RupertKBD Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 18 minutes ago, DSVII said: Yeah, I have no idea how one puts a value on these sorts of things..... but I'd be surprised if someone would actually pay $40 million for what is essentially a flag, hanging sideways. I guess PT Barnum was right.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Should spend 10 years in jail for terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, RupertKBD said: Guess that leaves you between a rock and a hard place.... .....I'll show myself out.... .... and we have a winner!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 38 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: https://apnews.com/article/just-stop-oil-national-gallery-climate-protest-venus-painting-3c403a36f14cb4ac2521ddf9d70f3654 "after they smashed a protective glass panel covering a famous Diego Velázquez oil painting" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I have been to Stonehenge and really wasn't all that impressed as a 17 year old kid. Having said that, what in the actual fk do these imbeciles think these cool stones in the middle of no where have to do with Oil. Society is really getting stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking maybe something a bit more substantial that the same rope barrier they use in movie theaters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, elvis15 said: Any publicity is good publicity. It's like realizing (most of) the right wing politicians and media aren't actually that stupid to believe the crap they spew to the general public. In this case though it's them being smart enough to not actually vandalize anything worth something, and knowing the majority of the people that will reply aren't smart enough to realize that. The knee-jerk reactions bring the most attention to these events though, just like with the right wingers farming outrage, it's just not the protesters' target audience. Those 2 old bitties tried their best to destroy the Magna Carta a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: Those 2 old bitties tried their best to destroy the Magna Carta a few weeks ago. Do you mean the case protecting the Magna Carta? "The British Library said the damage to the case ... was "minimal" and police said the document itself was not harmed." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68991038 These really are carefully thought out protests to bring attention to an issue, not reckless attempts to damage anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Do you mean the case protecting the Magna Carta? "The British Library said the damage to the case ... was "minimal" and police said the document itself was not harmed." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68991038 These really are carefully thought out protests to bring attention to an issue, not reckless attempts to damage anything. I posted the video. They were doing their best to smash the case with a chisel and hammer, but didn't have the strength to break it. Had they even just smashed it and not touched the document, the Magna Carta would have been damaged and they know it. 800 year old parchment and forcefully raining down shattered glass is a destructive combination. Edited June 19 by Sabrefan1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: I posted the video. They were doing their best to smash the case with a chisel and hammer, but didn't have the strength to break it. Had they even just smashed it and not touched the document, the Magna Carta would have been damaged and they know it. 800 year old parchment and forcefully raining down shattered glass is a destructive combination. It's almost like that was a deliberate choice to not have stronger, younger protestors attack the case. The case did the job it was designed for and the protest got the attention it wanted. I'll say it again: these are very carefully thought out protests to bring attention to an issue, not to actually damage anything. Edited June 19 by elvis15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 32 minutes ago, Sabrefan1 said: I posted the video. They were doing their best to smash the case with a chisel and hammer, but didn't have the strength to break it. Had they even just smashed it and not touched the document, the Magna Carta would have been damaged and they know it. 800 year old parchment and forcefully raining down shattered glass is a destructive combination. None of the protestors have the strength to break much more than the seal on the lid of their almond milk bottle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, elvis15 said: Which art that they've targeted has been physically damaged? Some guy took a hammer to the Pieta in the Vatican 52 years ago. Wasn't political, the guy was just crazy. He insisted he was Jesus Christ, risen from the dead. Hit the statue at least 15 times, breaking off an arm, part of a nose and sundry other chunks of marble. The restoration took ten months and the sculpture was then place behind bulletproof glass. The guy was never charged and was committed to a hospital for the mentally ill. He was released a few years later, moved to Australia and died a bit of a hermit in 2012. And this concludes my Ted Talk. https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/the-day-michelangelos-pieta-was-vandalised-in-a-hammer-attack.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 9 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: None of the protestors have the strength to break much more than the seal on the lid of their almond milk bottle. And if you look at the method used in each protest (cornstarch in Stonehenge, safety hammers to break the glass in Gnarcore's example, a hammer and chisel for the Magna Carta) they have chosen things that will either do the least amount of damage while looking bad. Having two eighty year olds try and use a precision tool like a chisel versus just taking that hammer and hitting the glass directly with a big swing is a pretty good example of that. The other point is they stop after they get the point across, and say their speech. If they wanted to break stuff, they'd go all out until they're tackled to the ground and then have the organization release a statement after. These are not big damage terrorist attacks where a group claims ownership after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Some