[Speculation] Lindholm apparently rejects Canucks offer of 7x7 extension

[Devron]

2 hours ago, Ilunga said:

However people also kinda forget about reputation damage.

He chose to sign with us in the first place.

What will other prospects in his situation think in the future about signing with us in similar circumstances.

Somehow Vegas gets away with it. The way they acquire then dump their players and they won a cup with that attitude. That said Dave, I don’t wanna see us be like that either 

[stawns]

25 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Not saying I wanna trade him, but the team even with Garland wasn’t good enough.

 

You wanna build on this season you have to be open to trading players in order to upgrade in other areas.

 

Youre just robbing peter to pay Paul, imo

[Dr. Crossbar]

2 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

I don't understand trading Garland, were looking to add pieces that help create more offense not take those pieces away

 

He's the type of player we need to win.

 

If we get rid of those players, we'll never be winners. In some weird way, that's what some believe is the path to winning.

[Dr. Crossbar]

33 minutes ago, Devron said:

If I noticed a trend it’s trading good pieces in their mid 20’s and replacing them with old dudes. It’s really weird tbh 

 

Most of the time it’s not even improving the club even in the short term lol 

 

That just guarantees people will be right in the team always losing. When we lose, they'll always be right. 

 

Trade everyone.

[Rypien-Punch]

Linus Karlsson is the next Elias Lindholm 

[Dr. Crossbar]

1 minute ago, Rypien-Punch said:

Linus Karlsson is the next Elias Lindholm 

 

Certainly the in-house 3C. 

 

Patience. 

[Junkyard Dog]

Just now, Rypien-Punch said:

Linus Karlsson is the next Elias Lindholm 

 

I like LK but Lindholm at 24 had a 78 point season and LK had 0 points in 4 games. 

 

Lindholm had hundreds of games played and over 200 points at 24. 

 

LK can be serviceable and perhaps could be the next diamond in the ruff, like Joshua. 

[syntheticity]

48 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Guenztel (8.5) Miller (8) Boeser (6.65)

Pettersson (11.6) Lindholm (7) Hogz (1.1)

Joshua (2.8) Suter (1.6) Podz (1)

Di Giuseppe (775) Aman (825) Extra (850)

 

Extra (850)

 

51.55

 

Hughes (7.85) Hronek (7.25)

Zadorov (4.8) Myers (3)

Soucy (3.25) Juulsen (775) 

 

Extra (775) Extra (825)

 

28.5

 

Demko (5)

Silovs (1.1)

 

6.1

 

That equals about 86 mil. Still over by a bit with the OEL cap hit but it’s not crazy to think we could sign everyone. But we’d have to be willing to go long term with pretty much everyone to get the cap hits down. 

I wish, but, sadly, there's little chance  Joshua signs for anything close to 2.8m or that Lindy signs for under 8m. Also, if we did land Guentzal, it would surely be to pair with Petey.

[Junkyard Dog]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

Certainly the in-house 3C. 

 

Patience. 

 

He played RW the majority of his AHL time. Even listed as such on the AHL website. 

 

Maybe more so potential next "Joshua" type find. 

[R3aL]

43 minutes ago, Devron said:

Yeah basically nothing. May as well trade the rest of it lol 

Haha right if it meant we got guentzel and were able to figure out our team building the best way possible I’m all for it 

 

if lindy is a no go maybe we could do the same with his rights too 

[Dr. Crossbar]

22 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

 

He played RW the majority of his AHL time. Even listed as such on the AHL website. 

 

Maybe more so potential next "Joshua" type find. 

 

He's a C that we converted to RW. He was tracking to be a 3C before RW. Out of necessity, we'll likely see him back at C at some point.

 

Either way, he'll be a decent option for us. 

[bhoodlum]

2 hours ago, tas said:

moot

Entmoot.

[Hairy Kneel]

17 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Might be time to start realizing Petey might not be suited for center.

 

If they re-sign Lindholm I think it would be with the idea that Petey is on his wing.

