US Politics Thread

[Alflives]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

No, I said I wasn't sure about a blow dryer, but high heat does kill a coronavirus, which seemed to be the essence of the article.  That article was using temperatures at 133 degrees Fahrenheit.  According to the research, 133 degrees Fahrenheit would kill a coronavirus within 20 minutes...

How does the host human do with their core temperature at 133 degrees for 20 minutes?
 

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

How does the host human do with their core temperature at 133 degrees for 20 minutes?
 

 

Sauna Temperature Guide: How Hot Should Your Sauna Really Be? - SaunaJournal.com

 

The temperature range for a sauna is typically between 150-200°F (65-93°C).

 

Do people not sit in a sauna for 20 minutes?

 

Also, a professor says it can work even if the body hits that temperature for only a few seconds...

 

High Heat Disarms Coronavirus In Less Than A Second - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)

 

Arum Han, professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Texas A&M University, and his collaborators have designed an experimental system that shows exposure of coronavirus to a very high temperature, even if applied for less than a second, can be sufficient to neutralize the virus so that it can no longer infect another human host.

Applying heat to neutralize COVID-19 has been demonstrated before, but in previous studies temperatures were applied from anywhere from one to 20 minutes. This length of time is not a practical solution, as applying heat for a long period of time is both difficult and costly. Han and his team have now demonstrated that heat treatment for less than a second completely inactivates the coronavirus — providing a possible solution to mitigating the ongoing spread of COVID-19, particularly through long-range airborne transmission.

Edited 10 hours ago by Elias Pettersson

[Alflives]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Sauna Temperature Guide: How Hot Should Your Sauna Really Be? - SaunaJournal.com

 

The temperature range for a sauna is typically between 150-200°F (65-93°C).

 

Do people not sit in a sauna for 20 minutes?

Does a persons core Temperature get to 133 degrees in a sauna? 
The virus needs to get to 133 for 20 minutes. It’s being cooked. And so would we if our core gets to that temperature. 

[Satchmo]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

Sauna Temperature Guide: How Hot Should Your Sauna Really Be? - SaunaJournal.com

 

The temperature range for a sauna is typically between 150-200°F (65-93°C).

 

Do people not sit in a sauna for 20 minutes?

Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable and possibly fatal to a person exposed to them for long periods of time. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity.[23] The hottest Finnish saunas have relatively low humidity levels in which steam is generated by pouring water on the hot stones. This allows air temperatures that could evaporate water to be tolerated and even enjoyed for longer periods of time. Steam baths, such as the hammam, where the humidity approaches 100%, will be set to a much lower temperature of around 50 °C (122 °F) to compensate. The "wet heat" would cause scalding if the temperature were set much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna

[bolt]

https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-announces-construction-of-new-murderers-only-express-lane-at-southern-border

[bishopshodan]

We are talking about hot air up your nose now?

 

Even if it killed the rona in your nose....what about ever other parts of the body? Heat up the whole body enough to kill the virus...will also kill the host.  

Come on people.

[Elias Pettersson]

4 minutes ago, Satchmo said:

Under many circumstances, temperatures approaching and exceeding 100 °C (212 °F) would be completely intolerable and possibly fatal to a person exposed to them for long periods of time. Saunas overcome this problem by controlling the humidity.[23] The hottest Finnish saunas have relatively low humidity levels in which steam is generated by pouring water on the hot stones. This allows air temperatures that could evaporate water to be tolerated and even enjoyed for longer periods of time. Steam baths, such as the hammam, where the humidity approaches 100%, will be set to a much lower temperature of around 50 °C (122 °F) to compensate. The "wet heat" would cause scalding if the temperature were set much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna

 

High Heat Disarms Coronavirus In Less Than A Second - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)

 

Arum Han, professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Texas A&M University, and his collaborators have designed an experimental system that shows exposure of coronavirus to a very high temperature, even if applied for less than a second, can be sufficient to neutralize the virus so that it can no longer infect another human host.

 

Han and his team have now demonstrated that heat treatment for less than a second completely inactivates the coronavirus — providing a possible solution to mitigating the ongoing spread of COVID-19, particularly through long-range airborne transmission.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

Jesus h christ, permanent brain damage occurs around 107 fahrenheit. We may be witnessing the result. 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

 

High Heat Disarms Coronavirus In Less Than A Second - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)

 

Arum Han, professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Texas A&M University, and his collaborators have designed an experimental system that shows exposure of coronavirus to a very high temperature, even if applied for less than a second, can be sufficient to neutralize the virus so that it can no longer infect another human host.

