Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 9 minutes ago, Hammertime said: It's not so much these particular individuals I'm super concerned about. It's more that some idiot somewhere is going to see these acts being glorified and become inspired to do something atrocious. Speaking of but also kinda funny. https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/61567/Egypt-investigates-porn-video-allegedly-shot-atop-Giza-Pyramid Yup. There’s going to be someone, somewhere, and somehow that does something so heinous to ensure that they’re cause is highlighted at the detriment of a place/painting/statue/etc that robs the world of a historical thing. Prosecutions need to be more forceful and long lasting, imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 45 minutes ago, RWMc1 said: There are stone structures on every continent and the methods used are merely speculation. There are ones on atolls in the Pacific and Atlantic that would have required floating them on rafts or something. Massive stone blocks that also would have had to be lifted into place somehow. The local people's folklore claim that they used some form of technology to "levitate" the stones. Easter Island comes to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 13 minutes ago, Sharpshooter said: Easter Island comes to mind. Yup There are so many that most people don't know about many of them. Lying on the northern outskirts of the city of Cusco in Peru, lies the walled complex of Saksaywaman (Sacsayhuaman). The site is famed for its remarkable large dry stone walls with boulders carefully cut to fit together tightly without mortar. The stones used in the construction of the terraces at Saksaywaman, which weigh up to 200 tonnes, are among the largest used in any building in prehispanic America, and display a precision of fitting that is unmatched in the Americas. The stones are so closely spaced that a single piece of paper will not fit between many of the stones. This precision, combined with the rounded corners of the blocks, the variety of their interlocking shapes, and the way the walls lean inward have puzzled scientists for decades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 3 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: It’s a shame. I want them prosecuted and jailed, but from time immemorial, it’s these kinda folks that have always been the people that put issues into the zeitgeist. Except that they aren't telling everyone something that we all don't already know. It's too damn bad for them that people aren't moving as fast as they'd like. Progress takes time. Always has, always will. When they do this kind of crap, it makes me care less about their issue(s), not more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Sabrefan1 said: Except that they aren't telling everyone something that we all don't already know. It's too damn bad for them that people aren't moving as fast as they'd like. Progress takes time. Always has, always will. When they do this kind of crap, it makes me care less about their issue(s), not more. I hear ya. It’s the same for those that stop highways and bridges. I want to flog them all, and then I remember we’re not North Korea, and even then, specifically, I wish we were. Just venting. I digress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 12 hours ago, Sharpshooter said: Easter Island comes to mind. So does Rapa Nui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/taylor-swift-private-jet-uk-airfield-just-stop-oil-activists-spray-paint-planes-2555750-2024-06-20 Attempted to spray a toxic oil based product on Taylor Swift's aircraft but vandalized 2 random planes instead. Just stop oil must be deemed as a terrorist organization Edited June 20 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Memeber when Green Peace was doing all sorts of weird and wacky stuff to try to get whaling stopped? Not much whaling going on anymore., just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Gurn said: Memeber when Green Peace was doing all sorts of weird and wacky stuff to try to get whaling stopped? Not much whaling going on anymore., just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. Does the just stop oil terrorist group know that their using toxic and oil based products in their crime spree? Edited June 20 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: Memeber when Green Peace was doing all sorts of weird and wacky stuff to try to get whaling stopped? Not much whaling going on anymore., just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. did they though? or the fact that whale oil isn't lighting our rooms. Aren't there still a few countries like Japan and Iceland still whaling as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 57 minutes ago, Bob Long said: did they though? or the fact that whale oil isn't lighting our rooms. Aren't there still a few countries like Japan and Iceland still whaling as well? Not sure about Iceland....I'm pretty sure Norway still does though. Japan for sure. They still hunt dolphins as well, last I heard....although the negative press from "The Cove" may have curtailed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On 6/19/2024 at 8:04 AM, 112 said: Stonehenge is the beginning of industry in England. We should have never built structures in the first place. clearly internal combustion engines were needed to lift those rocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob Long said: did they though? or the fact that whale oil isn't lighting our rooms. Aren't there still a few countries like Japan and Iceland still whaling as well? 1 hour ago, Gurn said: just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. Whale oil went basically out back when Petroleum and electricity came around. And the few countries that still do whaling are down to numbers they call 'research' levels. Green peace put the boots to most of the remaining harvest. Just as their protests helped stop the incredibly stupid Nuke 'testing' in the pacific. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Protest works, because most people won't change a freaking thing, unless pushed, or inconvenienced https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/18307/history-commercial-whaling-greenpeace/ " The IWC was set up in 1946, and it took 20 years for the countries involved to agree to stop killing blue whales because there were virtually none left. As the biggest of the whales, they had been relentlessly hunted out first. It was the first global ban on any whaling to happen. Then, in the mid 1970s, Greenpeace’s early whaling campaign shone a spotlight on the industry in a way that had never happened before; showing the public images of whales being killed sparked a movement and a sea-change in popular opinion against whaling. IWC had to change. After over a decade of committed campaigning the ‘Save the Whales’ movement triumphed when the IWC voted in 1982 for a moratorium (ban) commercial whaling. That ban came into force in 1986 and is one of the defining conservation successes of the last hundred years; marking the virtual end of large-scale whaling around the world. It was also a ground-breaking agreement between countries to control what happens on the ‘high seas’; the areas beyond national boundaries." ------------------- more at link. Edited June 20 by Gurn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 7 minutes ago, Gurn said: Whale oil went basically out back when Petroleum and electricity came around. And the few countries that still do whaling are down to numbers they call 'research' levels. Green peace put the boots to most of the remaining harvest. Just as their protests helped stop the incredibly stupid Nuke 'testing' in the pacific. