US Politics Thread

[Duodenum]

59 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

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Now we know why he cancelled the 60 minute interview...and all future debates. He'd get hammered. 

 

This report has him dead to rights. Republicans in Congress knew this and did nothing. Democracy was attacked and they did nothing. Cowards. 

 

Trump belongs in jail. There's no excuse for his actions, a desperate loser who can't handle getting beat. He's a criminal.

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

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Meanwhile in the media.

 

But what did Harris do it Walz to stop it from happening really?

[Warhippy]

51 minutes ago, Gurn said:

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Tom McAuliffe, who spent two hours traveling to the event from Orland Park, Illinois, said he had been waiting since 5.30am.

“There was nobody else here, which was surprising to us,” he 

Not surprising to anyone else.

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[kilgore]

Trump will undo all the moderation and sane-washing of the party that Vance achieved at his debate in a matter of days.

So hard to keep up with Trump lies.

 

Recent ones:

 

1. Openly lied about President Biden not calling Governor Kemp.

 

https://www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/national/24620428.trump-makes-false-claims-federal-response-area-hit-hurricane-helene/

 

The former president and Republican nominee claimed on landing in Valdosta that President Joe Biden was “sleeping” and not responding to Georgia governor Brian Kemp, who he said was “calling the president and hasn’t been able to get him”.

Mr Trump repeated the claim at an event with reporters after being told Mr Kemp said he had spoken to Mr Biden.

 

Kemp:  “The president just called me yesterday afternoon and I missed him and called him right back and he just said, ‘Hey, what do you need?’ And I told him, you know, we’ve got what we need, we’ll work through the federal process,” Mr Kemp said.

“He offered if there are other things we need just to call him directly, which I appreciate.”

 

2.  He lied about a photo being real.  One that the Harris campaign released saying that Harris was on the phone to FEMA. 

 

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/plug-cord-into-phone-trump-claims-kamala-fake-and-staged-photo-of-hurricane-helene-response-briefing/articleshow/113831331.cms

 

"Another FAKE and STAGED photo from someone who has no clue what she is doing," Trump tweeted. "You have to plug the cord into the phone for it to work! Biden and Harris abandoned Americans in Afghanistan. They sacrificed Americans to an Open Border, and now, they have left Americans to drown in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, and elsewhere in the South. Under this Administration, Americans always come last, because we have “leaders” who have no idea how to lead!"

 

Question:  Why on gawds green earth would the Harris campaign go through all the trouble of staging some fake scene, get the lighting set up, prop it with papers and her phone etc........When they could just take a real picture of her at her desk working? 

Also, Trump implied that the phone wasn't plugged in.  When I zoom in, I can see, not clearly though, the cord running out of the end of the phone and down. 

How desperate can they be?

 

 

 

We know the answer to why Trump just spews out lies so often. Even ridiculous and easily disproven ones.  Its the cumulative effect on uninformed voters. Where there is smoke......bigly smoke......there's got to be a fire.  "I keep hearing all these things about Harris and Biden, some of it just has to be true!"

 

All politicians lie.  Its the sheer audacity and volume of lying that Donald Trump does that is staggering. And ultimately dangerous.

[Sabrefan1]

7 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said:

Gee... In a hyper political environment that is more or less split 50-50 between the candidates, you are saying that each side is claiming their side won whether he did or did not?!  Whoulda thunk it?!

 

@Boudrias

 

I just got home and saw your confused reaction emoji.  His source said it was about evenly split.  That lines up with the actual vote polls themselves.  In all likelihood the reactions were just people stumping for their side.  Kind of like in the video game world when people weirdly cheer for their chosen corporation.  Or the car world when people cheer for Ford or Chevy. 

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[Alflives]

12 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

That entire group of inside Rump people were (are) total scum. They should all be in orange jumpsuits and licking teabags. 

[SilentSam]

 

(CNN) — Federal prosecutors laid out their most extensive case to date against former President Donald Trump for his effort to overturn the 2020 election in a sweeping legal brief that was unsealed Wednesday by a federal judge who is weighing the explosive criminal charges against him.

 

The 165-page document, which lands weeks before an election in which Trump is taking another shot at the White House, offers new detail about special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the former president’s efforts to lean on state officials and paint a narrative of widespread fraud that prosecutors say Trump knew was untrue.
 

It includes new details of Trump’s frayed relationship with former Vice President Mike Pence; FBI evidence of Trump’s phone usage on January 6, 2021, when rioters overtook the US Capitol; and conversations with family members and others where the then-president was fighting his loss to Joe Biden.
 

Broadly, and in response to the Supreme Court’s ruling this summer that granted Trump sweeping immunity for official actions,

Smith’s motion claims the former president took the steps he did as a political candidate – not as a president – and that, therefore, he is not entitled to protection from prosecution the justices identified in July.