 

Han and his team have now demonstrated that heat treatment for less than a second completely inactivates the coronavirus — providing a possible solution to mitigating the ongoing spread of COVID-19, particularly through long-range airborne transmission.

This works too. 
 

[bishopshodan]

5 minutes ago, bolt said:

https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-announces-construction-of-new-murderers-only-express-lane-at-southern-border

 

You confuse me.

 

I know it has been asked of you before but you do know the bee is satire...right?

 

[Satchmo]

Just now, Elias Pettersson said:

 

High Heat Disarms Coronavirus In Less Than A Second - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)

 

Arum Han, professor in the Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering at Texas A&M University, and his collaborators have designed an experimental system that shows exposure of coronavirus to a very high temperature, even if applied for less than a second, can be sufficient to neutralize the virus so that it can no longer infect another human host.

 

Han and his team have now demonstrated that heat treatment for less than a second completely inactivates the coronavirus — providing a possible solution to mitigating the ongoing spread of COVID-19, particularly through long-range airborne transmission.

Petey doubles down.  Then triples down.  And so on...

 

So, if this is all true why did any Finnish people die of Covid at all when they could have just gone to the sauna?  Why weren't Covid patients just placed in an oven for a while?

If this 2021 paper is so significant why was the approach not followed by medical professionals?  Did big pharma squash it or was it just an impractical idea?

 

No one is disputing heat can kill Covid.  We are just saying there are no known valid therapeutic uses of extreme heat in a living patient. 

 

I'm done.  Continue if you wish.

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Jesus h christ, permanent brain damage occurs around 107 fahrenheit. We may be witnessing the result. 

I think you’d be the perfect candidate to test out my theory. I’ll even throw in a free sauna for you. Good luck Joey!!

[Bob Long]

I go to my electrician for medical advice. 

[Warhippy]

4 hours ago, Cranston said:

An amazing indictment that will be ignored by anyone lost enough to support the current rule.

 

4 hours ago, Cranston said:

Posting Shellenbereger. Good. Not sure being clued helps in any way, but maybe there is an upside somewhere down the line.

Welcome back, you may even make it to 50 posts before they ban this (what your 19th?) account

6 hours ago, bolt said:

 

wow

 

For reference.  In america's penal system to end 2020 there were 157,000 people jailed for Murder.  All Americans.  Not pretrial but convicted.  There were 18,600 in jail for manslaughter.  161,500 for rape and an additional 78,000 for sexual assault and battery.  All are American.  All convicted.  This does not include the currently nearly 430,000 people in holding or in trials currently for murder, manslaughter, rape or sexual assault and battery.  Who are also all american.

 

Context I guess is important because immigrants bad, but Americans overwhelmingly.  Totally ok.

[Bob Long]

2 hours ago, Alflives said:

How does the host human do with their core temperature at 133 degrees for 20 minutes?
 

 

hot horsey paste?

[kilgore]

3 hours ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

Jesus h christ, permanent brain damage occurs around 107 fahrenheit. We may be witnessing the result. 

 

 

[Gurn]

At what point does the American Federal government step in help move everyone out of Florida?

Huge, huge repair bills every year.

Maybe keep a few resorts, and the agriculture/farms; but move most of the people out.

 

[Joe King]

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

At what point does the American Federal government step in help move everyone out of Florida?

Huge, huge repair bills every year.

Maybe keep a few resorts, and the agriculture/farms; but move most of the people out.

 

I wonder how many people moved there knowing the risk. Decided to move there thinking it won't happen to them. Not sure I would want to spend money (taxes) to get them out.

[Gurn]

1 minute ago, Joe King said:

I wonder how many people moved there knowing the risk. Decided to move there thinking it won't happen to them. Not sure I would want to spend money (taxes) to get them out.

At some point it would be cheaper to move them out, than to pay for repairs- that only last a few years/months/weeks; then another hurricane comes in.

I did about half a minute of looking, and the damage/costs since year 2000 are at least $475 billion.

[Alflives]

9 minutes ago, Gurn said:

At what point does the American Federal government step in help move everyone out of Florida?

