Mike Vanderhoek Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Fuck, they are going to buyout Mikheyev... $ 1.55 million per season for four years correct? worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years. A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha. Edited June 25 by Mike Vanderhoek 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Shackleford Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 33 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Competitve window says otherwise, especially with proposed Division realignment goes ahead with Calgary and Edmonton moving to the Central and Utah and Colorado coming to Pacific That would suck for us and increase travel time. Hope this doesn't happen but isn't Utah/Arizona already in the Pacific? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 23 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Honestly, I'd rather sign a second liner and a top 4RD over Guentzel if possible. Guentzel is the top tier forward out there, absolutely, but I think two higher end additions would benefit us more than one would. And the money makes more sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, Rip The Mesh said: And the money makes more sense. Having another top 4RD to back up Hronek places Myers on the third pairing, where he'd probably play quite well, and gives Willander a bit of a buffer once Myers is done. Willander is still a very young D and may end up returning to Boston for all we know. Signing an RD would probably have him starting on the third pairing when he cracks the bigs too, which is probably the most realistic place for him to begin anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: source? My gut feeling. I also predicted the OEL buyout and everyone laughed at me. The fact that Milstein has to be involved just to try and trade him tells me that nobody wants him unless a large sweetener is attached... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Having another top 4RD to back up Hronek places Myers on the third pairing, where he'd probably play quite well, and gives Willander a bit of a buffer once Myers is done. Willander is still a very young D and may end up returning to Boston for all we know. Signing an RD would probably have him starting on the third pairing when he cracks the bigs too, which is probably the most realistic place for him to begin anyway. Myers simply wouldn't be resigned, which would then open up the projected 3m. So, lets say Roy gets 5.5m at 4/5 years, that's only 2.5m more overall for D. That's very doable, and worthy of a Mik buyot as it solidifies our D (with Zad) for the whole window. Basically: 24/25 Hughes-Roy Zad-Hronek Soucy-Juulsen 25/26 Hughes-Hronek/Roy Zad-Hronek/Willander Soucy-Willander/Roy 26/27 + Hughes-Hronek Zad-Willander FA/Dev Guy-Roy Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 24 minutes ago, Rusty Shackleford said: That would suck for us and increase travel time. Hope this doesn't happen but isn't Utah/Arizona already in the Pacific? They are currently in the Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, BC_Hawk said: Myers simply wouldn't be resigned, which would then open up the projected 3m. So, lets say Roy gets 5.5m at 4/5 years, that's only 2.5m more overall for D. That's very doable, and worthy of a Mik buyot as it solidifies our D (with Zad) for the whole window. Basically: 24/25 Hughes-Roy Zad-Hronek Soucy-Juulsen 25/26 Hughes-Hronek/Roy Zad-Hronek/Willander Soucy-Willander/Roy 26/27 + Hughes-Hronek Zad-Willander FA/Dev Guy-Roy Yes please Maybe, it really depends on how badly Myers wants to come back and what he's willing to take in the form of a contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Maybe, it really depends on how badly Myers wants to come back and what he's willing to take in the form of a contract Wouldn't be surprised if he came in +/- 250k of 3 mill 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So much chatter So much heat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Wouldn't be surprised if he came in +/- 250k of 3 mill Anywhere in the range of 2-3.5M wouldn't surprise me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrammaInTheTub Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 37 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: $ 1.55 million per season for four years correct? worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years. A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha. “Disgraceful conduct and lack of professionalism” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Hawk Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Maybe, it really depends on how badly Myers wants to come back and what he's willing to take in the form of a contract IF you want to upgrade the D with a longer term answer at 1/2 RHD, then there is not room UNLESS he is willing to sign at <1m. We simply don't have the cap space to make it work. In a perfect world, you use him as a 2 year bridge at <3m for your 2nd pair and deploy the money elsewhere. BUT, as was pointed out, this years UFA RHD market is loaded, so might as well grab the longer term value while you can, and really set the D up for the next 4-5 years. You can't sign Zad + Roy + Myers and expect to inject talent into your top 6. That is our biggest need outside of resigning Zad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 11 minutes ago, Devron said: So much chatter So much heat My teeth are chattering! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said: IF you want to upgrade the D with a longer term answer at 1/2 RHD, then there is not room UNLESS he is willing to sign at <1m. We simply don't have the cap space to make it work. In a perfect world, you use him as a 2 year bridge at <3m for your 2nd pair and deploy the money elsewhere. BUT, as was pointed out, this years UFA RHD market is loaded, so might as well grab the longer term value while you can, and really set the D up for the next 4-5 years. You can't sign Zad + Roy + Myers and expect to inject talent into your top 6. That is our biggest need outside of resigning Zad. You're probably not wrong, we'll see what happens with Zadorov though. In the end it may just end up being something similar to those three, the Canucks may opt to make do with mostly what they've already got up front or in the system. Boeser, Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander, possibly Garland. Maybe Lekkerimaki, Raty, or Podkolzin. If they opt to go after another RD instead of Myers, maybe that leaves him looking for a contract elsewhere though, absolutely. Not being able to move out Mikheyev without taking cap back in hurts their ability to address the top six though, even a buyout only gets them some of that space back. They may just have to live with that though, they shouldn't be paying picks to dump more cap. Edited June 25 by Coconuts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I think we are stuck with Mik. Just keep him away from EP please and thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I wonder if one of our arbitration eligible guys files. That would buy us some time by opening a 2nd buyout window. That way we would have a better idea where we stand and would take some leverage from teams trying to take advantage of our situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 17 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: $ 1.55 million per season for four years correct? worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years. A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha. A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes. alternately, proving that judging deals with the benefit of hindsight isn't really fair to the people who had to make those decisions without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, PureQuickness said: A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes. IMHAO Mik will be back and have a great year playing on a line with Petey and Geuntzel. Garland gets traded for cap space. Last summer he wanted out, we tried to move him, but he had no value. He was where Mik is now. Garland had a good back half of the season. Hopefully we can move him now and get a late round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 17 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Competitve window says otherwise, especially if the proposed Division realignment goes ahead with Calgary and Edmonton moving to the Central and Utah and Colorado coming to Pacific lol that division realignment will not go ahead.. you isolate the 3rd biggest Canadian market by themselves with the fewest games against Canadian team? Ya like that’s gonna happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 16 hours ago, Coconuts said: You're probably not wrong, we'll see what happens with Zadorov though. In the end it may just end up being something similar to those three, the Canucks may opt to make do with mostly what they've already got up front or in the system. Boeser, Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander, possibly Garland. Maybe Lekkerimaki, Raty, or Podkolzin. If they opt to go after another RD instead of Myers, maybe that leaves him looking for a contract elsewhere though, absolutely. Not being able to move out Mikheyev without taking cap back in hurts their ability to address the top six though, even a buyout only gets them some of that space back. They may just have to live with that though, they shouldn't be paying picks to dump more cap. Man that top 6 is even worse than what they started with last year with kuzmenko.. if we get the hoglander from the playoff we are in big trouble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain insano Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: Man that top 6 is even worse than what they started with last year with kuzmenko.. if we get the hoglander from the playoff we are in big trouble I didn’t hate hoglander post season, guys still young scored a big goal was under the oilers skin the games he did play had a couple breakdowns but that’s expected at that age and experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 38 minutes ago, PureQuickness said: A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes. They really should have known he would blow out his knee, amateurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: They really should have known he would blow out his knee, amateurs. Preseason vs Calgary, I watched it happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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