[Proposal] Forwards no one is talking about for the Canucks

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, HarbularyBattery said:

At 8.7m, we would need Laine to show up for a pretty guaranteed 35 goals, I don't think its a feasible risk for us to take

Hes been on pace for 30 goals every season except for 2020-21. Laine also hasnt played with someone with an IQ and as much talent as Pettersson. Could be the perfect match.

If we have to, get salary retention one way or another, either CBJ retains or a 3rd party is involved who is looking for draft capital. Laine is 26, this could very well be the move that solidifies two top lines of scoring and gives more options for the PP1/PP2

[HarbularyBattery]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Hes been on pace for 30 goals every season except for 2020-21. Laine also hasnt played with someone with an IQ and as much talent as Pettersson. Could be the perfect match.

If we have to, get salary retention one way or another, either CBJ retains or a 3rd party is involved who is looking for draft capital. Laine is 26, this could very well be the move that solidifies two top lines of scoring and gives more options for the PP1/PP2

theres a number where it makes sense for sure

 

idk, maybe 1.7m retention, Laine for 7m is probably a gamble worth taking

 

 

[flickyoursedin]

On 6/13/2024 at 10:46 AM, HarbularyBattery said:

Hes speedy but lord almighty is he an offensive black hole

 

 

Sounds like a 4th line guy. Problem with him before was he got paid too much. Kapanen produces fine for a 4th line guy!

[Ghostsof1915]

Reinhart?

[flickyoursedin]

Debrusk last season had 90% projected WAR and actually produces in the playoffs. I’m Bostons last two playoff runs he’s got 17 points in 20 games. I’d actually really like this addition to our top 6!

 

Sammy Blais at one point the potential there so much so he was traded for Buchnevich. Injuries have set him back but he  can throw the body on the 4th line likely cheaper than Duhaime.

 

Victor Oloffsson had an off year getting 15 points but before that had back to back 20 goal and 40+ point seasons. Maybe a cheap 3rd line option guy that can step up if injuries happen. 
 

Management love ex Penguins players so like somebody said Kapanen as a 4th liner I could see that. Also maybe Daniel Sprong put up back to back 40+ point seasons I could also see him as a top 6 target.

[flickyoursedin]

7 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Reinhart?

Man I wish! Holding out hope that after winning a Stanley Cup the next thing on his bucket list is playing for his hometown team! If that is a desire maybe you get him for the same price everybody keeps throwing out for Guentzel! Reinhart at 9.5 mill a year!

[Ghostsof1915]

1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said:

Man I wish! Holding out hope that after winning a Stanley Cup the next thing on his bucket list is playing for his hometown team! If that is a desire maybe you get him for the same price everybody keeps throwing out for Guentzel! Reinhart at 9.5 mill a year!

Vancouver signs Reinhart. Florida gets Guentzel. Balance is restored to the force.

[Artemus]

6 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:

Debrusk last season had 90% projected WAR and actually produces in the playoffs. I’m Bostons last two playoff runs he’s got 17 points in 20 games. I’d actually really like this addition to our top 6!

 

Sammy Blais at one point the potential there so much so he was traded for Buchnevich. Injuries have set him back but he  can throw the body on the 4th line likely cheaper than Duhaime.

 

Victor Oloffsson had an off year getting 15 points but before that had back to back 20 goal and 40+ point seasons. Maybe a cheap 3rd line option guy that can step up if injuries happen. 
 

Management love ex Penguins players so like somebody said Kapanen as a 4th liner I could see that. Also maybe Daniel Sprong put up back to back 40+ point seasons I could also see him as a top 6 target.

 

 

Sammy Blais plays the game with a tough "Take no Prisoners" style. Hard hitting, solid defensively and still young (27) with decent size.

IMO a similar player to Brandon Duhaime. 

Both of whom I think can have parallels drawn with Dakota Joshua of two years ago when Dakota toiled as a 4th liner for us.

In short, Rick Tocchet's type of players.

If it fits our cap structure, I would offer Sammy a contract.

 

 

[Viking]

Yakov Trenin would be a potential Joshua replacement no?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=176691

[fuzzy]

1 hour ago, Viking said:

Yakov Trenin would be a potential Joshua replacement no?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=176691

Agreed. Trenin is a great fit for this team and should sign at a reasonable cost

[flickyoursedin]

23 hours ago, Viking said:

Yakov Trenin would be a potential Joshua replacement no?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=176691

I said awhile back that good Joshua replacements would be Sammy Blais or Yakov Trenin! Both guys would look good on our 4th line! They both hit like crazy too!