Petie couldn't take the wear and tear of a 100 game season down the middle. He'd need a break for sure. Plus he's got a weak knee.

[IBatch]

17 hours ago, Alflives said:

On the Bruins and other clubs interested in Lindy he’s their 1C. We have two fabulous centres already in Petey and Miller. But both those guys are great wingers too. So either could play wing making Lindy our 2C. 
7 mil x 8 years is a good deal for a 2C. 

There's that, there's also his pedigree playing with good players, he's able to keep up.    Don't think he's going to get 1C money.   For sure quality 2C money, Kadri set that bar and it's a fair deal.     Lindholm needs to be careful though, if he's holding out for the deal CAL offered, likely ends up with a one year Klingberg deal and loses his chance at a 50ish million legacy deal.    As far as money goes, already lost 20 or so off the top not taking that deal (9x full term).    It's possible we need to move on, sunk costs parlayed into two rounds for the team (definitely fair, late first and a 3rd, would of been a second if we beat the Oil I think). 

 

Doubt we make it past NSH without him the way things went (Demko/EP). 

[DownUndaCanuck]

I worry that firstly we don't have >8M to spend on any player. That kind of rules out Guentzel and Necas. We're dishing out a big contract to Hronek surely around 7.5-8M and may well lose Zadorov and/or Joshua at this rate so need some grit coming back.

 

Also I'd rather try and keep our core together, the guys who battled through the season and playoffs together. We can't keep shaking up our core every 6 months like we are now. Want to try and keep the main guys together and revolve supporting players around them. 

 

These last playoffs, our core was very much Miller, Boeser, Lindholm, Zadorov and Silovs. Of course it'd be nice to flip Petey and Demko in there and Hughes and Hronek really should be too, but I worry that we're going to lose a big part of our identity (which made us so great last year) next year if we let guys like Joshua, Zadorov and Lindholm walk. You could argue Joshua is quite replaceable from within, Zadorov is hard to replace but we do have Soucy and could probably find a UFA LD easily but Lindholm will be tricky to replace.

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Petie couldn't take the wear and tear of a 100 game season down the middle. He'd need a break for sure. Plus he's got a weak knee.

The things that pushed EP down every teams draft list but ours and reportedly NYR, was this exact concern.    He's come a long way.   Doubt even if we had a playoff team when he started, he would have managed much the first few years, because well he couldn't do it in the regular season.   And that's ok.  However now it's needed.  More then ever, his contract and the fact JT Miller's peaking and need EP to peak now too. 

 

Some players get you there.   It's possible that's going to be his biggest strength to the team, sure hope it's not though, we won't win a cup with what we saw this postseason.    Personally think, he gets it now though.   What it's going to take.    And even with an ectomorph body,  there are ways he can add the muscle required to endure this sport and be a regular playoff performer.    Part of that is 100% on Allvin's and Tochetts willingness to both acquire, and partner him up with the right winger's,  the rest is up to EP and the training staff to commit to a routine that adds muscle mass.   It's so simple it's frustrating.   Proper weight training, an additional 15 hours or so a week committed to his schedule and the type of diet that goes with that.   He's got the skills.    There is no reason, he can't add 3lbs of muscle mass a month.   Zero. 

 

 As a kid saw dozens of skinny kids get jacked (teenagers 14-17 year olds).   Have serious doubts he's doing it right.   At least in a way that will add proper sustainable, muscle mass.    Doesn't need to be 220,  or Barkov like, but he sure should push himself to at least 195 at his age.   Would change his entire game, in a good way, and reduce injuries.    
 

That part, is a little frustrating as a fan and someone who's been familiar with how freaking easy it is to build the body with the proper commitment.    He's maybe half way there.  149-176lbs, 18-25.   That's not enough.   Keep going.  

Edited June 8 by IBatch

[IBatch]

33 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I worry that firstly we don't have >8M to spend on any player. That kind of rules out Guentzel and Necas. We're dishing out a big contract to Hronek surely around 7.5-8M and may well lose Zadorov and/or Joshua at this rate so need some grit coming back.