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Protest works, because most people won't change a freaking thing, unless pushed, or inconvenienced Yea, dunno. Greenpeace also didn't care about the human impact of their seal campaign. I'm sure they brought media attention but I have my doubt as to how much actual impact they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Gurn said: Memeber when Green Peace was doing all sorts of weird and wacky stuff to try to get whaling stopped? Not much whaling going on anymore., just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. My question with that would be is that just correlation or causation? The whales started dwindling in numbers which became more public knowledge. Let say Green Peace didn't do such weird stuff while still pushing for public knowledge. Would the outcome have been any different? I'd argue it's not the easiest question to answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 31 minutes ago, The Lock said: My question with that would be is that just correlation or causation? The whales started dwindling in numbers which became more public knowledge. Let say Green Peace didn't do such weird stuff while still pushing for public knowledge. Would the outcome have been any different? I'd argue it's not the easiest question to answer. As someone who was a regular watcher of Whale Wars back in the day, I'd say that public awareness played a bigger part in curtailing the International Whaling trade than the actual actions of Greenpeace. (or more accurately in this case, The Sea Shepherd Society) Watson and his crew spent a lot of time cruising around the Southern ocean, searching for Japanese Whalers, but it's a big ocean and often as not, they would only find them after or during a "harvest". I think I can count on one hand the amount of times I saw a hunt "foiled" in the 5+ seasons I watched. Ultimately (and sadly, IMO) Watson and the Sea Shephers lost a court case to the Institute for Cetacean Research, which was Japan's workaround for the whaling moratorium. They claim to be "conducting research", even though everyone knows they are not doing so. In this case, the actions of Watson and his crew may have been counterproductive, as he was slapped with an injunction and the network Animal Planet cancelled Whale Wars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 5 minutes ago, RupertKBD said: I'd say that public awareness played a bigger part in curtailing the International Whaling trade than the actual actions of Greenpeace. (or more accurately in this case, The Sea Shepherd Society) how did the public become aware of the issue? Perhaps it had to do with the actions of Green Peace and the Sea Shepherds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 minute ago, Gurn said: how did the public become aware of the issue? Perhaps it had to do with the actions of Green Peace and the Sea Shepherds? I think the TV show probably played a big part.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gurn said: Memeber when Green Peace was doing all sorts of weird and wacky stuff to try to get whaling stopped? Not much whaling going on anymore., just a very few holdouts, and even that is in vastly reduced numbers. Whaling took decades upon decades to stop. It wasn't Greenpeace that did it. The main reason that it stopped was because people no longer needed the whale blubber to create things like fuel. What eventually replaced whale blubber? Fossil fuels... Once fossil fuels are replaced by renewables 50-75 years from now, unfortunately there will be someone on a sports message board that will be crediting the "Just Stop Oil" morons for it. I repeat, progress takes time. These people aren't speeding it up by any means. They're just going to cause d-bags (neo-conservatives) to want to keep using fossil fuels out of spite. Edited June 20 by Sabrefan1 Grammar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrefan1 Posted June 20 Author Share Posted June 20 53 minutes ago, Gurn said: how did the public become aware of the issue? Perhaps it had to do with the actions of Green Peace and the Sea Shepherds? People became aware at the same time radio and especially television became available to the masses. Before radio and television, people became aware of the world after the printing press was invented. That was the beginning of holding the elites in power in check. Like we have the internet today to become aware as things are happening, I became aware of the sea through television specials like the old Jacques Cousteau prime time specials. He alone taught me and millions of others to respect the sea and the creatures in it. I never have and never will give a wet fart for Greenpeace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupertKBD Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 On June 27, 1975, members of Canadian Greenpeace took the first ever direct action against whalers who were actively whaling near the Mendocino Ridge about 40 miles west of California. The Greenpeace activists navigated small inflatable Zodiac boats between the Russian whalers of the Dalniy Vostok fleet and the hunted whales. The tactic was intended to prevent the whaling ship gunner from firing the harpoon cannon due to the risk of accidentally striking and harming one of the activists. However, the Russian catcher ship Vlastny fired directly over the heads of Robert Hunter and activist Paul Watson. The event was filmed by Greenpeace and later broadcast in the United States by the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite and other major television networks. The activists were unable to stop the Russian whalers but the airing of this event on television was significant in raising public awareness by making the Save the Whales movement front-page news for the first time.[18][19][20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-whaling I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether or not the actions of Hunter and Watson had an effect..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gurn said: how did the public become aware of the issue? Perhaps it had to do with the actions of Green Peace and the Sea Shepherds? Not using oil and gas vs not killing whales. What economic impact is greater for the average person? Should we not allow or limit people from travel? Have you stopped using all products made from petroleum products yet? Edited June 20 by bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 4 minutes ago, bolt said: Have you stopped using all products made from petroleum products yet? this is such a silly argument, you know that this isn't possible, or necessary, to curb global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LillStrimma Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 6/19/2024 at 5:18 PM, PureQuickness said: I sure as hell hope you're joking here. In an age where you have access to technology and you're posting online here, which signifies privilege, one does NOT have an excuse to be this wrong about history. Host host(Benning)host host 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PureQuickness Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 11 hours ago, LillStrimma said: Host host(Benning)host host You just look foolish for bringing up Benning on a topic that had nothing to do with hockey. You know that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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