[Speculation] Marek believes there will be buyouts to come when window opens 48 hours after Cup Final

[RWJC]

 

Jeff Marek reported on the 32 Thoughts podcast that there will be buyouts in the coming days as the first buyout window will open 48 hours after the completion of the Stanley Cup final and will stay open until 5 p.m. Eastern Time on June 30th. Jeff Skinner of the Buffalo Sabres has been a name that’s been mentioned often when it comes to a buyout, as have Jack Campbell of the Edmonton Oilers and a pair of Philadelphia Flyers in Cam Atkinson and Cal Petersen. With the salary cap rising, teams have become creative when it comes to dumping salary, as evidenced by Barclay Goodrow being placed on waivers and the Washington Capitals and Los Angeles Kings swappingPierre-Luc Dubois for Darcy Kuemper. Buyouts have long-term salary cap ramifications and teams have become more strategic about using them.

 

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2024/06/morning-notes-toffoli-mcgroarty-buyouts.html#ref=home

[Maniwaki Canuck]

So if Milstein can't arrange a trade for Mik in the next few days, add his client to this list.

[Bob Long]

Just now, Maniwaki Canuck said:

So if Milstein can't arrange a trade for Mik in the next few days, add his client to this list.

 

I'd think so. I'd prefer they trade for and sign JG first so we're assured that it's worth it. 

[Maniwaki Canuck]

Just now, Bob Long said:

 

I'd think so. I'd prefer they trade for and sign JG first so we're assured that it's worth it. 

That would certainly be nice.  But we'll still need the cap room for plans B, C and D so it needs to happen anyway.  No offense to Mik but we can't keep someone who isn't performing when we're letting go of players who are.

[Coconuts]

10 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

So if Milstein can't arrange a trade for Mik in the next few days, add his client to this list.

 

I think it's probably likelier than a Mikheyev trade at this point 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

I think it's probably likelier than a Mikheyev trade at this point 

 

DK the Canucks really want IM on the books for four more years?

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

DK the Canucks really want IM on the books for four more years?

 

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

 

 

[stawns]

Just now, Coconuts said:

 

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

 

 

 

That's a depth player they can't add every year for 4 years.  When they need cap space most, they'd be paying $7m in dead cap 

[Coconuts]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

 

That's a depth player they can't add every year for 4 years.  When they need cap space most, they'd be paying $7m in dead cap 

 

Again, depends on the cost to move out Mikheyev. 

 

But there's also a good chance he's simply a Canuck next season. 

[HKSR]

2 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

 

 

I honestly think $1.25 to 1.5M retained would get the job done in terms of a trade.  Given Mikheyev's 30ish point production and his defensive abilities, he's about a $3.5M player.  Retaining would mean his cap his is $3.25M to $3.5M.  Then we'd only carry dead cap for 2 years instead of 4, and the 2nd year with the large OEL dead cap will be a savings vs a buyout.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

 

Again, depends on the cost to move out Mikheyev. 

 

But there's also a good chance he's simply a Canuck next season. 

 

If they can move him without sweetrnrrs, great, if not just swallow it, keep him in the lineup and rebuild his value 

 

He's still a valuable member of the team as his defensive numbers are very good

[Bob Long]

16 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

 

 

 

So let's say Mik's knee actually does rehab properly... that speed is great to have. Which is why I and others think they are also looking at Garland deals as well. We may very well have to keep Mik, move Garly, and hope for a great rehab result. 

[Phil_314]

22 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

In a vacuum yes.  Don't forget the worst years of OEL's buyout are in the next two years.  UNLESS the cap goes up big time, we'd be missing out on the cap space to bring in a top-quality player because we're paying to wriggle out from mistakes, when a little patience may turn Mikheyev into an asset later when he's fully recovered.

[Provost]

42 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

So if Milstein can't arrange a trade for Mik in the next few days, add his client to this list.

Not very likely... they could trade him with a little retention or sweetener that is better than having dead cap for a long time.

If you retained $1 million he becomes very tradeable.  That is a good price for a 3rd liner defensive specialist who had a down year and is a bounceback candidate.

[Maniwaki Canuck]

4 minutes ago, Provost said:

Not very likely... they could trade him with a little retention or sweetener that is better than having dead cap for a long time.

If you retained $1 million he becomes very tradeable.  That is a good price for a 3rd liner defensive specialist who had a down year and is a bounceback candidate.

Disagree.  Management is obviously determined to make Mik go away or they wouldn't have got Milstein involved.  They aren't stupid and will have offered retention at or close to the buyout costs of 1-2 mil they'd pay over the next for years (see a few posts up up the thread).  But so far there's still no takers and that shouldn't be very surprising.  Anyone who wants to take a chance on Mik is waiting for the buyout first, and will then swoop in with a 1-2 mil offer.  That's where this is trending by all indicators.

[tas]

59 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

DK the Canucks really want IM on the books for four more years?

they definitely don't want it, but I think they'll do it and work around the consequences in order to accomplish their goals if necessary. 