 

Also I'd rather try and keep our core together, the guys who battled through the season and playoffs together. We can't keep shaking up our core every 6 months like we are now. Want to try and keep the main guys together and revolve supporting players around them. 

 

These last playoffs, our core was very much Miller, Boeser, Lindholm, Zadorov and Silovs. Of course it'd be nice to flip Petey and Demko in there and Hughes and Hronek really should be too, but I worry that we're going to lose a big part of our identity (which made us so great last year) next year if we let guys like Joshua, Zadorov and Lindholm walk. You could argue Joshua is quite replaceable from within, Zadorov is hard to replace but we do have Soucy and could probably find a UFA LD easily but Lindholm will be tricky to replace.

Team needs some stability for sure.   There is absolutely a tier after core and before support players.   Get support players will always come and go.   They level up or move on.   The tier after that, teams these days, have to add the right ingredients.   The key roles like 3C, top six (not stars) second pairings etc.    Lindholm, and Zadorov fall into that tier.    

 

It's pretty clear who our core is.   They went to the All-star game together, and have played together in hockey years, a long time now.   Brock is the longest serving player.

 

If you watched the Brock/Miller interview, they were both excited for the future.   They know as a group, that their core is just getting started.  Reflected on how "young" their group is, and how far they've come and grown as players as well.   Without saying it, they implied that they will only get better, and that they know who they are and where they are going.    The start of this core's peak, that 26-33 band, JB brought up several times.    WCE and Sedin teams both went through this.   Naslund and the Sedins, didn't start their prime's until 26-27 and had their best years around 29-30.    

 

The D has barely played together aside from Myers and QHs.   One season or less.    It's vital Allvin doesn't let that slip away.   What a difference a year made,  finally assembling a unit without any AHLers.   That's priority one. 

 

Zadorov for me, is the most important UFA, we simply have to sign him.   If Hronek was a UFA, i'd still start with Zadorov.    Why?   Playoffs.   And i'm tired of having a puny defense without any bite to it.    Canucks hockey, for decades, had an identity of warrior, character, big, scary guys.    Finally, we've brought some of those things back.   Skill too, but nothing like we've seen with QHs.    That needs balance, and that's exactly what Zadorov offers.   Wouldn't be at all opposed, to plunking him on QHs R side (like Soucy, he's a switch hitter) for the next 5-6 years.   
 

Hronek is close to a must have too.   We don't need to do him right away though.   He's a late summer thing.   Once the dust settles with free agency. 

 

Lindholm would be a top 6 stabilizer.    Either by playing with EP, or anchoring a line that could be considered a second line.    Highly doubt Lindholm's playing 13-15 minutes a night.   He's getting top six minutes regardless of whom he plays with. 

 

Zadarov and Lindholm would be serious adds to our core/team if we sign them both.    Myers is also a stabilizing force and won't break the bank.   Like to see those 3 back.    As for Hronek, he's coming back too.    Although he might end up getting traded IF we sign a Roy or Pesce to a medium term deal.  

Edited June 8 by IBatch

[Alflives]

30 minutes ago, IBatch said:

The things that pushed EP down every teams draft list but ours and reportedly NYR, was this exact concern.    He's come a long way.   Doubt even if we had a playoff team when he started, he would have managed much the first few years, because well he couldn't do it in the regular season.   And that's ok.  However now it's needed.  More then ever, his contract and the fact JT Miller's peaking and need EP to peak now too. 

 

Some players get you there.   It's possible that's going to be his biggest strength to the team, sure hope it's not though, we won't win a cup with what we saw this postseason.    Personally think, he gets it now though.   What it's going to take.    And even with an ectomorph body,  there are ways he can add the muscle required to endure this sport and be a regular playoff performer.    Part of that is 100% on Allvin's and Tochetts willingness to both acquire, and partner him up with the right winger's,  the rest is up to EP and the training staff to commit to a routine that adds muscle mass.   It's so simple it's frustrating.   Proper weight training, an additional 15 hours or so a week committed to his schedule and the type of diet that goes with that.   He's got the skills.    There is no reason, he can't add 3lbs of muscle mass a month.   Zero. 