Huge, huge repair bills every year.

Maybe keep a few resorts, and the agriculture/farms; but move most of the people out.

 

I read somewhere there can be as many as 1 million Canadians down there or something. Seems way too many but regardless, I don’t see why we would go there at all. It’s a bad place, with bad government, and really bad storms. Why any Canadian travels south at all anymore is beyond me, tbh. 80 million Trump voters isn’t any place I want to visit. 

[nuckin_futz]

With all this talk about saunas please indulge me for a few minutes if you please and read one of the funniest stories ever about the World Sauna Championships.

 

"Sports from Hell': Hot Boxed

• 
  Rick Reilly, Columnist, ESPN.comMay 18, 2010, 02:58 PM ET

Okay kids, today's activity is to go down to your local Pizza Hut, have the oven set for 261° and insert your body into it. The tips of your ears start to ignite. The backs of your arms scream. Your throat burns as if somebody had stuck a tiki torch down it. Your lips feel bitten by large, unseen raccoons. And you haven't hit 30 seconds.

 

Now do it for 10 minutes or more, and that's what it's like to compete in quite possibly the world's dumbest sport: the Sauna World Championships.

 

I know. I entered.

 

The eighth annual championships were held in August 2007 in Heinola, Finland, a lake-riddled town 87 kilometers north of Helsinki. As my wife, The Lovely Cynthia (TLC), and I drove up, my mind reeled at what kind of things competitors would say to sportswriters afterward: "I just got hot. What can I say?"

 

I went over the rules. Competing in six-person heats -- written without irony -- the 84 contestants battle to see whose skin boils last. You may wear only a bathing suit that goes eight inches down the leg and absolutely nothing else. You can wipe sweat from your face but not your body. You cannot cover your ears with your hands. You may not lean over too far. Ambulances will be standing by.

Good luck!

 

In doing some prematch research, TLC discovered that there was an Australian gambling site that set the odds. Three-time defending champ Timo "The Great" Kaukonen was a 2.15-1 favorite. I was listed at 101-1. Nobody but a Finn has ever won the title. In fact, nobody but a Finn has ever been in the six-man final. There are 5.2 million people in Finland, and nearly two million saunas. This is a nationally televised event.

 

At the registration table, officials asked me to remove my shirt, then scrawled my number, 82, on each of my biceps. I learned I was in a heat with Timo the Great. And that's when -- as if on cue -- his sauna-company-sponsored mobile home, complete with a sauna inside, pulled up.

 

Timo waded through some autograph seekers and arrived at the table carrying a quart of water. His skin is permanently cherry and shiny hard, like a newly painted model car. He has long blond hair (to protect the ears) and is stout and thin lipped (also a very good trait for a saunist). Timo's pulse rises to 200 beats per minute when he competes, and he actually trains aerobically, riding a bike and running a lot. He is also very quiet. In this game you don't want to be a person who needs a lot of movement.

 

With the help of an interpreter, I interviewed him.

 

Me: "How much time have you been spending in the sauna?"

 

Timo: "About 20 sessions a day."

 

Me: "Oh, my god! At what temperature?"

 

Timo: "Lately it's been at about 140°C [284°F]."

 

Me: "Oh, good lord! Do you drink a lot of water coming into the competition?"

 

Timo: "Oh, yes, about 10 liters [2.6 gallons] a day the past three days. [He smiles at my reaction.] You too, I'm sure, yes?"

 

Me: "Do you count beer?"

 

Timo: "No."

 

I was so screwed.

 

The only other American entered was software designer Rick Ellis, formerly of the Soviet Union, who'd built his own sauna at his upstate New York home. "I even considered putting $2,000 down on myself," he told me. "But I couldn't figure out how."

 

He said he's been training at 110°C (230°F) and lasted 16 minutes once. His wife looked at him ruefully and shook her head. He turned to her, exasperated, and said, "What?"

 

Suddenly it was time for the heats to begin, and more than 500 fans took their places in the open-air theater. Onstage were two hexagonal, glass-faced saunas and two giant viewing screens. The gladiators in the opening heat were trotted out, all soaking wet from their freezing preheat showers.

 

Ominously, a little man opened the sauna door, and the six marched in, like drumsticks into a fryer. Fans chanted wildly.

