Canadian Politics Thread

[Satchmo]

32 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

My sisters ex husband Father flew a plane for Germany in WW2.

 

Does that mean my nephew is nazi because of his Grandfather?

 

Asking for a friend.

I think it will all depend on how he plans to vote.

[bishopshodan]

52 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said:

My sisters ex husband Father flew a plane for Germany in WW2.

 

Does that mean my nephew is nazi because of his Grandfather?

 

Asking for a friend.

 

Like you and @4petesake I have some 'ties' to them Nazis.

 

My wife is half German. My grandfathers and her German one were on opposite sides. I believe hers was a firefighter. My mother-in-law's birth certificate is something to behold. It has swastikas all over it. The familly lost everything after the war. She has horrible war and post war tales, mostly told to her by her older sister as she was very young. The one that sticks out for me was that she ( as a toddler) , her sister and mother were surrounded by Russian troops on a bridge. They were going to rape them, the mother was threatening to jump with the kids until a higher ranking officer called them off. 

 

To think, I almost didnt get to know the love of my life due to the hell that is war. 
 

Anyway, we are not what our grandparents were. 

 

Go Canucks.

Edited December 22, 2023 by bishopshodan

[Gurn]

Sadly way too many people conflate terms.

For too many folk a German soldier is a Nazi, just as for too many people a person against the actions of the Israeli government is an anti semite, or terrorist supporter

 

the level of discussion, and thought has dropped very, very low in recent years.

Too much click bait internet and tv.

If it bleeds it leads- it doesn't have to be true-it just has to get views; so that advertisers will pay.

 

Meanwhile, all this stuff goes on, and the division gets larger.

And the rich get richer, and richer and richer.

When is the last time anyone spared a thought for the "occupy Wall Street movement"?

Crickets on the important stuff, keep the peons fighting against themselves.

 

A guy I used to work with would say "When the peasants start getting upset, the land barons would bring in the circus and throw out a few loaves of bread to distract them".

 

Old solution, but still effective in todays times.

[PeteyBOI]

atta boy harman... keep talking you belong to be there

[Duodenum]

 

Alberta legalizing bribery of public officials, yikes. This is the big worry once PP takes control after the next election. 

 

Canada needs a functioning NDP party fast. The Cons will be corrupt always as that's the party corporations always back. Problem is the Libs are corrupt and in their pockets as well. By functioning NDP, i don't mean that they win the election but they get enough votes and have the balls to keep the two main parties in check.

[Elias Pettersson]

22 minutes ago, Duodenum said:

 

Alberta legalizing bribery of public officials, yikes. This is the big worry once PP takes control after the next election. 

 

Canada needs a functioning NDP party fast. The Cons will be corrupt always as that's the party corporations always back. Problem is the Libs are corrupt and in their pockets as well. By functioning NDP, i don't mean that they win the election but they get enough votes and have the balls to keep the two main parties in check.

Wasn’t Glen Clark, the leader of the BC NDP party, forced to resign and was criminally charged because he accepted bribes?  Didn’t the entire BC NDP party get obliterated in the 2001 provincial election because of all of their bribery and scandals?  Bingogate, Ferrygate, Casinogate. I think the NDP party set the record for most scandals in BC political history. 

[Gurn]

37 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Wasn’t Glen Clark, the leader of the BC NDP party, forced to resign and was criminally charged because he accepted bribes?

Yep, there was a perceived bribe- but it was also mostly for being stupid.

Who is so dense as to lose their job, over getting a free patio deck built on their house?

Major concern was the guy that built the deck was applying for a casino license, iirc.

 

[Sharpshooter]

On 12/21/2023 at 4:03 PM, Satchmo said:

Thank God it's a game day.  Maybe we can all chill out a bit.  Go Canucks Go!

Apropos for today.
 

I’m trying not to ban people over Christmas but fer Chrissakes, you are all testing me. 
 

Forgive them Sharp, they no not what they post. 

[Miss Korea]

54 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Wasn’t Glen Clark, the leader of the BC NDP party, forced to resign and was criminally charged because he accepted bribes?  Didn’t the entire BC NDP party get obliterated in the 2001 provincial election because of all of their bribery and scandals?  Bingogate, Ferrygate, Casinogate. I think the NDP party set the record for most scandals in BC political history. 

 

Clark's BC NDP is long gone.  David Eby is a solid successor candidate for the federal NDP should he ever decide to step away from provincial politics.

[Gurn]

National Post- going wacky- again.

They put up an opinion piece where the author is imagining the thoughts of Hamas- and then don't allow comments.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/are-you-there-trudeau-it-s-me-extremist-islam-inside-the-imagined-thoughts-of-hamas/ar-AA1lWckZ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f6c88fcd154144b7809178649dab0837&ei=69.

 

 

[The Lock]

4 minutes ago, Gurn said:

National Post- going wacky- again.

They put up an opinion piece where the author is imagining the thoughts of Hamas- and then don't allow comments.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/are-you-there-trudeau-it-s-me-extremist-islam-inside-the-imagined-thoughts-of-hamas/ar-AA1lWckZ?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f6c88fcd154144b7809178649dab0837&ei=69.

