tas Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/9/2024 at 4:49 PM, tas said: another one will pop up. this is already at least the third one right? capgeek shut down I think when the creator died maybe, and then I'm certain there was another one that got bought up by a team or the guy who made it got hired by a team and had to shut it down, but I don't remember which one that was. oh right, it was nhlnumbers, which was run by the guy who is now gm in carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, tas said: oh right, it was nhlnumbers, which was run by the guy who is now gm in carolina. There was also general fanager, which Vegas acquired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 will be interesting to see if Capfriendly was bought to shut down, Or to continue operating ( even under a new name). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: will be interesting to see if Capfriendly was bought to shut down, Or to continue operating ( even under a new name). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 There are other sites… https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/vancouver-canucks/contracts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Is it not surprising to all that teams in the NHL didn't have such infrastructure and data housed internally? My god, they are billion dollar franchises using freeware on the internet??? What if it was wrong? lmao Unbelievable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 21 hours ago, SilentSam said: will be interesting to see if Capfriendly was bought to shut down, Or to continue operating ( even under a new name). 18 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Caps beat writer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 So where does this end? Can say Seattle buy every online advanced stats site and shut them down, so they can keep the info for themselves? I'm ok with the owners making a profit from their hard work. But something that is used by fans and teams alike, wouldn't it be a good idea to have the league buy it? Keep the existing staff for a year or so, while new staff get up to speed. Keep it open, and run ads, and it would be another way of not only being transparent in operations. But help fans, and educate fans, on how the cap works. Typical NHL, lets not find new ways to get and keep our fans. But deny information. Just keep watching games, going to games, buying merchandise. Oh and bet on games too.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: So where does this end? Can say Seattle buy every online advanced stats site and shut them down, so they can keep the info for themselves? I'm ok with the owners making a profit from their hard work. But something that is used by fans and teams alike, wouldn't it be a good idea to have the league buy it? Keep the existing staff for a year or so, while new staff get up to speed. Keep it open, and run ads, and it would be another way of not only being transparent in operations. But help fans, and educate fans, on how the cap works. Typical NHL, lets not find new ways to get and keep our fans. But deny information. Just keep watching games, going to games, buying merchandise. Oh and bet on games too.... I'm not sure the league would care a whole lot of the info available on capfriendly wasn't widely available to fans and media alike, they've certainly made plenty of decisions that gloss over what the fans want. Ads on jerseys, ads on the boards, and so on. Another site, or a few of them, will step up be used. Problem is, said sites probably won't have contacts with NHL teams the way capfriendly probably did. And if any of them get too big, because as more traffic comes along they'll probably get more sophisticated, there's a chance they'll be bought up too. It'd be neat if the NHL just said "fine, we'll build our own for teams and fans to use" but I wouldn't hold my breath. Edited June 12 by Coconuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: I'm not sure the league would care a whole lot of the info available on capgeek wasn't widely available to fans and media alike, they've certainly made plenty of decisions that gloss over what the fans want. Ads on jerseys, ads on the boards, and so on. Another site, or a few of them, will step up be used. Problem is, said sites probably won't have contacts with NHL teams the way capfriendly probably did. And if any of them get too big, because as more traffic comes along they'll probably get more sophisticated, there's a chance they'll be bought up too. It'd be neat if the NHL just said "fine, we'll build our own for teams and fans to use" but I wouldn't hold my breath. Forward thinking and NHL doesn't seem to go hand in hand does it? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Forward thinking and NHL doesn't seem to go hand in hand does it? Doesn't really seem that way, unfortunately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 43 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I'm not sure the league would care a whole lot of the info available on capfriendly wasn't widely available to fans and media alike, they've certainly made plenty of decisions that gloss over what the fans want. Ads on jerseys, ads on the boards, and so on. Another site, or a few of them, will step up be used. Problem is, said sites probably won't have contacts with NHL teams the way capfriendly probably did. And if any of them get too big, because as more traffic comes along they'll probably get more sophisticated, there's a chance they'll be bought up too. It'd be neat if the NHL just said "fine, we'll build our own for teams and fans to use" but I wouldn't hold my breath. It seems that the league has determined the best way to silence voices is to buy the "site", hire the site owners/maintainers onto staff, and then with the golden handcuffs of an "employment contract", seal the "leak". That way, the tools that can be used for analyzing management decisions in real-time can be removed from the public domain, and then it'll be harder to rake management over the coals for questionable decisions as they happen. (Won't stop incompetence from surfacing and being identified down the road though ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 14 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: It seems that the league has determined the best way to silence voices is to buy the "site", hire the site owners/maintainers onto staff, and then with the golden handcuffs of an "employment contract", seal the "leak". That way, the tools that can be used for analyzing management decisions in real-time can be removed from the public domain, and then it'll be harder to rake management over the coals for questionable decisions as they happen. (Won't stop incompetence from surfacing and being identified down the road though ) Honestly, I don't disagree with anything you've said. Not having access to the ins and outs of deals makes it harder to be tough on management, absolutely, not that that'll stop us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Forward thinking and NHL doesn't seem to go hand in hand does it? Just look at the awful ratings for this Stanley Cup Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coho8888 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I think Hockey Reference should replace cap friendly. They already have the staff to update the stats. They easily add salary and cap info as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Whichever cap site wins the race to dark mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 12 Author Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Just look at the awful ratings for this Stanley Cup Final. But could you imagine the ratings with more younger viewers, and non-hockey fans being swayed by having tools, sites, that encourage engagement? The idea is to attract new audiences, and keep your audience. Like it or not, we're in a social media, interactive world. Closing those avenues off, by not educating, and being transparent, does not help the sport grow. The reason the ratings are up, is because most of the playoff rounds has been some of the best hockey in years. Why not add to that success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Why not add to that success? Because the league hates money and they gotta "own da PA"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 4 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: So where does this end? Can say Seattle buy every online advanced stats site and shut them down, so they can keep the info for themselves? I'm ok with the owners making a profit from their hard work. But something that is used by fans and teams alike, wouldn't it be a good idea to have the league buy it? Keep the existing staff for a year or so, while new staff get up to speed. Keep it open, and run ads, and it would be another way of not only being transparent in operations. But help fans, and educate fans, on how the cap works. Typical NHL, lets not find new ways to get and keep our fans. But deny information. Just keep watching games, going to games, buying merchandise. Oh and bet on games too.... they don't want the fans thinking about the salary cap, they want the fans thinking about hockey players playing hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Just look at the awful ratings for this Stanley Cup Final. that's a product of it being two markets without any fans. small market teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott72 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 So today would be the last day we all can use amazing services of CapFriendly and pretend being world class GM's one last time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Scott72 said: So today would be the last day we all can use amazing services of CapFriendly and pretend being world class GM's one last time Pretend? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6of1_halfdozenofother Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 16 minutes ago, Scott72 said: So today would be the last day we all can use amazing services of CapFriendly and pretend being world class GM's one last time Waiting for some enterprising mind to launch yldneirFpaC.com... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Sad day for hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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