 

“When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office,” Smith wrote in the brief, which US District Judge Tanya Chutkan released in partially redacted form.

 

”At its core, the defendant’s scheme was a private one,” prosecutors wrote. “He extensively used private actors and his campaign infrastructure to attempt to overturn the election results and operated in a private capacity as a candidate for office.”

 

The filing weaves together what prominent witnesses told a federal grand jury and the FBI about Trump, along with other never-before-disclosed evidence investigators gathered about the former president’s actions leading up to and on January 6.
 

Releasing the motion, which was previously filed under seal, is the latest major development in Smith’s longstanding effort to prosecute Trump for actions he took to overturn the 2020 election, even as the former president is seeking a second term in a tight race with Vice President Kamala Harris. The case, which has already reached the Supreme Court once, has repeatedly been delayed as Trump has attempted to push off the prosecution until after next month’s election.
 

The document is broken into four sections. The first section lays out the case prosecutors said they would attempt to prove at trial, including a summary of evidence; the second section gives Chutkan a roadmap for how to assess which actions are official – and therefore potentially covered by immunity – and which are not; the third section walks through how the principles should apply in Trump’s case; the fourth is a brief conclusion that asks Chutkan to rule that the actions described are not protected by immunity and that Trump “is subject to trial on the superseding indictment.”

 

More evidence could come out in coming days. A hefty appendix accompanying Wednesday’s filing remains under seal, and the judge has asked both sides to weigh in on how much of it should be made public. Among the documents in the appendix are grand jury transcripts and notes from FBI interviews conducted during the yearslong investigation.

 

Here’s what to know from the court filing:

 

FBI knows how Trump used his phone on January 6

FBI experts have mapped out what Trump was doing on his phone while the US Capitol riot unfolded.

 

An FBI Computer Analysis Response Team forensic examiner can testify about “the news and social media applications” on Trump’s phone, Smith wrote in the filing, “and can describe the activity occurring on the phone throughout the afternoon of January 6.”

 

Those logs show that Trump “was using his phone, and in particular, was using the Twitter application, consistently throughout the day after he returned from the Ellipse speech.”
 

Smith said that three unidentified witnesses are also prepared to testify that on the afternoon of January 6, the television in the White House dining room where Trump spent much of the day was “on and tuned into news programs that were covering in real time the ongoing events in the Capitol.”
 

That testimony would allow prosecutors to show a future jury what Trump saw unfolding on TV while he made comments and posted online that afternoon.
 

Even as they face a high bar for introducing evidence from Pence, Smith’s team sought to do so by framing a series of interactions between the two as conversations between “running mates,” where Pence tried to convince Trump he needed to accept his electoral defeat.
 

They include a November 7, 2020, conversation where Pence allegedly told Trump that he should focus on how he revived the Republican Party, as well as Pence’s recollection of a Trump meeting with campaign staff, during which Trump was told the prospects of his election challenges looked bleak.
 

At a November 12 lunch, Pence told Trump that he didn’t have to concede but he could “recognize process is over,” prosecutors said, and during a November 23 phone call, Trump allegedly told Pence that one of his private attorneys were skeptical about the election challenges.
 

As part of those private conversations, prosecutors say, Pence “tried to encourage” Trump “as a friend” after news networks called the election for Biden. In other interactions, Pence encouraged Trump to consider running for reelection in 2024. Those interactions, prosecutors argued, were not at all related to Trump’s official duties as president.
 

“The content of the conversations at issue – the defendant and Pence’s joint electoral fate and how to accept the election results – have no bearing on any function of the Executive Branch,” they wrote in the filing.

 

Trump personally tweeted Pence ‘didn’t have the courage’ to overturn election

 

The revelation comes as part of Smith’s argument as to why the tweet, posted after the riot began, should be considered a private act and therefore not protected under presidential immunity.

 

The post targeting Pence was “a matter of intense personal concern to the defendant as a candidate for office,” Smith wrote. At the time he posted the tweet, prosecutors say Trump knew his request for Pence to block the Electoral College votes was illegal; knew that his supporters gathered in Washington, DC, believed his lies during his speech at the Ellipse that the election had been stolen; and knew that those supporters had now breached the Capitol building.

 

“It was at that point — alone, watching news in real time, and with knowledge that rioters had breached the Capitol building — that the defendant issued the 2:24 p.m. Tweet attacking Pence for refusing the defendant’s entreaties to join the conspiracy and help overturn the results of the election,” Smith wrote.

 

 The tweet communicated “to his angry supporters that Pence had let him — and them — down,” Smith wrote, adding that it was “not a message sent to address a matter of public concern and ease unrest; it was the message of an angry candidate upon the realization that he would lose power.”

 

One minute after the tweet was posted, Smith wrote, the Secret Service was forced to evacuate Pence to a secure location in the Capitol.