 

You'd be amazed at how much fun it is to watch a grown man come apart like a $9 sweater. A Belarusian started out sane, just sitting there. Every 30 seconds a pitiless stream of water came out from a ceiling shower in the center of the sauna and splashed on the molten-hot rocks, creating a 100% humidity level in the room that would melt gold. About two minutes in our man started rocking a little. At three his eyes started blinking oddly. At four he began twitching. At five his eyes got huge. At six he started swallowing each breath like a gulp of scorching soup. Then he started glancing around wildly, as if to say to the others, Are you mad? Don't you see what's happening? They've locked us in a Crock-Pot! He started wiping his eyes and mouth. He moved his hands out toward his thighs to rub them, then realized that's not allowed and did so anyway, crazily, as though he were covered in lice. The judges flagged him once, then twice. Then he lurched for the door, and he was out. Sanity and cool air whooshed back into his brain, and suddenly he was normal and smiling again.

 

In each opening heat only two of the six moved on. Our friend Rick Ellis from New York went 8:03, to advance. I was waiting to congratulate him when I noticed something awful. There were two big patches of skin missing on his upper lip, just under his nostrils.

 

"Dude, were you breathing through your nose?" I asked.

 

"Yeah, why?" he said.

 

"Your skin is all gone under your nose! It's burned off!"

 

He felt his upper lip in horror. He ran to the mirror. The tops of his ears were split open and bubbling. Under his arms and on his back were bright purple patches. His forehead was painted bright red and blistering in front of his eyes. "Man, I'm burning up. Even my tongue is burned." His wife begged him to quit, but he refused. Said he had trained too hard. She shook her head.

 

"What?" he asked.

 

And that's when they called my heat backstage.

 

I vowed to do whatever Timo did. He took a drink. I took a drink. He stretched his neck. I stretched my neck. Three times he took a freezing-cold shower backstage, so three times I took one. By the time I was introduced, I was shivering like a newly shaved Chihuahua.

 

I drew seat No. 6, near the door. Timo was No. 2. We went in, and it was so instantly, shockingly, insanely hot, my brain just stopped working. It was like walking into a bonfire and pulling up a chair in the middle of it. My strategy was to go in and keep time by the 30-second water splashes, but that plan was scrapped approximately seven seconds in. Thinking literally hurt. I tried to stare at the rocks and not blink, because blinking hurt. I tried to take very few breaths, because breathing hurt. I was sure flames were coming out of my mouth. My back seemed to have ignited. I was convinced my ears were literally on fire, but if I moved even slightly, they hurt more. I tried sitting up higher, but it was even hotter. I tried crouching down more, but then I was nearer to the unforgiving rocks. It was so awful I wished Barry Bonds were in there. Then came the hideous, cruel, pitiless splashes of water, each one lasting three seconds.

I decided to think of something to get my mind off the torturous pain, so I began naming every National League team. I counted the Jets twice. I was just about to bolt into the fresh air when -- miraculously -- the tall, skinny guy next to me ran out. Amazing! I wasn't last! I had no idea how much time had elapsed -- four minutes? Six? I promised myself: When I get to the point where I can no longer stand it, I'll count 60 seconds and go.

 

Four seconds later, I decided I could no longer stand it.

 

So I started counting. One, two, three ... It was the longest minute of my life. At 60 I went barreling out. Watching other heats, I'd wondered why even losers came out grinning and raising their hands in victory, but now I knew. The cool air was so beautiful, so redeeming, so life giving. You could French-kiss Osama bin Laden.

 

I looked at the clock. 3:10? That was it? When did the first guy bolt? "2:40," I was told. Which meant I'd counted my 60 seconds in 30.

 

I took a gloriously freezing shower, then watched the rest of the heat on TV. Timo, wearing a spa-maker's name across the front of his Speedo, made the quarterfinals. Backstage he was surprisingly pink. I went up to him, chummy, and slapped him on the back in congratulation. He turned as if he wanted to knife me. Note to self: Slapping backs a definite no-no among saunists.

 

Then there was Ellis, who entered the quarterfinals with dozens of blisters on his body. "Man, I knew I was in trouble right away," he later said. "When I felt this big, half-dollar-size blister behind my back, I said, 'Okay, that's enough. I gotta get out.'"

