DrJockitch Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Being concerned about cap and asset management is natural for someone with not a lot else going on in their life. I Why you care is the real question? Are you a shareholder in the team? Is cap mismanagement losing you money? You do realize that Gudbranson hasn't played for the Canucks in years, right? And that he's still in the league. So, essentially he's shown more use in his line of work than you have on this forum. It says 50.4k posts next to your name right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: It says 50.4k posts next to your name right? And not one of those posts was about cap management. Any other point you'd like to make? I'm sure you were hoping that you had a gotcha moment there, but alas, you'll have to try again some other time, doc. Edited June 13 by PhillipBlunt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 25 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: And not one of those posts was about cap management. Any other point you'd like to make? I'm sure you were hoping that you had a gotcha moment there, but alas, you'll have to try again some other time, doc. Not a gotcha moment just silly to poke at someone about not having a life when you are posting here that frequently. I have lots of time to discuss asset and cap management, great fun discussing these things. Seems like we should have some sort of internet board or forum we could go to and discuss these things for fans of the team. Seems like sort of place someone could even quite happily make thousands or tens of thousands of comments. Better than making posts about policing fandom for how they chose to be fans or what they like to discuss on a team discussion board. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 4 hours ago, Bob Long said: The negative Nellie's have an easy time with hindsight Especially when they want good two way top six forwards and young top RHDs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 20 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Especially when they want good two way top six forwards and young top RHDs. True dat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guntrix Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Being concerned about cap and asset management is natural for someone with not a lot else going on in their life. You essentially just called all posters that talk about cap on here the very same thing. Which is actually most of this forum. Your approach to this team is unique if only because it's comparable to going through life pretending that money isn't a factor in what you can and cannot afford. It's not realistic. 8 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Why you care is the real question? Are you a shareholder in the team? Is cap mismanagement losing you money? No, but unlike you, I understand that cap management (or mismanagement) will be crucial in whether I can watch this team win a cup in my lifetime. This is something that (I hope) is a mutual priority for everyone on this forum. 8 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: You do realize that Gudbranson hasn't played for the Canucks in years, right? And that he's still in the league. So, essentially he's shown more use in his line of work than you have on this forum. Still doesn't make all the years of you dying on a hill for Gudbranson any less funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guntrix Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 8 hours ago, DrJockitch said: It says 50.4k posts next to your name right? He's so much more active than most people on this forum and he has the gall to talk about having a life. lmao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 37 minutes ago, Guntrix said: He's so much more active than most people on this forum and he has the gall to talk about having a life. lmao. i mean the 50.4 is carried over from cdc.. 21 years of posting is only like 6-7 post a day.. not really all that much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 31 minutes ago, Guntrix said: You essentially just called all posters that talk about cap on here the very same thing. Which is actually most of this forum. No, just you. 31 minutes ago, Guntrix said: Your approach to this team is unique if only because it's comparable to going through life pretending that money isn't a factor in what you can and cannot afford. It's not realistic My approach to this team is that I’ve enjoyed and followed them for decades and want to see the Stanley Cup risen by 23 players in a Vancouver jersey. The money spent by the ownership to build a winner is their burden. Pouring over salaries and bonuses, to the point where it would get me in pedantic back and forths with other posters is not of any interest. I’ll leave that you. 31 minutes ago, Guntrix said: No, but unlike you, I understand that cap management (or mismanagement) will be crucial in whether I can watch this team win a cup in my lifetime. So, your ability to watch a team play a game is based on how they spend their money and not how they play the game…. 31 minutes ago, Guntrix said: This is something that (I hope) is a mutual priority for everyone on this forum. The team. The players. The games. That’s what keeps people here talking. The game is played on the ice and not on Excel, Kermit. 31 minutes ago, Guntrix said: Still doesn't make all the years of you dying on a hill for Gudbranson any less funny Yet you’re the one still focused on him. Sarah should be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronning4center Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Really surprised no one's talking about Max Domi for a 3rd line center role. Super physical lots of character, can fight and score. Cap hit of around 3 million..tochett kinda guy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 26 minutes ago, ronning4center said: Really surprised no one's talking about Max Domi for a 3rd line center role. Super physical lots of character, can fight and score. Cap hit of around 3 million..tochett kinda guy? I think Domi will stay with Toronto, and I think he will be $4.5M+. He put up 47 points this past year and 56 points the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think Domi will stay with Toronto, and I think he will be $4.5M+. He put up 47 points this past year and 56 points the year before. Yeah, Domi would be interesting but it'd be surprising if he doesn't remain a Leaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronning4center Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, HKSR said: I think Domi will stay with Toronto, and I think he will be $4.5M+. He put up 47 