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4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Fuck, they are going to buyout Mikheyev...   😳

 

$ 1.55 million per season for four years correct?

 

worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years.

 

A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha.

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33 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Competitve window says otherwise, especially with proposed Division realignment goes ahead with Calgary and Edmonton moving to the Central and Utah and Colorado coming to Pacific 

 

That would suck for us and increase travel time.  Hope this doesn't happen but isn't Utah/Arizona already in the Pacific?

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23 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Honestly, I'd rather sign a second liner and a top 4RD over Guentzel if possible. Guentzel is the top tier forward out there, absolutely, but I think two higher end additions would benefit us more than one would. 

And the money makes more sense.

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Just now, Rip The Mesh said:

And the money makes more sense.

 

Having another top 4RD to back up Hronek places Myers on the third pairing, where he'd probably play quite well, and gives Willander a bit of a buffer once Myers is done. 

 

Willander is still a very young D and may end up returning to Boston for all we know. Signing an RD would probably have him starting on the third pairing when he cracks the bigs too, which is probably the most realistic place for him to begin anyway. 

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13 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Having another top 4RD to back up Hronek places Myers on the third pairing, where he'd probably play quite well, and gives Willander a bit of a buffer once Myers is done. 

 

Willander is still a very young D and may end up returning to Boston for all we know. Signing an RD would probably have him starting on the third pairing when he cracks the bigs too, which is probably the most realistic place for him to begin anyway. 

Myers simply wouldn't be resigned, which would then open up the projected 3m. So, lets say Roy gets 5.5m at 4/5 years, that's only 2.5m more overall for D. That's very doable, and worthy of a Mik buyot as it solidifies our D (with Zad) for the whole window. Basically:

 

24/25

 

Hughes-Roy

Zad-Hronek

Soucy-Juulsen

 

25/26

 

Hughes-Hronek/Roy

Zad-Hronek/Willander

Soucy-Willander/Roy

 

26/27 +

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zad-Willander

FA/Dev Guy-Roy

 

Yes please

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1 minute ago, BC_Hawk said:

Myers simply wouldn't be resigned, which would then open up the projected 3m. So, lets say Roy gets 5.5m at 4/5 years, that's only 2.5m more overall for D. That's very doable, and worthy of a Mik buyot as it solidifies our D (with Zad) for the whole window. Basically:

 

24/25

 

Hughes-Roy

Zad-Hronek

Soucy-Juulsen

 

25/26

 

Hughes-Hronek/Roy

Zad-Hronek/Willander

Soucy-Willander/Roy

 

26/27 +

 

Hughes-Hronek

Zad-Willander

FA/Dev Guy-Roy

 

Yes please

 

Maybe, it really depends on how badly Myers wants to come back and what he's willing to take in the form of a contract

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37 minutes ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

$ 1.55 million per season for four years correct?

 

worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years.

 

A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha.

“Disgraceful conduct and lack of professionalism”

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6 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Maybe, it really depends on how badly Myers wants to come back and what he's willing to take in the form of a contract

IF you want to upgrade the D with a longer term answer at 1/2 RHD, then there is not room UNLESS he is willing to sign at <1m. We simply don't have the cap space to make it work.

 

In a perfect world, you use him as a 2 year bridge at <3m for your 2nd pair and deploy the money elsewhere. BUT, as was pointed out, this years UFA RHD market is loaded, so might as well grab the longer term value while you can, and really set the D up for the next 4-5 years. 

 

You can't sign Zad + Roy + Myers and expect to inject talent into your top 6. That is our biggest need outside of resigning Zad. 

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7 minutes ago, BC_Hawk said:

IF you want to upgrade the D with a longer term answer at 1/2 RHD, then there is not room UNLESS he is willing to sign at <1m. We simply don't have the cap space to make it work.

 

In a perfect world, you use him as a 2 year bridge at <3m for your 2nd pair and deploy the money elsewhere. BUT, as was pointed out, this years UFA RHD market is loaded, so might as well grab the longer term value while you can, and really set the D up for the next 4-5 years. 

 

You can't sign Zad + Roy + Myers and expect to inject talent into your top 6. That is our biggest need outside of resigning Zad. 

 

You're probably not wrong, we'll see what happens with Zadorov though. 

 

In the end it may just end up being something similar to those three, the Canucks may opt to make do with mostly what they've already got up front or in the system. 

 

Boeser, Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander, possibly Garland. Maybe Lekkerimaki, Raty, or Podkolzin. 

 

If they opt to go after another RD instead of Myers, maybe that leaves him looking for a contract elsewhere though, absolutely. 

 

Not being able to move out Mikheyev without taking cap back in hurts their ability to address the top six though, even a buyout only gets them some of that space back. They may just have to live with that though, they shouldn't be paying picks to dump more cap. 

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I wonder if one of our arbitration eligible guys files. That would buy us some time by opening a 2nd buyout window. That way we would have a better idea where we stand and would take some leverage from teams trying to take advantage of our situation.

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17 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

$ 1.55 million per season for four years correct?

 

worth buying out if the cost to move him is a higher retention number and picks or assets attached. This would be an avenue to retain assets, free up just as much ca as they would have in a trade but having to spread out over more years.

 

A few certain people here would be calling for JR and PA firings haha.

 

A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes.

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3 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes.

alternately, proving that judging deals with the benefit of hindsight isn't really fair to the people who had to make those decisions without it. 

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1 minute ago, PureQuickness said:

 

A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes.

IMHAO Mik will be back and have a great year playing on a line with Petey and Geuntzel. 
Garland gets traded for cap space. Last summer he wanted out, we tried to move him, but he had no value. He was where Mik is now. Garland had a good back half of the season. Hopefully we can move him now and get a late round pick. 

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17 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

Competitve window says otherwise, especially if the proposed Division realignment goes ahead with Calgary and Edmonton moving to the Central and Utah and Colorado coming to Pacific 

lol that division realignment will not go ahead.. you isolate the 3rd biggest Canadian market by themselves with the fewest games against Canadian team? Ya like that’s gonna happen

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16 hours ago, Coconuts said:

 

You're probably not wrong, we'll see what happens with Zadorov though. 

 

In the end it may just end up being something similar to those three, the Canucks may opt to make do with mostly what they've already got up front or in the system. 

 

Boeser, Pettersson, Miller, Hoglander, possibly Garland. Maybe Lekkerimaki, Raty, or Podkolzin. 

 

If they opt to go after another RD instead of Myers, maybe that leaves him looking for a contract elsewhere though, absolutely. 

 

Not being able to move out Mikheyev without taking cap back in hurts their ability to address the top six though, even a buyout only gets them some of that space back. They may just have to live with that though, they shouldn't be paying picks to dump more cap. 

Man that top 6 is even worse than what they started with last year with kuzmenko.. if we get the hoglander from the playoff we are in big trouble 

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1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said:

Man that top 6 is even worse than what they started with last year with kuzmenko.. if we get the hoglander from the playoff we are in big trouble 

I didn’t hate hoglander post season, guys still young scored a big goal was under the oilers skin the games he did play had a couple breakdowns but that’s expected at that age and experience 

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38 minutes ago, PureQuickness said:

 

A buyout for Mikheyev seems necessary at this point. I was a big critic of JR/PA when they started, but they have since changed my mind. That said, Mikheyev was a very bad signing in hindsight, proving that all GMs make mistakes.

They really should have known he would blow out his knee, amateurs. 

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