 

The way people use the gym now is pretty tame.   No sweating.  Lots of sitting around between sets.    As a kid saw dozens of skinny kids get jacked (teenagers 14-17 year olds).   Have serious doubts he's doing it right.   At least in a way that will add proper sustainable, muscle mass.    Doesn't need to be 220,  or Barkov like, but he sure should push himself to at least 195 at his age.   Would change his entire game, in a good way, and reduce injuries.    
 

That part, is a little frustrating as a fan and someone who's been familiar with how freaking easy it is to build the body with the proper commitment.    He's maybe half way there.  149-176lbs, 18-25.   That's not enough.   Keep going.  

Petey’s physique is another reason why we should keep Lindholm. Petey can play wing for much of the season where he can stay away from the physical play of centre. He’d be healthier come playoffs. 

[IBatch]

17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Petey’s physique is another reason why we should keep Lindholm. Petey can play wing for much of the season where he can stay away from the physical play of centre. He’d be healthier come playoffs. 

Absolutely.   That's wear and tear on his body, not just his wrist, but low back, legs you name it.    Patrick Kane and other stars in the past that were NHL center hopefuls,  ended up on the wing, it happens all the time.   The fact we needed him to play center, doesn't mean we need to stick to it with Lindholm as part of the core.   
 

Swiss army knives are key players.   JT Miller was one when JB traded for him (that's one thing he nailed).   Lindholm gives Tochett and co options.   And definitely hope that's what they intend to do.    EP free of those things, and some of his 200 foot responsibilities, watch him explode. 

 

Lekkermaki works out...well just imagine if JT Miller and Brock were our second line!   Yikes. 

 

It also helps for later on.   5-6 years from now, a natural ascension or transition can occur.   Miller and Lindholm on the third line together, wrapping up their career's.    That should be the macro view.    And that's how things work when the cap goes up as well.   Doubt Jamie Benn is mad playing on Dallas's third line with some PP time.    And if things need a re-tool, guys like Miller anyways, would waive and help add pieces back.   

Edited June 8 by IBatch

[Junkyard Dog]

3 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

 

He's a C that we converted to RW. He was tracking to be a 3C before RW. Out of necessity, we'll likely see him back at C at some point.

 

Either way, he'll be a decent option for us. 

Doubtful.
 

They kept him at the wing because his game works better there. He is more built for the wing, he is a surprisingly feisty player and works hard on the forecheck and on the boards.  Had he been a better C than wing he would have played there. I am pretty sure that year he lit up the SHL he was mostly at wing. 
 

They also got Raty who is a natural C and good on draws as well as Aman who is probably more C than wing and has played games at both positions at the NHL level this year. 

[NoCupSyndrome]

There should be some value adds later in the summer, mgmt should be aggressive but not overpay. They need to secure a legit wing for EP and solidify their defense more than anything.

[Joe King]

Is there any word on what he and his agent are asking for.? I am wondering how far apart the sides are.

[tas]

28 minutes ago, Joe King said:

Is there any word on what he and his agent are asking for.? I am wondering how far apart the sides are.

he was reportedly looking for $9 mil before and most likely now just wants to see what the market will bear. he had a down year, but the center market is shallow. 

[DownUndaCanuck]

2 hours ago, IBatch said:

Team needs some stability for sure.   There is absolutely a tier after core and before support players.   Get support players will always come and go.   They level up or move on.   The tier after that, teams these days, have to add the right ingredients.   The key roles like 3C, top six (not stars) second pairings etc.    Lindholm, and Zadorov fall into that tier.    

 

It's pretty clear who our core is.   They went to the All-star game together, and have played together in hockey years, a long time now.   Brock is the longest serving player.