[JeremyCuddles]

58 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

 

Not ideal, but it depends on what the cost to move him is 

 

His buyout isn't terrible

 

1.15M

2.15M

1.5M

1.5M

 

Eats into any cap increases and hurts us a bit this offseason, but it could definitely be worse

 

 

The problem is Mik's buyout and OEL's buyout is now 7mil in dead cap for 25/26 season, and roughly 6mil the year after. We barely put together a competent roster LAST season, with OEL's buyout only being  a few hundred thousand on the cap. Let alone with Hronek jumping from 4mil to 7mil, Petey making 11.6mil, and nearly 7mil in dead cap from 2 buyouts. Demko is gonna need a new contract in 26/27 as well. We don't know where Boeser will end up contract wise after this coming season.

 

Much like with the OEL buyout, I'd rather be patient and wait on a Mik buyout. The short term gain isn't worth the long term loss. 7mil in dead cap isn't nothing. Like I said, we barely managed to ice a somewhat decent roster last season without 7mil in dead cap and with Hronek and Petey making much less than they're making now. We must really, REALLY be banking on Lekkerimaki having a Pettersson-like start to his career, Raty becoming top 6, and Willander becoming McAvoy on launch.

[Coconuts]

15 minutes ago, JeremyCuddles said:

The problem is Mik's buyout and OEL's buyout is now 7mil in dead cap for 25/26 season, and roughly 6mil the year after. We barely put together a competent roster LAST season, with OEL's buyout only being  a few hundred thousand on the cap. Let alone with Hronek jumping from 4mil to 7mil, Petey making 11.6mil, and nearly 7mil in dead cap from 2 buyouts. Demko is gonna need a new contract in 26/27 as well. We don't know where Boeser will end up contract wise after this coming season.

 

Much like with the OEL buyout, I'd rather be patient and wait on a Mik buyout. The short term gain isn't worth the long term loss. 7mil in dead cap isn't nothing. Like I said, we barely managed to ice a somewhat decent roster last season without 7mil in dead cap and with Hronek and Petey making much less than they're making now. We must really, REALLY be banking on Lekkerimaki having a Pettersson-like start to his career, Raty becoming top 6, and Willander becoming McAvoy on launch.

 

I get that, I'd forgotten about the OEL bit when making my original post. 

 

As for Lekkerimaki and Willander, they're great prospects but that seems unlikely imo. I'd love to be wrong, but I have more modest expectations of their rookie years. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Willander went back to Boston, he'd get a bigger opportunity there. 

 

If they earn spots they'll get looks, but I think it'll be tougher competition for Willander than Lekkerimaki, but I'm also hoping we bolster the right side beyond just bringing Myers back. 

 

Lekkerimaki is a great prospect but I wouldn't call him a Pettersson level prospect, what Raty turns into is anyone's guess but I'm expecting more of a middle six ceiling. 

Edited June 22 by Coconuts

[Provost]

50 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said:

Disagree.  Management is obviously determined to make Mik go away or they wouldn't have got Milstein involved.  They aren't stupid and will have offered retention at or close to the buyout costs of 1-2 mil they'd pay over the next for years (see a few posts up up the thread).  But so far there's still no takers and that shouldn't be very surprising.  Anyone who wants to take a chance on Mik is waiting for the buyout first, and will then swoop in with a 1-2 mil offer.  That's where this is trending by all indicators.

It isn't even the end of the playoffs, what makes you think they already offered to retain salary?  Heck, they would likely try waiving him before doing that and getting by his limited NTC and they haven't done that either.  Telling the agent he is free to talk to other teams doesn't mean they have offered to retain or any sweeteners as of yet.

Shitty teams generally can't sign guys who have been bought out, they have their money and look for places with a chance to win.  It isn't as easy as getting him for cheap because there are a bunch of other teams in the mix.  Getting him with retention means you have club control.

There have only been a handful of moves and the action will pick up really quickly in the 48hrs after the Cup is awarded.  They aren't in desperation mode yet.

Edited June 22 by Provost

[King Heffy]

1 hour ago, stawns said:

 

DK the Canucks really want IM on the books for four more years?

Sadly, management have proven that they're willing to cripple the franchise with dead cap over a long period of time.  I'd much rather they make a trade with a sweetener like any management qualified to work in hockey ops would have done, but sadly this group is too stupid to understand this.

[stawns]

7 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Sadly, management have proven that they're willing to cripple the franchise with dead cap over a long period of time.  I'd much rather they make a trade with a sweetener like any management qualified to work in hockey ops would have done, but sadly this group is too stupid to understand this.

 

I'd much rather they be patient and hang on to him until he's got some value again........hes still one of the best defensive players on the team.

[King Heffy]

5 minutes ago, stawns said:

 

I'd much rather they be patient and hang on to him until he's got some value again........hes still one of the best defensive players on the team.

Sadly, they lack the ability to do any kind of long-term strategic planning.  These baboons are the kind of idiots who'll max out the credit card and then start applying for payday loans.

[grumpyone]

2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

 

I think it's probably likelier than a Mikheyev trade at this point 

so you're telling me that we'll be getting that ever popular...... future considerations?

[Coconuts]

3 minutes ago, grumpyone said:

so you're telling me that we'll be getting that ever popular...... future considerations?

 

I hope so, what a legend 

[Alflives]

We aren’t buying out anyone this coming window. The Empties are saying PA is working hard to trade Garland to free up cap. Seems the value we fans think Garland has just ain’t so.