DrJockitch Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Drakrami said: It's actually a solid take. Someone who doesn't have skills teaching NHL players top of the league high level skills? For goalie coach, what skills are involved? Positioning, timing, strategy, reaction speed, glove catching (all of which doesn't require the coach to be a master of it) vs stick handling, saucer passes, backhand, slap/wrist shots, skating, edgework (if the coach can't do it himself at a high level, we're to assume he can teach it at a high level?) I think it is like musicians, the one that it comes naturally are often terrible teachers because things came natural to them. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Yet one of the best players in the NHL, Wayne Gretzky, had a Sub .500 coaching record over 4 years. With only one season above .500. Scotty Bowman never got past juniors. Sometimes you might not be great at one thing, but superior in others. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Yet one of the best players in the NHL, Wayne Gretzky, had a Sub .500 coaching record over 4 years. With only one season above .500. Scotty Bowman never got past juniors. Sometimes you might not be great at one thing, but superior in others. The only really good coaches I can b think of who were also star players are Toe Blake and Larry Robinson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 21 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The only really good coaches I can b think of who were also star players are Toe Blake and Larry Robinson. Add Jaques Lemaire to the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughcat07 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 4 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said: I find this to be a poor and short sighted take. Just because someone wasn't a superstar player doesn't mean they will make a poor coach. Ian Clarke never even made the NHL, does that mean he's a bad goalie coach? Someone who's more naturally or physically gifted doesn't mean they understand the game well. Agreed.....remember Gretz as Coyotes coach? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughcat07 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 minutes ago, ploughcat07 said: Agreed.....remember Gretz as Coyotes coach? Sorry Ghostsof1915 you beat me to it and were much more loquacious! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, ploughcat07 said: Agreed.....remember Gretz as Coyotes coach? Oh sure do! I had a pretty thorough rant at the bottom of page 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 5 hours ago, RichterBelmont said: Trying to understand this one. He was a career AHL guy with a few stints in the NHL. What skills and skating is he going to be teaching our NHL players? I can understand him being tasked with helping our Abby players. Hope this works out but I have my doubts. Hard to say. I trust this management team, they clearly know what they're doing. One thing to consider, is sometimes the best players are not good coaches, vice versa. Gretz was the best ever and not a great coach. I actually think players who've had to fight their way in are better coaches because they never had the "natural" talent / skill so had to earn it....Skills coaches learn too, they spend their lives devoted to learning new techniques to help players, its not just hey, i'll show you how to stickhandle better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairGM22 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: The only really good coaches I can b think of who were also star players are Toe Blake and Larry Robinson. Tocchet was a star in his day! So was Gonchar! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Skilled guy, minus the size and a few intangibles that kept him out of the show... But as long as he doesn't teach like a Krog of shit, I'm down with this hire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 7 hours ago, MeanSeanBean said: Is it now? Highest winning coach of all time is Scotty Bowman, isn't he? Peaked as a QPJHL player. Quenneville has a career high of 34 points. Trotz played 4 seasons in the WHL, Maurice had 4 in the OHL. Ruff had 2 seasons where he almost hit 50, but not quite. So 3 our of the top 5 most winning coaches of all time weren't even NHL caliber players, and the other 2 weren't world beaters In contrast the greatest hockey player of all time lasted just 4 seasons as a coach. Yogi Svejkovsky, our previous skills coach had earned nothing but respect in the hockey community for his incredible grasp on skills and how to teach it. So much so it earned him a spot behind the bench beside Rick. Guy only played 113 games in the NHL, what a bum, am I right? Just because someone doesn't have the physical gifts to play at the level of one of the top humans on the entire planet, doesn't mean they aren't a fantastic coach and don't have the ability to teach at a high level. There's literally a well known saying around this entire subject "those who can't do, teach" which comes from a quote from the great Aristotle who said "Those who can, do. Those who understand, teach." I'm not saying Krog will be the greatest skills coach of all time, I don't have nearly enough information on him. But going in skeptical of his ability to coach because he wasn't an all-star caliber player is ridiculous. The guy played professional hockey for 24 years, which is more then Quenneville or Ruff for what it's worth. It's a bad take, as