points this past year and 56 points the year before. Sounds like a great deal and a perfect value replacement for Lindholm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/13/2024 at 7:42 AM, qwijjibo said: No one is paying a 2nd for his rights. Maybe a 4th Yes, no one will give a second to negotiate for Lindholm’s rights. I meant a second for trading Hronek at the draft. That is possible as a RFA. Unfortunately, Lindholm will be walking away for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 part of me wonders if we could have traded for Pavel buchnevich at the upcoming draft if we didn't do the lindholm trade with a similar trade package. Ofc we may not have made it past Nashville without lindholm. But with perfect hindsight it could have been a better outcome. Cant help but feel this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 5 minutes ago, R3aL said: part of me wonders if we could have traded for Pavel buchnevich at the upcoming draft if we didn't do the lindholm trade with a similar trade package. Ofc we may not have made it past Nashville without lindholm. But with perfect hindsight it could have been a better outcome. Cant help but feel this way. St Louis issued a statement at TDL saying they did not to intend Pavel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 11 minutes ago, canucks curse said: St Louis issued a statement at TDL saying they did not to intend Pavel Ya I’m not saying at the TDL, but if they can’t negotiate an extension this summer they are going to explore a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/13/2024 at 12:27 PM, DrJockitch said: Not a gotcha moment just silly to poke at someone about not having a life when you are posting here that frequently. I have lots of time to discuss asset and cap management, great fun discussing these things. Seems like we should have some sort of internet board or forum we could go to and discuss these things for fans of the team. Seems like sort of place someone could even quite happily make thousands or tens of thousands of comments. Better than making posts about policing fandom for how they chose to be fans or what they like to discuss on a team discussion board. it's just tiresome watching people play dress-up in dad's clothes, pretending they have a clue what they're talking about when it comes to cap management and team building. I'm not saying don't do it, it's just kind of exhausting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 If I was on twits er and had lots of free time: I'd compile a list of just what the reporters said, salary expectation wise, for every free agent. Then compare those predictions to what the player actually signed for. then make a graph of estimated salary actual salary money difference percentage difference. It would be good to see a number regarding the accuracy of these reporters. Also, going forward we could spend less time discussing/worrying about what the least accurate guys said, and more attention on those that are more correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 To be honest, I would not even have made that 7 x 7 Offer to lindholm now that I think about it. Yah don't piss away the future because you think it's our window now. If I recall, we were on our way to a great year before we brought him out of cowtown. If he rejected it, as per reports, what the hell does he think he's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 On 6/13/2024 at 7:29 AM, Bob Long said: Does he instantly turn 37 the moment we sign him? I'd love to see him with Petey for years to come. I would rather have a winger, Blueger and depth defenceman with that 9+ million dollar cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Rip The Mesh said: To be honest, I would not even have made that 7 x 7 Offer to lindholm now that I think about it. Yah don't piss away the future because you think it's our window now. If I recall, we were on our way to a great year before we brought him out of cowtown. If he rejected it, as per reports, what the hell does he think he's worth. More. And he will get it because he’s arguably the top 3 UFAs available and a right shot C. Someone will pay up. He’s aware of that, hence why he didn’t accept our offer. Plus he also gets to choose where he wants to play. Maybe Van isn’t his first choice. I think he goes back East again to either BOS or even CAR again. NSH probably on his list as well. Edited June 15 by RWJC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 25 minutes ago, J-23 said: I would rather have a winger, Blueger and depth defenceman with that 9+ million dollar cap hit. Ok - which ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guntrix Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 On 6/13/2024 at 9:24 PM, PhillipBlunt said: No, just you. My approach to this team is that I’ve enjoyed and followed them for decades and want to see the Stanley Cup risen by 23 players in a Vancouver jersey. The money spent by the ownership to build a winner is their burden. Pouring over salaries and bonuses, to the point where it would get me in pedantic back and forths with other posters is not of any interest. I’ll leave that you. The only back and forth you've ever really engaged in is one related to Gudbranson. For years. To me, that's an even worse use of time. On 6/13/2024 at 9:24 PM, PhillipBlunt said: So, your ability to watch a team play a game is based on how they spend their money and not how they play the game…. The team. The players. The games. That’s what keeps people here talking. The game is played on the ice and not on Excel, Kermit. Again, no. You just don't get it. Enjoying a competitive team on ice is directly correlated with how well management administers the cap. Not using the cap well directly translates to a bad on-ice product (which is precisely the only thing you care about). I'm sure you superficially also didn't care about OEL's massive anchor contract handicapping the team. On 6/13/2024 at 9:24 PM, PhillipBlunt said: Yet you’re the one still focused on him. Sarah should be concerned. I've no idea who Sarah is. I'm assuming she's related to Gudbranson (which is ironic given that I'm apparently the one who's invested). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goose Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 SN650 was talking about what it would take to re-sign Lindy. Upping money / term, providing more top line opportunity etc. No one even mentioned that maybe Lindy just has a different destination in mind-somewhere he just wants to be. Doesnt mean he didnt like his time in VAN. Seems pretty obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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