’t bother to understand the work they perform and that the legacy of decades of American diplomacy is at risk.

 

By failing to fill numerous senior positions across the State Department, promulgating often incoherent policies, and systematically shutting out career foreign service officers from decision-making, the Trump administration is undercutting U.S. diplomacy and jeopardizing America’s leadership role in the world, according to more than three dozen current and former diplomats interviewed by FP.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/31/how-the-trump-administration-broke-the-state-department/

 

5.) Discord in NATO and G7 - Aside from telling everyone that Crimea is Russia's because everyone there spoke Russian, causing un-needed tensions within the allies on the 2% commitment, disclosing military and intelligence secrets provided to him, he treated the alliance like a protection racket. Let's not forget as well the stupid tariff wars he waged on his allies, us in Canada included.

 

6.) Afghanistan  - Releasing the 5,000 ISIS and Taliban prisoners and rapidly scaling down the US troop presence essentially laid the groundwork for the collapse of the US occupation. One of the prisoners is the leader of Afghanistan today. The negotiation was done directly with the Taliban rather than the US allied Afghan government as well. As soon as he lost the 2020 election, Trump decided to burn it all down and ordered a full scale withdrawal, undermining the situation for Biden because he only had two choices now, withdraw or escalate. He wisely chose the former, but central Asia is once again a power vacuum that Putin is looking to fill, and it secures his southern flank.

 

7.) Legitimized Putins' election, praising him and his allies - Aside from famously quoting that he believed Putin more than the NSA, CIA and FBI, he props up Putin, Orban, Le Pen and tried to get the G7 to invite him back.

 

8.) Freezing US aid to Ukraine - He froze hundreds of millions in funding to Ukraine even before the pandemic, and would not sell them weapons if they were to be used against Russia. 

 

9.) Withdrawing US troops from Europe - He signed an order to reduce American commitments in Germany by about 1/3rd. Despite concerns from the Pentagon and Republicans that it would embolden Russia and strengthen their position vs Europe.

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2017 - Trump's destruction of the lower/middle class with his tax increases and handouts to the top 1%, while adding Three Iraq Wars of cost to the deficit with this one act.

 

This is how the Trump Tax Cuts were paid for going by the estimates of the Congressional Budget Office while Trump was president in 2017. Anyone with a negative got a credit, anyone with a positive got an increased tax burden. 

 

The party that is worse for the pockets of the middle class is very apparent. Figures are in millions of dollars. Also notice the poison bill that extends through the entirety of Biden's term with tax increases on the poorest income brackets taking place during his term.

 

This also represents Three Iraq Wars worth of expenditure that Trump added to the budget. 

 

The Tax cuts added $10 Trillion to the debt and are responsible for 57% of the debt ratio increase since 2001.

Edited 3 hours ago by DSVII

[StrayDog]

1 hour ago, Gator said:

People ain't entitled to opinions? That's a scary reality with the left. Censorship. Thats not "freedom"

 

That first part COMPLETELY sums up why I've slowly been shifting right.. 

 

im pro vaccine

 

I'm all for the LGBTQ movement

 

But others are entitled to their beliefs too. You guys need to understand that

 

As for abortion Trump is for the extremes .. So "Little to exceptions" is a stretch

People are very much entitled to opinions. I am also entitled to think they are racist misogynistic transphobes if those are the opinions they put forth. 

So if you want to hitch on to the party that is still acting that way, then I don't care what you keep saying, because actions are louder than words and voting for someone who promotes all of those things that you keep saying are abhorrent is the same as validating those abhorrent beliefs.

[King Heffy]

8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Lol

 

 

 

No need to give hurricane warnings if you just nuke all the hurricanes.

[the destroyer of worlds]

8 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

No need to give hurricane warnings if you just nuke all the hurricanes.

No need to even talk about hurricanes when they get rid of the Department of Education.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

 

When asked to respond to those facts, I would speculate Foxx might offer up an excuse:  "my fault, they all look alike & I confused him with somebody else".

[NewbieCanuckFan]

Ivanka salivates at the new GOP sex symbol!

 

 

 

 

[RupertKBD]

5 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

 

 

Hilarious....."The Stock Market is up!"

 

Republicans:

[RupertKBD]

5 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

 

When asked to respond to those facts, I would speculate Foxx might offer up an excuse:  "my fault, they all look alike & I confused him with somebody else".

 

Foxx News....

[stawns]

1 hour ago, RupertKBD said:

 

That's my unbiased opinion. My two faves are Freddie and Steve Perry.....

 

Natalie Maines has a voice that's cuts through anything, imo and Emmylou Harris might have the most soulful, melodic voice ever

[RupertKBD]

Just now, stawns said:

Natalie Maines has a voice that's cuts through anything, imo and Emmylou Harris might have the most soulful, melodic voice ever

 

Both awesome, but when you venture into country, it all starts with Allison Krauss for me....

 

Speaking of Emmylou, go on Youtube and look up the song Emmylou by First Aid Kit. They're two sisters from Sweden, but you'd never know it to listen to them. Klara has a magnificent voice and their harmonies are pure magic.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

This has to be made up.  It can't possibly be a real quote could it?:

 

 

 

 

[StrayDog]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Natalie Maines has a voice that's cuts through anything, imo and Emmylou Harris might have the most soulful, melodic voice ever

Ann Wilson for me

[nuckin_futz]

1 hour ago, joe-max said:

 

The other thing that I don't understand is why so many people plan to vote for him against their own interest. Trump doesn't care about the small man, he is big business, he is greed, he is corporate - why is he so popular among the rural, the poor? The only explanation I have so far is that people fall for his snake-oil-merchant style and lack knowledge/education to see through him, but I don't want to believe that the American public is that simple-minded, are they?

 

He's given them permission to say the quiet part out loud.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Both awesome, but when you venture into country, it all starts with Allison Krauss for me....

 

Speaking of Emmylou, go on Youtube and look up the song Emmylou by First Aid Kit. They're two sisters from Sweden, but you'd never know it to listen to them. Klara has a magnificent voice and their harmonies are pure magic.

I know who Heather McCartney wouldn't vote for:

 

 

[RupertKBD]

You're not going to get me to click on a video of Yoko "singing". I have two cats, and if I want to hear something like that, I'll step on one of their tails....

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, StrayDog said:

Ann Wilson for me

 

Probably the most powerful rock n roll voice of all time.  I saw them in Kelowna in 2014, and even at her age, she left us speechless

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

 

Both awesome, but when you venture into country, it all starts with Allison Krauss for me....

 

Speaking of Emmylou, go on Youtube and look up the song Emmylou by First Aid Kit. They're two sisters from Sweden, but you'd never know it to listen to them. Klara has a magnificent voice and their harmonies are pure magic.

 

Obviously AK is amazing, and her work solo but especially with Roberts Plant is amazing.,.......but it's a mellower, subtle voice to me.  It's the fiddle that pushes her into the upper realm for me..... I'm a sucker for a fiddle

 

Seen that video several times, it's so great.

 

Emmylou singing Boulder to Birmingham on The Old Grey Whistle Test will bring even the most hardened person to tears....... especially when you know the backstory

[RupertKBD]

9 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

This has to be made up.  It can't possibly be a real quote could it?:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

8 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

Probably the most powerful rock n roll voice of all time.  I saw them in Kelowna in 2014, and even at her age, she left us speechless

 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

 

 

I'd bet that's a top ten live performance of all time.  In Kelowna, they did 90 mins of their own material, then they got the Led out for an hour after that.