guy took a hammer to the Pieta in the Vatican 52 years ago. Wasn't political, the guy was just crazy. He insisted he was Jesus Christ, risen from the dead. Hit the statue at least 15 times, breaking off an arm, part of a nose and sundry other chunks of marble. The restoration took ten months and the sculpture was then place behind bulletproof glass. The guy was never charged and was committed to a hospital for the mentally ill. He was released a few years later, moved to Australia and died a bit of a hermit in 2012. And this concludes my Ted Talk. https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/the-day-michelangelos-pieta-was-vandalised-in-a-hammer-attack.html Exactly. They go to great lengths to make sure they aren't that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 19 Author Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, elvis15 said: It's almost like that was a deliberate choice to not have stronger, younger protestors attack the case. The case did the job it was designed for and the protest got the attention it wanted. I'll say it again: these are very carefully thought out protests to bring attention to an issue, not to actually damage anything. You're optimistic, I'm not. These are naive idiots. I doubt they did that much thinking. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 They were just mad that the prehistoric people didn't purchase carbon credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 10 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: They really need to start imprisoning these people. For your personal reading pleasure: Protection of the cultural heritage: acts constituting a crime against the common heritage of humanity https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000123525 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: You're optimistic, I'm not. These are naive idiots. I doubt they did that much thinking. I disagree. There’s coordinating happening amongst their group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 hours ago, Bell said: I have been to Stonehenge and really wasn't all that impressed as a 17 year old kid. Having said that, what in the actual fk do these imbeciles think these cool stones in the middle of no where have to do with Oil. Society is really getting stupid. Been there too. For me, it wasn’t so much the stones themselves, but the ability to transport them with the crudest methods available at the time and ‘reason why’. It was fascinating, considering stones of those sorts are geologically located, at nearest, so far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 41 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: I disagree. There’s coordinating happening amongst their group. Sure there is coordination. The guy who was interviewed on Morgan's show said as much. I just doubt that it goes any farther than, "hey, you guys are going to go to the Mona Lisa and throw paint at it and read this pre-drafted speech. The things they vandalize are secondary to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Sabrefan1 said: Sure there is coordination. The guy who was interviewed on Morgan's show said as much. I just doubt that it goes any farther than, "hey, you guys are going to go to the Mona Lisa and throw paint at it and read this pre-drafted speech. The things they vandalize are secondary to them. Fair. I think there’s a coordinated discussion amongst the Stop Oil folks on messaging apps where they have discussions about how to make the biggest impact. I also think that there’s dissent amongst them, just like on any Committee, and then the hardliners just do whatever they want. It’s a shame. I want them prosecuted and jailed, but from time immemorial, it’s these kinda folks that have always been the people that put issues into the zeitgeist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 51 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Been there too. For me, it wasn’t so much the stones themselves, but the ability to transport them with the crudest methods available at the time and ‘reason why’. It was fascinating, considering stones of those sorts are geologically located, at nearest, so far away. There are stone structures on every continent and the methods used are merely speculation. There are ones on atolls in the Pacific and Atlantic that would have required floating them on rafts or something. Massive stone blocks that also would have had to be lifted into place somehow. The local people's folklore claim that they used some form of technology to "levitate" the stones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 hours ago, Sabrefan1 said: You're optimistic, I'm not. These are naive idiots. I doubt they did that much thinking. We'll agree to disagree on that. It's like saying Greenpeace just rides around in boats looking for whalers to harass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Sharpshooter said: Been there too. For me, it wasn’t so much the stones themselves, but the ability to transport them with the crudest methods available at the time and ‘reason why’. It was fascinating, considering stones of those sorts are geologically located, at nearest, so far away. It's not so much these particular individuals I'm super concerned about. It's more that some idiot somewhere is going to see these acts being glorified and become inspired to do something atrocious. Speaking of but also kinda funny. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/61567/Egypt-investigates-porn-video-allegedly-shot-atop-Giza-Pyramid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 38 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: There are stone structures on every continent and the methods used are merely speculation. There are ones on atolls in the Pacific and Atlantic that would have required floating them on rafts or something. Massive stone blocks that also would have had to be lifted into place somehow. The local people's folklore claim that they used some form of technology to "levitate" the stones. The mining of such large stones, lol, I hear myself, could have been floated on the Western English Coast and then manually been transferred from there. Never thought of that. I assumed it was transported on land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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