[fuzzy]

22 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

I said awhile back that good Joshua replacements would be Sammy Blais or Yakov Trenin! Both guys would look good on our 4th line! They both hit like crazy too!

If the price right then sign both 

[flickyoursedin]

1 hour ago, fuzzy said:

If the price right then sign both 

Trenin might have a fair bit of interest. Might get at least 2.25 mill a year. Blais I think is a little more under the radar and maybe 1.5 mill a year. Some people might not like all that money spent on the 4th line.

[bh90]

I think the canucks will be relatively quiet and uneventful on UFA market

 

Where I think we will be making noise is on the trade market by weaponizing our cap and taking on good players making 4-8 mil per year but on 1-2 years left on their contract

 

 That way we maintain future flexibility

 

 

[TheGuardian]

oops

Edited June 18 by TheGuardian

[IBatch]

On 6/11/2024 at 6:32 PM, The Arrogant Worms said:

Getting Kane would be like getting Messier.  Vomit worthy.

And he's no Mark Messier.   Look at how well that worked out. 

[IBatch]

On 6/17/2024 at 4:49 PM, flickyoursedin said:

Trenin might have a fair bit of interest. Might get at least 2.25 mill a year. Blais I think is a little more under the radar and maybe 1.5 mill a year. Some people might not like all that money spent on the 4th line.

That's not a lot.   

[IBatch]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:55 PM, bh90 said:

I think the canucks will be relatively quiet and uneventful on UFA market

 

Where I think we will be making noise is on the trade market by weaponizing our cap and taking on good players making 4-8 mil per year but on 1-2 years left on their contract

 

 That way we maintain future flexibility

 

 

Thing is we don't have anyone to trade.   Other than core players.   Garland?   The roster has to be filled somewhere, out of the 9 UFA's and Hronek, so far we've signed two.    6 roster spots still, two of them top four D's unless we play Soucy in the top four which is fine.    We don't have the prospects and picks to trade other than Lekkerimaki and Willander.   That's not happening.    Like it or not, the majority of this summer is going to be signing's.    A sign and trade?   Maybe.    We aren't trading Soucy.     Suppose we could trade Brock or EP.    Yikes! 

[kettlevalley]

Monahan as an upgrade to Bluegar and Duclair to play with Guentzel and Petey are two concepts I have mentioned a couple times that I think would work.  Both would be relatively cost effective as well.  So concepts we could pull off.  

[flickyoursedin]

5 hours ago, IBatch said:

That's not a lot.   

It is when you’re spending 2+ million on every guy on the fourth line. We ran into trouble doing this with Rousell, Beagle plus others. I think you just can’t have the luxury of spending that much money on every guy in the bottom 6!

[kettlevalley]

5 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

It is when you’re spending 2+ million on every guy on the fourth line. We ran into trouble doing this with Rousell, Beagle plus others. I think you just can’t have the luxury of spending that much money on every guy in the bottom 6!

Personally think the 4th line and 3rd pair need to have young players in the mix as do the 21 22 23 spots and the back up goalie (silovs).  

[Jigsaw]

On 6/11/2024 at 4:08 PM, Nucker67 said:

I can see why VAN would want Guentzel, having had two 40-goal seasons and a 36 goal season, several 20+ seasons. Sure he played with Crosby, but now he could be playing with Pettersson. Those two together could create a lot of damage. I am curious, though, about Guentzel's injury history. He's missed quite a few games since 2019. Is this a concern?

 

Reinhart would be great, but he'll be very expensive after he wins the Cup.  Canucks can't afford him. 

How close would Guentzel and Reinharts contracts be? I know the benefits of playing in Florida, but if Reinhart came home ( maybe a little less $, and if he grew up a Canuck fan) he would score 40-50 regularly playing with Miller or Petey. maybe?

[BPA]

Recency bias says get Reinhart

[higgyfan]

12 hours ago, IBatch said:

Thing is we don't have anyone to trade.   Other than core players.   Garland?   The roster has to be filled somewhere, out of the 9 UFA's and Hronek, so far we've signed two.    6 roster spots still, two of them top four D's unless we play Soucy in the top four which is fine.    We don't have the prospects and picks to trade other than Lekkerimaki and Willander.   That's not happening.    Like it or not, the majority of this summer is going to be signing's.    A sign and trade?   Maybe.    We aren't trading Soucy.     Suppose we could trade Brock or EP.    Yikes! 

 

The Canucks will need to add UFAs if they want to continue progressing into playoff territory.  They need to hang

onto their young assets and find UFA players that can effectively fill in the roles that are needed until the prospects

NHL are ready.