 

Trump told family: ‘It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election’

Prosecutors allege they have a witness who will testify that Trump told family members, “It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell.”

 

The witness, Smith’s team said in the filing, will testify that he was aboard Marine One when then-President Trump made the statement to his wife, Melania Trump, his daughter Ivanka Trump, and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.
 

Prosecutors did not name the official in the filing, but they said he was the director of Oval Office operations. “He witnessed an unprompted comment that the defendant made to his family members in which the defendant suggested that he would fight to remain in power regardless of whether he had won the election,” prosecutors wrote.
 

At the time, Ivanka Trump and Kushner were White House employees, serving as advisers to the president, and Melania Trump was first lady.
 

However, prosecutors claim that the conversation aboard Marine One was “plainly private” and had nothing to do with the Trump family’s official government responsibilities.
 

“The defendant made the comment to his family members, who campaigned on his behalf and served as private advisors (in addition to any official role they may have played),” prosecutors wrote.

 

Trump told advisers he would declare victory

 

Prosecutors say that Trump was told by advisers that the 2020 vote likely would not be finalized on Election Day and that he could misleadingly look ahead in the ballot count on election night only to fall behind once all of the ballots were counted. Nonetheless, Trump told his advisers that he would claim victory before the ballots were fully counted, prosecutors say.

 

One private political adviser, three days before Election Day 2020, described Trump’s plan as: “He’s going to declare victory. That doesn’t mean he’s the winner, he’s just going to say he’s the winner,” according to the filing.

 

That adviser, not identified by name by prosecutors, also described the Democratic lean of the mail ballot vote as “a natural disadvantage” and said, “Trump’s going to take advantage of it. That’s our strategy.”
 

Trump sought to ‘perpetuate himself in power’
 

 

Smith’s office stressed the private and political nature of Trump’s actions around the 2020 election.

“The executive branch,” prosecutors wrote, “has no authority or function to choose the next president.”

 

That argument appeared designed for federal appeals courts, including the Supreme Court, that have placed a heavy emphasis in recent years on the historical understanding of the separation of powers.

In other words, Smith is arguing that Trump’s effort to overturn the election was necessarily private because the Constitution gives a president no official authority for choosing his successor.
 

“The defendant’s charged conduct directly contravenes these foundational principles,” the motion reads. “He sought to encroach on powers specifically assigned by the Constitution to other branches, to advance his own self-interest and perpetuate himself in power, contrary to the will of the people.”
 

White House staffer ‘P9’ details planning meetings

 

Prosecutors focus in particular in the filing on what Trump learned from a White House staffer referred to in the filings as “P9,” as they try to show that Trump was well aware he had lost the election as he pressed on with the reversal schemes.

 

 The person, identified only as “P9,” appears to have personally had discussions over the phone about the fake electors strategy with Trump, and had repeated text conversations with other people in the campaign about how the strategy was “crazy” or “illegal,” according to the filing.
 

 

      (The report is lengthy .. )

 

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/politics/jack-smith-donald-trump-filing/index.html

 

 

 

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[Duodenum]

3 minutes ago, bolt said:

 

Sorry bolt, there's a bombshell out right now about DJT and him trying to circumvent democracy, it's gonna dominate the internet for the next while, don't think anyone is going to care about anything else, maybe later.

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Mommy !!

 

 

 

 

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48 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Sorry bolt, there's a bombshell out right now about DJT and him trying to circumvent democracy, it's gonna dominate the internet for the next while, don't think anyone is going to care about anything else, maybe later.

A bombshell on supposed info most people already knew that they withheld until 1 month before the election?

Edited Thursday at 04:56 AM by bolt

[4petesake]

1 minute ago, bolt said:

A bombshell by cnn (left wing propaganda) on supposed info they withheld until 1 month before the election?

 

Come on…keep up.

The judge just unsealed the brief today and CNN (and everyone else including Fox News) is just now able to report on it.

[Duodenum]

3 minutes ago, bolt said:

A bombshell by cnn (left wing propaganda) on supposed info they withheld until 1 month before the election?

Nope, Jack Smith's report that could've been out months ago but Trump and his lawyers kept delaying it (until now). It's out in full detail for everyone to read, hence the feverous response.

[bolt]

3 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Nope, Jack Smith's report that could've been out months ago but Trump and his lawyers kept delaying it (until now). It's out in full detail for everyone to read, hence the feverous response.

Still not enough to convince people to vote for kamala.

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

2 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

Nope, Jack Smith's report that could've been out months ago but Trump and his lawyers kept delaying it (until now). It's out in full detail for everyone to read, hence the feverous response.

So they could say see, they're releasing this a month before the election, CNN, fake news, witch hunt, blah blah blah. See above...

[JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo]

But he did so well, lol.