 

If you watched the Brock/Miller interview, they were both excited for the future.   They know as a group, that their core is just getting started.  Reflected on how "young" their group is, and how far they've come and grown as players as well.   Without saying it, they implied that they will only get better, and that they know who they are and where they are going.    The start of this core's peak, that 26-33 band, JB brought up several times.    WCE and Sedin teams both went through this.   Naslund and the Sedins, didn't start their prime's until 26-27 and had their best years around 29-30.    

 

The D has barely played together aside from Myers and QHs.   One season or less.    It's vital Allvin doesn't let that slip away.   What a difference a year made,  finally assembling a unit without any AHLers.   That's priority one. 

 

Zadorov for me, is the most important UFA, we simply have to sign him.   If Hronek was a UFA, i'd still start with Zadorov.    Why?   Playoffs.   And i'm tired of having a puny defense without any bite to it.    Canucks hockey, for decades, had an identity of warrior, character, big, scary guys.    Finally, we've brought some of those things back.   Skill too, but nothing like we've seen with QHs.    That needs balance, and that's exactly what Zadorov offers.   Wouldn't be at all opposed, to plunking him on QHs R side (like Soucy, he's a switch hitter) for the next 5-6 years.   
 

Hronek is close to a must have too.   We don't need to do him right away though.   He's a late summer thing.   Once the dust settles with free agency. 

 

Lindholm would be a top 6 stabilizer.    Either by playing with EP, or anchoring a line that could be considered a second line.    Highly doubt Lindholm's playing 13-15 minutes a night.   He's getting top six minutes regardless of whom he plays with. 

 

Zadarov and Lindholm would be serious adds to our core/team if we sign them both.    Myers is also a stabilizing force and won't break the bank.   Like to see those 3 back.    As for Hronek, he's coming back too.    Although he might end up getting traded IF we sign a Roy or Pesce to a medium term deal.  

 

People always talk about 5 or 7 man cores winning cups.

 

Our 5 man core is - Miller, Brock, Petey, Hughes, Demko

Our 7 man core would ideally be - Miller, Brock, Petey, Lindholm, Hughes, Hronek, Demko

 

That 5 man core isn't great enough to get it done by itself. When you look back at those elite Pittsburgh or Chicago teams, their top-5 were better than everyone else's top-5. We don't quite have that. That top-7 though can go head-to-head with any other 7 and beat them.

Look at the current SCF finalists. Edmonton have a supreme top-5 but not much more after that (McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, Bouchard, RNH). Florida have more of a top-7 because their top guys are nowhere near as good as McDavid/Draisaitl, but they have better depth in their top core unit.

 

Hughes might be the best defenceman in the league but he was average in the playoffs, and Demko may be the best goalie in the league, but was absent too. Our forwards are good but nowhere near elite level and I can't imagine Petey ever being on McDavid or MacKinnon's level, which is why we need to focus on fleshing out that core a bit.

[Moeknows]

4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I worry that firstly we don't have >8M to spend on any player. That kind of rules out Guentzel and Necas. We're dishing out a big contract to Hronek surely around 7.5-8M and may well lose Zadorov and/or Joshua at this rate so need some grit coming back.

 

Also I'd rather try and keep our core together, the guys who battled through the season and playoffs together. We can't keep shaking up our core every 6 months like we are now. Want to try and keep the main guys together and revolve supporting players around them. 

 

These last playoffs, our core was very much Miller, Boeser, Lindholm, Zadorov and Silovs. Of course it'd be nice to flip Petey and Demko in there and Hughes and Hronek really should be too, but I worry that we're going to lose a big part of our identity (which made us so great last year) next year if we let guys like Joshua, Zadorov and Lindholm walk. You could argue Joshua is quite replaceable from within, Zadorov is hard to replace but we do have Soucy and could probably find a UFA LD easily but Lindholm will be tricky to replace.

we're not paying Hronek 7.5-8 he's not gonna make more then QH, prob traded imo