Bure10Kuzmenko96 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, MeanSeanBean said: We have tons of cap. The OEL last year was one thing, we really didn't have space. But we did have flexibility this year. Saying otherwise is just false. That's why we are clearly in the mix to sign the highest paid FA BEFORE this came to light. Blow it all on the highest paid FA then what? Be screwed for more? We didn't even have enough to sign our own FA with Mikheyev on the roster. I'm happy with the trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: What time is it in Bali? 8:30am. He should be waking up now… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, MeanSeanBean said: Yeah, that's fair. Maybe this is just a trauma response I'm having right now. It's not like I'm pissed or anything. It just feels like we've seen this song and dance. I agree...I will say that when trader Jim joined the Canucks we all knew his history. I do appreciate the fact that when he makes a mistake he fix's it instead of handcuffing us for years and taking away any chance of getting better. It's frustrating that it comes at the expense of trading away high draft picks though. He has gotten good value in trades though IMO...He freed us up from Pearson's contact, Beauviller and got some value in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 At one point Milstien probably loved Vancouver! Signed Kuzmenko and Mikheyev, then extended Kuz, traded for Zadarov and now we’ve cap dumped Kuz and told him to find a trade partner for Mikheyev! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarbularyBattery Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, R3aL said: Ideally I would love to add carrier or a marino since then you could see how Hronek could move off the top pairing without it being who plays with Hughes? or give another guy a solid partner on the right side. Soucy-Myers were playing against Mcdavid in a matchup role and did quite well though. And Myers isn't exactly a sit back dman he needs a guy to cover him too as he takes risks. That's also why I think Soucy has been his best partner on our team. But if we signed Z, and Carrier at the expense of Myers: Hughes-Hronek or Hughes-Carrier Z/Soucy-Carrier or Z/Soucy-Hronek Soucy/Z-Juulsen/Friedman In a pretty cool world where salary cap angels helped us get to where we want, this d group would excite me: Hughes-Hronek Zadorov-Carrier Soucy-Myers Im just not sure if signing or acquiring a guy at the expense of Myers at an increased cost will improve our team. I do agree if Myers can come back at 2.5m or so its kind of a no-brainer. Thats 3rd pair money, and makes it possible to fill the 2nd pair spot with someone great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Didn’t millstein convince Kuz to goto Calgary in a similar situation? Hopefully he can facilitate this too.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey O Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: 8:30am. He should be waking up now… If you're in Bali on vacation, you're not waking up until noon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks curse Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Just now, Darius said: Didn’t millstein convince Kuz to goto Calgary in a similar situation? Hopefully he can facilitate this too.. he will because he reps Zads and Mil$tein wants lads to be happy and get more $$$$ from Van Mil$tein would make several hundred of thousands if he can get Milky to go to CHI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Blitz-Pix said: I agree...I will say that when trader Jim joined the Canucks we all knew his history. I do appreciate the fact that when he makes a mistake he fix's it instead of handcuffing us for years and taking away any chance of getting better. It's frustrating that it comes at the expense of trading away high draft picks though. He has gotten good value in trades though IMO...He freed us up from Pearson's contact, Beauviller and got some value in return. JR and PA getting ready for Free Agent Frenzy… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KesLord Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 If we get Guentzel, it pretty much means: Mikeyev lafferty 2nd for Guentzel 4th 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Darius said: Didn’t millstein convince Kuz to goto Calgary in a similar situation? Hopefully he can facilitate this too.. Chicago is a neat city. If Milstein can convince Kuzy to go to that crap heap, Chicago should be an easy sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 minutes ago, stawns said: I still hope they don't sign JG.........they can add some serious depth now, if they don't I am fine signing him but don’t want to be in a bidding war for him. Considering his age and the later years of a 7 year contract being tough, he is maybe worth $8 million and will get $9-10 million. I think lots of teams will try to clear cap to sign him and a couple other top free agents (most of them will be disappointed when they don’t win the bidding). I think there is going to be value in those deals and buyouts. Mayne JR can leverage his relationship and sign for a reasonable number. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 4 minutes ago, stawns said: I still hope they don't sign JG.........they can add some serious depth now, if they don't Need an impact player to play with Petey first and foremost. I have no interest in overpaying for more third liners. We just paid a 2nd to get rid of one. If you’re gonna overpay, overpay for elite talent. Guentzel is that. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip The Mesh Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Mik started with what seemed to good hockey sense and played some games with Kuzmenko; Looked reasonable, but it didn't take long for things to off the rails. Never really was able to grasp the meaning of Tocchet hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Blitz-Pix said: I agree...I will say that when trader Jim joined the Canucks we all knew his history. I do appreciate the fact that when he makes a mistake he fix's it instead of handcuffing us for years and taking away any chance of getting better. It's frustrating that it comes at the expense of trading away high draft picks though. He has gotten good value in trades though IMO...He freed us up from Pearson's contact, Beauviller and got some value in return. And I've liked most the moves the management has made and been complimentary of the job they have done. But I'm also ok with criticism when I feel it's warranted. I felt signing Mik was a bad call the day it happened, and it has worked out that way. I think buying him out seems drastic, and I look forward to being proven wrong when they make a huge move with the cap space to improve the team. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammertime Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: 2nd? I’m all for it.. how many 2nd rounder have worked out for this franchise? I’m assuming it’s this years 2nd? It’s a late 2nd anyways in the 50s able to rid mikheyev and getting a player in ufa or re-signing one of our own is like hitting on a 2nd Some of the ones traded away which most have been have worked out for other franchises. But off the top of my head Hoglander and Demko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekker Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: 8:30am. He should be waking up now… Mik may be up, but I gaurantee his hands are still asleep. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: That extra $1.5-2 million is going to be used for a top winger for Petey. There is only so much cap to go around. We aren’t spending that extra money on a Pesce or Roy. That’s a luxury not a necessity. We almost beat Edmonton without that luxury. Also, Zadorov will be signed and he is basically a luxury item as well, so that extra money is his as well. Hughes Hronek Soucy Myers Zadorov Juulsen I have no issues with rolling with this group for next season. This defence is good enough to beat the Oilers. I’d rather spend any extra cap on the top 6 forward group. With this trade, we have enough cap to sign a winger for Petey, Zadorov and an actual top 4D. If we can squeeze Myers in on the 3rd pair after that, great. But I don't expect him to take that much of a discount. Hughes, Hronek Zadorov, Marino/Pesce/Tanev/Carrier etc Soucy, ____ (near league min guy) ^^^^^ way better 2 minutes ago, R3aL said: I know what would it cost Hoglander? We cant sign Z sign Myers and acquire Marino I do not think if actually signing JG I just cant imagine signing Z, adding a $4M+ dman on the right side and retaining Myers unless myers take s crazy discount. Exactly why Myers is like the lowest priority here. Nail down Z, go for the top 6 W and top 4 RHD, fill in from there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, Darius said: Didn’t millstein convince Kuz to goto Calgary in a similar situation? Hopefully he can facilitate this too.. Isn't Milstein part of our front office...he must be on JR's payroll right? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, KesLord said: If we get Guentzel, it pretty much means: Mikeyev lafferty 2nd for Guentzel 4th Id look at it like: HUNTER B KUZMENKO 1st 2nd 3rd Mikehyev Lafferty rights for: Lindholm for Playoffs Guentzel Zadorov 4th (which could get moved to the other side if its used to acquire JG rights early) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Hammertime said: Some of the ones traded away which most have been have worked out for other franchises. But off the top of my head Hoglander and Demko Lind, Gadjovich, Woo, Klimovich, Rodin. Its a crapshoot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz-Pix Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bob Long said: Chicago is a neat city. If Milstein can convince Kuzy to go to that crap heap, Chicago should be an easy sell. Just as cold...but these are Russian players and cold isn't in their vocabulary. Edited June 27 by Blitz-Pix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmok Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 10 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: also makes me laugh when people praise JR / PA for this trade...like... we signed this dude as UFA 2 summers ago... trading (yet another) 2nd round pick just to offload this contract that they signed is nothing to praise They signed a guy with two functioning ACL's. Its not like they could predict his knee would give. Before the injury he was looking like a steal playing with petey and Kuz. Those three were lighting it up. After his knee injury they have identified that they can make better use of the cap space and are pulling the trigger to move him during what should be a 2 to 3 year window. That's good management. Circumstances change and managers don't have crystal balls. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Ilya Mikheyev bidding war?? Let's go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: With this trade, we have enough cap to sign a winger for Petey, Zadorov and an actual top 4D. If we can squeeze Myers in on the 3rd pair after that, great. But I don't expect him to take that much of a discount. Hughes, Hronek Zadorov, Marino/Pesce/Tanev/Carrier etc Soucy, ____ (near league min guy) ^^^^^ way better Exactly why Myers is like the lowest priority here. Nail down Z, go for the top 6 W and top 4 RHD, fill in from there. Ya, I think the play seems to be if we can afford Myers… great. If we get the priority signings done and can’t afford him, then Juulsen is a capable partner for Soucy with Friedman/McWard as 7-8 and some farm guys as injury call ups. Edited June 27 by Provost 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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