Rekker Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Fair for both sides. I like it. Will come down to Lindholms desire to be a Canuck. I have a funny feeling he eventually signs this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HKSR Posted June 7 Popular Post Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, Blitz-Pix said: True but we don't know that he'll be getting 45-50 points either....I haven't checked what the average points totals are for a 36 year old players (So I'm only guessing) Miller will be in the same spot...we'll have two 36 year old centers that year. We'd be in big trouble if they were 2nd or 3rd line centers IMO. Just a guess, but but you could be paying Miller $8 and Lindy $7 million to center your 3 and 4th lines...which means their not getting top 6 minutes or playing on your PP. That's why I'm guessing 30(ish) points. Quite frankly any good player we sign to a 7 year contract (that's 28-30) is kinda going to put us in that situation regardless. Guentzel, Lindy, Zads and so on. In a perfect world we could sign someone in the 4-5 year range, Wishful thinking though. We'll just have to wait and see what happens in 6 to 7 years. I really don't think any teams plan 6 to 7 years down the road. Way too many moving variables. What if the cap goes up exponentially now that Utah is in the mix and not Arizona? What if we draft a stud rookie late in the 1st round and he's on an ELC 6 years from now? What if Miller and/or Lindholm only regress to be 60 point centres? What if we find that we have a young winger that becomes a stud (ie. Lekkerimaki) and we move Petey back to middle so we end up trading Miller or Lindholm in the next 3 or 4 years? What if we land a top notch college kid that flourishes into a top 6F? What if the Canucks win a Cup between now and then? What if, what if, what if? There's WAY too many variables to worry about 6 to 7 years from now. Think about where the Canucks were 6 to 7 years ago. Heck, look at where the Avs were in 2016-17... a LOT happens in that time frame. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: He's more than a 3C though. Historically, he's been a 1 or 2C on teams, it's just how we were utilizing him last season. Ideally for next year, I'd like to see 3 balanced lines sharing the workload, plus a 4th line. With our travel schedule, we really need a balanced approach to offense. I've already previously spoke of this. It's a great idea in theory, but how does that work in practice if we don't have enough quality wingers to roll 3 lines. The idea of having 3 balanced lines is great, until Mikheyev and Lafferty are flanking your superstar young center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, MeanSeanBean said: I've already previously spoke of this. It's a great idea in theory, but how does that work in practice if we don't have enough quality wingers to roll 3 lines. The idea of having 3 balanced lines is great, until Mikheyev and Lafferty are flanking your superstar young center. If we re-sign Lindholm, as it stands... this is what we'd have... Suter-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-???-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson I'd say we're ok. If we can't move Mikheyev, there is a scenario where we are cap compliant, but it means Juulsen is our 6th D for next year. Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-Suter-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Myers Soucy-Juulsen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 7 Author Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, HKSR said: If we re-sign Lindholm, as it stands... this is what we'd have... Suter-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-???-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson I'd say we're ok. If we can't move Mikheyev, there is a scenario where we are cap compliant, but it means Juulsen is our 6th D for next year. Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-Suter-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Myers Soucy-Juulsen Does this factor in the 2.5mill Poolman LTIR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, RWJC said: Does this factor in the 2.5mill Poolman LTIR? Yup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Little bit too much imo but if it gets it done that fair. Anymore I’d let him go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngoway Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) This seems like a pretty reasonable offer on both ends for term and cap. That is if Lindholm wants to stay as opposed to looking for more money elsewhere. I get the feeling (and hope) that Lindholm will stay and understand the opportunity he has here. Also signing Lindholm to this deal would be a clear indication he'll play C and Pettersson will move/share C with Lindholm. I'm hoping we can re-sign Blueger to play 3C and hopefully Raty can make the leap to play 4C. Edited June 7 by ngoway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 27 minutes ago, HKSR said: We'll just have to wait and see what happens in 6 to 7 years. I really don't think any teams plan 6 to 7 years down the road. Way too many moving variables. What if the cap goes up exponentially now that Utah is in the mix and not Arizona? What if we draft a stud rookie late in the 1st round and he's on an ELC 6 years from now? What if Miller and/or Lindholm only regress to be 60 point centres? What if we find that we have a young winger that becomes a stud (ie. Lekkerimaki) and we move Petey back to middle so we end up trading Miller or Lindholm in the next 3 or 4 years? What if we land a top notch college kid that flourishes into a top 6F? What if the Canucks win a Cup between now and then? What if, what if, what if? There's WAY too many variables to worry about 6 to 7 years from now. Think about where the Canucks were 6 to 7 years ago. Heck, look at where the Avs were in 2016-17... a LOT happens in that time frame. I agree, there are a lot of what if's.... both pro's and con's Looking ahead, the Cap should continue to rise and in theory everyone will be making more which I get. Money aside. My worry is more about term of contracts, I feel we're going to be stuck with a lot of 34+ age players four years out and be a little to old and slow to keep up. We kinda saw that happen to Dallas this postseason, they're older players seemed to run outta gas. IMO I like Lindholm and feel 7 million for him is a get for our club. I think it comes down to how he's deployed more than anything. Perhaps Miller plays wing with Petey again and Lindy plays with Boeser or some variation of that, Edited June 7 by Blitz-Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 28 minutes ago, chris12345 said: He spoke in past tense in the presser. I'm guessing Boston. That's because the season WAS over. The year END presser is to talk about the PAST season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLer Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 29 minutes ago, HKSR said: We'll just have to wait and see what happens in 6 to 7 years. I really don't think any teams plan 6 to 7 years down the road. Way too many moving variables. What if the cap goes up exponentially now that Utah is in the mix and not Arizona? What if we draft a stud rookie late in the 1st round and he's on an ELC 6 years from now? What if Miller and/or Lindholm only regress to be 60 point centres? What if we find that we have a young winger that becomes a stud (ie. Lekkerimaki) and we move Petey back to middle so we end up trading Miller or Lindholm in the next 3 or 4 years? What if we land a top notch college kid that flourishes into a top 6F? What if the Canucks win a Cup between now and then? What if, what if, what if? There's WAY too many variables to worry about 6 to 7 years from now. Think about where the Canucks were 6 to 7 years ago. Heck, look at where the Avs were in 2016-17... a LOT happens in that time frame. What if it means we win the cup next year... ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coryberg Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 26 minutes ago, HKSR said: If we re-sign Lindholm, as it stands... this is what we'd have... Suter-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-???-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson I'd say we're ok. If we can't move Mikheyev, there is a scenario where we are cap compliant, but it means Juulsen is our 6th D for next year. Mikheyev-Miller-Boeser Hoglander-Lindholm-Pettersson Podkolzin-Suter-Garland PDG-Aman-Karlsson Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Myers Soucy-Juulsen By all accounts (besides I mac) Zadorov has priced himself out and will be hitting the UFA market. Speculation is that he wants 6x6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzy Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 34 minutes ago, HKSR said: We'll just have to wait and see what happens in 6 to 7 years. I really don't think any teams plan 6 to 7 years down the road. Way too many moving variables. What if the cap goes up exponentially now that Utah is in the mix and not Arizona? What if we draft a stud rookie late in the 1st round and he's on an ELC 6 years from now? What if Miller and/or Lindholm only regress to be 60 point centres? What if we find that we have a young winger that becomes a stud (ie. Lekkerimaki) and we move Petey back to middle so we end up trading Miller or Lindholm in the next 3 or 4 years? What if we land a top notch college kid that flourishes into a top 6F? What if the Canucks win a Cup between now and then? What if, what if, what if? There's WAY too many variables to worry about 6 to 7 years from now. Think about where the Canucks were 6 to 7 years ago. Heck, look at where the Avs were in 2016-17... a LOT happens in that time frame. Agreed 100% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 If Lidnholm is signed I think both of Mikheyev with Hoglander as a sweetener and Garland need to be traded to make room to still bring in atop 6 winger. Team seems reluctant to give Garland top 6 ice time and 4.95m is too much for a 3rd line winger imo anyway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 10 minutes ago, Viking said: If Lidnholm is signed I think both of Mikheyev with Hoglander as a sweetener and Garland need to be traded to make room to still bring in atop 6 winger. Team seems reluctant to give Garland top 6 ice time and 4.95m is too much for a 3rd line winger imo anyway So subtract 2 scoring wingers for one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 23 minutes ago, Blitz-Pix said: I agree, there are a lot of what if's.... both pro's and con's Looking ahead, the Cap should continue to rise and in theory everyone will be making more which I get. Money aside. My worry is more about term of contracts, I feel we're going to be stuck with a lot of 34+ age players four years out and be a little to old and slow to keep up. We kinda saw that happen to Dallas this postseason, they're older players seemed to run outta gas. IMO I like Lindholm and feel 7 million for him is a get for our club. I think it comes down to how he's deployed more than anything. Perhaps Miller plays wing with Petey again and Lindy plays with Boeser or some variation of that, Makes total sense to worry about that. Just not sure what our alternative is... do we not sign any older players with concerns that they will age? Not sure if that's a reasonable approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 19 minutes ago, Coryberg said: By all accounts (besides I mac) Zadorov has priced himself out and will be hitting the UFA market. Speculation is that he wants 6x6. When you say "by ALL accounts"... I'm assuming you're still referring to 1 or 2 media outlets? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngoway Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Out of all the free/restricted agents we have, I'd still put Lindholm at the top. The difference with and without Lindholm in the top six will really be felt. With Lindholm Pettersson - Lindholm - Trade/FA Hoglander - Miller - Boeser Podkolzin Trade/FA - Blueger (if resigned) - Garland PDG/Aman - Raty (if ready) - Trade/FA Hughes - Hronek/Trade/FA Zadorov (if resigned) - Trade/FA Soucy - Myers Demko Silovs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted June 7 Popular Post Share Posted June 7 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: When you say "by ALL accounts"... I'm assuming you're still referring to 1 or 2 media outlets? By all accounts no one knows shit 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 hours ago, Nucker67 said: Maybe this would be the long-term plan ? - Miller - Boeser Pettersson - Lindholm - ? Suter - 9 - 6 40 - 23 - Hoglander/ Lekkerimaki If we keep Zadorov, replace at least part of Hronek's offense and find a couple next Joshuas we'll be in pretty great shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Devron said: By all accounts no one knows shit So true my friend. So true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coryberg Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 15 minutes ago, HKSR said: When you say "by ALL accounts"... I'm assuming you're still referring to 1 or 2 media outlets? Just pretty much every insider who has commented on it and zadorovs agent himself who says contract talks progressing is "fake news". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 2 minutes ago, Coryberg said: Just pretty much every insider who has commented on it and zadorovs agent himself who says contract talks progressing is "fake news". Friedman said the Canucks aren’t far off just today… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 1 minute ago, Coryberg said: Just pretty much every insider who has commented on it and zadorovs agent himself who says contract talks progressing is "fake news". They're all just speculating as well. Nobody has given any concrete information. His agent saying contract talks progressing is fake news has nothing to do with what the numbers are. Realistically, the number is somewhere between $4.5M and $6M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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