is yours defending it. Thanks... puts it into perspective... On top of that, I doubt they just pluck Krog without having a clue, if he is actually good at, what he does... If anything they have been excellent at bring in the right staff, both on and off the ice... don't see why that would change. Think they definitely earned the benefit of doubt, before anyone starts to be concerned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 hours ago, DrJockitch said: I think it is like musicians, the one that it comes naturally are often terrible teachers because things came natural to them. This is definitely very true.... and understandable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionofJudah Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Jason krog... the name strikes some sort of memory that I just can't grasp. Like when you see someone you know in the street but can't place how you know them lol But anyways welcome to the team! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I remember watching Krog play in the old RMJHL as a 17 year old. It was pretty decent hockey and Krog was a standout playing for Creston. He has seen it all as far as hockey locales and one has to assume many different coaching styles. Even had some KHL games. Very fast and smooth skater. Good luck to Krog and welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadnbutta Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 21 hours ago, RichterBelmont said: Where in my comment did I say he would be a poor coach? I was looking to understand this better. Instead of attacking my comment perhaps you could have provided some insight that I may be lacking? I do appreciate your comment about Clarke as he is one of the best, as time has proven. Am I not allowed to have doubts about a new hire with no previous track record? Guess I will go back to just lurking and not contributing. Head coach.. of course you can have doubts. But a skills coach, is so far down the line. It's literally irrelevant on his past successes or failures. Krog will grow into the position if that makes sense. It does sound like you're being pessimistic for the sake of being negative but you're right, you are entitled to your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breadnbutta Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 hours ago, LionofJudah said: Jason krog... the name strikes some sort of memory that I just can't grasp. Like when you see someone you know in the street but can't place how you know them lol But anyways welcome to the team! He played on the ducks. Fringe NHLer. Was great for the chilliwack chiefs. Local kid. Good hire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sativika Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 A skills and skating coach huh. I totally recall this guy as an AHL'er called up to the big club at some point. He didn't leave much of an impression on me as I recall. He obviously has some kind of talent in the field to which he was hired. He prolly had skills and could skate, but couldn't put it all together to stay in the NHL. Good on him, man. I hope he adds a dimension of skills needed to our players who could use his knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/10/2024 at 11:58 AM, RichterBelmont said: Trying to understand this one. He was a career AHL guy with a few stints in the NHL. What skills and skating is he going to be teaching our NHL players? I can understand him being tasked with helping our Abby players. Hope this works out but I have my doubts. You dont have to be better at something to be able to coach it or teach it some coaches sucked at hockey wayne gretzky sucked at coaching 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/10/2024 at 12:19 PM, DeNiro said: He was a very skilled player who was undrafted and undersized yet managed to play over 200 NHL games including playing with the Ducks in the Stanley Cup finals in 2003. I would say he has a lot to teach our players. Especially the younger guys trying to break into the league. Might wanna do a little research on players before cutting them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon Face Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/10/2024 at 1:55 PM, Drakrami said: It's actually a solid take. Someone who doesn't have skills teaching NHL players top of the league high level skills? For goalie coach, what skills are involved? Positioning, timing, strategy, reaction speed, glove catching (all of which doesn't require the coach to be a master of it) vs stick handling, saucer passes, backhand, slap/wrist shots, skating, edgework (if the coach can't do it himself at a high level, we're to assume he can teach it at a high level?) How do you know there is no skills??????Nice comment btw about goalie coach.Looks like you have knowledge about both. What are you doing here.Go make some money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 If I was the skills coach I would have them practicing shots every day. Hit the fkn net! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmen81 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Krog had been doing work with CBJ last year and they really wanted him back. They needed to move money around to make it work, but by the time they did Canucks came calling and Krog didn't want to wait any longer, plus being home helped for sure. CBJ was not happy about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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