 

He was the first out, at 4:15, and he was melting like the wicked witch. His forehead, his lips and his ears were giant lumps of pus. His triceps were riddled with pebble-size blisters, dozens of them. So much skin was hanging off him he looked like the world's most successful gastric-bypass patient. His forehead was a science-fiction movie. His nose was cooked like a forgotten kielbasa. And this was just what we could see.

 

He lifted up his shirt and there it was: this horrible, huge, pus-filled sac -- the size of a $3 pancake -- just hanging off his armpit. His wife gasped. TLC turned away in horror. When we dragged him to first aid the guy said, "You must go to the hospital. When these blisters break, you will lose lots of fluid and be highly susceptible to infection. We can't do anything for you here. It is too serious."

 

TLC and I piled him into our rented Volvo and took him to the hospital. As we left, his wife shook her head. They'll be turning his sauna into a shoe closet.

The two favorites -- Timo the Great and Markku Mustonen -- made the final. Each of them just sat and sweated and took furtive glances at the other, waiting to see if he'd do him the great favor of expiring so he could get the hell out. Ten minutes. Eleven. Twelve. It was a Hades standoff.

 

Suddenly, out of nowhere, Markku stuck his hand out for Timo to shake. Timo looked down and shook it, whereupon Markku jumped up and flew out the door, followed like a noon shadow by Timo, champion again, in a winning time of 12:26.

 

The winner was humble. "I was guessing he was better than me today," the great man said afterward. "So I was surprised he shook my hand and left. Nobody's ever done that before."

 

And what did Timo the Great get for suffering longer than every other person?

 

Sauna speakers.

Edited 5 hours ago by nuckin_futz

[nuckin_futz]

He sounds like he's been in a sauna for 30 minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

[nuckin_futz]

Some more highlights from Trump's rally in Wisconsin.....

 

Rep. Derrick Van Orden begins the Trump event in Wisconsin by claiming Trump was "shot in the head for us" and calls him "the great president that has ever lived"

 

Trump in Prairie du Chien on migrants: "They will walk into your kitchen, they'll cut your throat."

 

Trump calls Harris "mentally disabled": "Joe Biden became mentally impaired. Kamala was born that way."

 

Trump: "We have some of the greatest terrorists in the world in our country right now."

 

Trump: "When we win, we're gonna prosecute people that cheat on this election. And if we can we'll go back to the last one too."

 

Trump on migrants: "These people are animals"

 

Trump on migrants: "They're taking all of our Black population's jobs"

 

Trump calls Minneapolis "Minnianapolis"

 

Trump suggests Eric Adams was indicted because he agrees with him on immigration

 

Trump: "I will liberate Wisconsin from this mass migrant invasion of murderers, rapists, hoodlums, drug dealers, thugs, and vicious gang members. We're going to liberate our country."

 

Trump claims "hundreds of little cities and little towns" in the Midwest are being "occupied" by migrants with "MK-47s." Big, if true!

 

"This can only happen to me" -- Trump is still whining about Biden getting out of the race

 

TRUMP: She's incompetent and a bad person SOMEONE IN CROWD: She's stupid! TRUMP: You're right

 

Trump: "This is why I get shot at so much, I mean if you think about it. Only a consequential president gets shot at. Remember that."

 

Trump: "And then I have to sit there and listen to her bullshit last night. And who puts it on? Fox News. And they shouldn't be allowed to put it on."

 

Trump: "Global warming doesn't work anymore, because it's actually cooling."

 

"Oh, there's a fly. I wonder where the fly came from" -- Trump suggests migrants are to blame for the fact a fly is bothering him during his speech

 

Trump: "You gotta get these people back where they came from. You have no choice. You're gonna lose your culture."

 

"Isn't it nice to have a president that doesn't need a teleprompter?" Trump says, with a teleprompter visible next to him

 

Trump calls Kamala Harris "a very dumb person"

 

Trump: "I had a hell of a life. Oh, those locations. Those beautiful. I could've been sunbathing on the beach. You have never seen a body so beautiful. Much better than sleepy Joe."

 

 

[bolt]

https://x.com/lakemonstercl1/status/1840042340812984397

[Gnarcore]

10 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

 

We have no choice but to put up with our own criminal citizens.  We should not be importing more murderers and rapists for no reason.  Canada wouldn't be thrilled if we separated those scumbags out and pointed them north.  Then you guys would be the ones complaining.

Well based on the stats they would be an overall net improvement over your current citizens...