 

For instance; for the price of Guentzel, they might add 2 top 6 players for a similar price.

 

Duclair 3.8m     JT 8m    Brock 6.5m

Stephenson 5.2m      EP 11.6m     5m vet 

 

Garland is of value to a building team that has few RWs:  Utah (Garland)  Van (Hayton + Bjudstad).

Hayton 2.2m?     Bjudstad 2.1m    Podz 1m   *Hayton had a career year in 2022, but was injured 2023

                                                                            He adds youth and skill to the team and is a C/LW.

Aman .815m    Suter 1.8m    Karlsson .775

Di Gi .775

 

Hogs has a good future and Mik(1m retained) is a decent player for 3.75m.  $4.95 for the 2 players.

They need a placeholder for Lekky, so trade for a vet 5mx2 that can play hard and put up 50ish points.

A player like Perron, although he is a UFA this year.

 

Hughes 7.8m   Hronek 7.2m

Soucy 3.2m   Myers 3.2m

Reilly/Kulikov 2m    Juulsen .775

Friedman .775

I'm not saying all these trades/ufa signings with $ and term are easy to turn into contracts,

but there are many possibilities that will take vision, courage and the skill to put a winning

team together.  I think the management group and coaching staff have the experience

and smarts to do such a thing.  GCG

[IBatch]

8 hours ago, higgyfan said:

 

The Canucks will need to add UFAs if they want to continue progressing into playoff territory.  They need to hang

onto their young assets and find UFA players that can effectively fill in the roles that are needed until the prospects

NHL are ready.

 

For instance; for the price of Guentzel, they might add 2 top 6 players for a similar price.

 

Duclair 3.8m     JT 8m    Brock 6.5m

Stephenson 5.2m      EP 11.6m     5m vet 

 

Garland is of value to a building team that has few RWs:  Utah (Garland)  Van (Hayton + Bjudstad).

Hayton 2.2m?     Bjudstad 2.1m    Podz 1m   *Hayton had a career year in 2022, but was injured 2023

                                                                            He adds youth and skill to the team and is a C/LW.

Aman .815m    Suter 1.8m    Karlsson .775

Di Gi .775

 

Hogs has a good future and Mik(1m retained) is a decent player for 3.75m.  $4.95 for the 2 players.

They need a placeholder for Lekky, so trade for a vet 5mx2 that can play hard and put up 50ish points.

A player like Perron, although he is a UFA this year.

 

Hughes 7.8m   Hronek 7.2m

Soucy 3.2m   Myers 3.2m

Reilly/Kulikov 2m    Juulsen .775

Friedman .775

I'm not saying all these trades/ufa signings with $ and term are easy to turn into contracts,

but there are many possibilities that will take vision, courage and the skill to put a winning

team together.  I think the management group and coaching staff have the experience

and smarts to do such a thing.  GCG

Sure glad i'm not running the show.   The fact Zadorov hasn't been done yet is concerning.    To me he was priority one, in the same way I hoped we'd sign Soucy last off season, ahead of Hronek.    It's easier to find value in the middle class journeyman for the most part.     And Soucy for 3 x 3 was excellent value.   Z will come with a premium, we need his intangibles though.    Look at Florida, outhitting EDM 2 to 1, and some of those hits weren't "finishing your check" types that get recorded as hits, they hurt.    Big difference between Zadorov (or Joshua for that matter) and a hit by Garland.    Size does matter.   It sure helped St. Louis win their cup.     Dillon maybe, other teams will want him too though.

 

If we don't win (lose?) the Guentzel sweepstakes,  we could do a lot with 9 million.   Price and Sekeres floated the question.   2 F's, 2 D's or 1D and 1F.   The last one for me makes a lot of sense. 

 

Edit: Perron is a good target.   He also has a gritty aspect to his game (Faulk does too..a lot of the older vets on St. Louis did/do).    As a temp.   Guentzel is a prize to consider IF we can re-jig the bottom six into defensive specialists that also have size and use it.    We'd be going to a two line team.    That part scares me a little.    That said, they've committed to EP, and can't give him plugs. 

 

Im also not a fan of Hronek with QHs in the playoffs anyways.    Needs a bigger meaner body around to help get those pucks back/out.   Zadorov on the right side for me. 

 

Marshmellow might be a cheaper Guentzel.     Hope we stay away from Toffoli because 6 x 3  just seems too much for a soft, slow, perimeter guy.    

Edited June 25 by IBatch