 

Yeah I'm always leary of any pieces like this that doesn't allow commenting as it doesn't allow for the debunking of such things. Even if is says it's an opinion piece, it could easily be used as propaganda as a result and you have to ask if this is the intention of the article.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Duodenum]

10 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Wasn’t Glen Clark, the leader of the BC NDP party, forced to resign and was criminally charged because he accepted bribes?  Didn’t the entire BC NDP party get obliterated in the 2001 provincial election because of all of their bribery and scandals?  Bingogate, Ferrygate, Casinogate. I think the NDP party set the record for most scandals in BC political history. 

I don't know what this has to do with my post, it's just a whataboutism.

 

He was also acquitted of all charges of bribery. They were alleged but they found out through the courts that he, in fact, did not accept any bribes. 

 

Danielle Smith has literally added bribery as an ok thing to do in her province, talk about that.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Duodenum

[Sharpshooter]

Danielle Smith is running Alberta terribly. 
 

I’d say more but then I’d need to be moderated. 

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, Duodenum said:

I don't know what this has to do with my post, it's just a whataboutism.

 

He was also acquitted of all charges of bribery. They were alleged but they found out through the courts that he, in fact, did not accept any bribes. 

 

Danielle Smith has literally added bribery as an ok thing to do in her province, talk about that.

 

The NDP under Glen Clark were literally being run like a Mafia crime family.  They had more scandals than any other party in Canadian political history. They literally lost every seat but two in the 2001 election.  It was the worst political defeat ever in BC political history and the second worst in Canadian Provincial history. 

 

As for this current federal NDP government keeping the other parties in check, I don’t see anything that Jagmeet Singh is doing that would support that statement.  All Jagmeet Singh is doing is making sure that he is staying relevant in politics by siding with the Liberals so an election can’t be called.  

 

He should do the right thing and stop his alliance with the Liberals so that an election can be called in 2024.  The majority of Canadians don’t want Trudeau around anymore which is reflected in every single poll.  As time goes by the polls get worse for Trudeau not better.  He actually should resign so that he can try and save his party from embarrassment in the next election, but his ego is too big to do that, so Trudeau will be taking the Liberals with him when their ship sinks like the Titanic.

[Gurn]

guess the NDP getting a dental care program going, in return for voting with the Liberals, escapes some people's attention.

And if governments changed every time the polls, changed we'd have elections every 6 months-which would be very expensive and non productive.

[Heretic]

What a fantastic legacy he leaves for all Canadians!

 

FYI: This looks more official:  https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by Heretic

[The Lock]

3 hours ago, Heretic said:

What a fantastic legacy he leaves for all Canadians!

 

FYI: This looks more official:  https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/national-government-debt

 

 

Not that this makes Trudeau's time look that much better, but there's an interesting thing to note if we look before Trudeau. The other times debt really increased were in times where the Conservatives were in charge (ie. Mulroney and Harper). Chretien, another Liberal leader, even saw the debt decrease.

 

Covid also happened during Trudeau's time. Would the Conservatives really that done better? We'll obviously never know, but I doubt it would have been the opposite. I even highly doubt it would have been stable due to Covid alone. Keep in mind, before Covid, Trudeau was on a similar tragectory as Harper.

 

Don't get me wrong. Like I said, it isn't to excuse Trudeau, but your chart's clearly done in a more propagandist way, removing any context that really describes what's going on outside of the debt increasing while Trudeau was in power. It doesn't say why or anything and as soon as you add context, it's not much different than Harper, just with Covid to rapidly increase it.

 

(Edit) Also, your graph is actually incorrect anyway as Trudeau wasn't put into power after a decline in debt. That was actually Harper and the bottom of the decline was early 2000's after Martin. You might want to consider the sources you're using as they appear to be effectively misleading you and not even accurate. They purposely added 1867 to 1965 just to make it easy to misread the actual important part so that you don't question it.

 

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[Johngould21]

22 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Wasn’t Glen Clark, the leader of the BC NDP party, forced to resign and was criminally charged because he accepted bribes?  Didn’t the entire BC NDP party get obliterated in the 2001 provincial election because of all of their bribery and scandals?  Bingogate, Ferrygate, Casinogate. I think the NDP party set the record for most scandals in BC political history. 

No, he didn't resign. Mike Harcourt voluntarily resigned because of Casino debacle by one of his cabinet ministers in Nanaimo. While you're at it, why not mention Glen Clark's deck, BCTV had camera crews at his doorstep over that. The same Glen Clark who was Jim Pattison's right hand man for years after getting out of politics and becoming CEO of Jim Pattison Group.

But, lets go with Gordo and the Red Mitton gang's accomplishments. DUI in Maui while in office, the HST debacle, the Olympic cost overruns, and not including highway construction costs in the final budget, the battle and loss with the BCTF over class sizes over 10 years in the courts, the Convention Center cost overruns, BC Place overruns leading up to the Olympics, someone had to pay for them. Yes gordo made the NDP pay for losing all but two seats, but the NDP got the last laugh when Christy Clark got decimated by Horgan in '15. I love how the Socreds bring up the Fast Cats, when seeing the cost overruns on projects like the Site C damn which isn't completed yet, but I'm sure will hit $20B. If it ever gets up and running with water shortages in the Northeast. That was built because Christy wanted mega projects, but hey, lets go ahead without any planning.

Edited December 24, 2023 by Johngould21

[Elias Pettersson]

17 minutes ago, Johngould21 said:

No, he didn't resign. Mike Harcourt voluntarily resigned because of Casino debacle by one of his cabinet ministers in Nanaimo. While you're at it, why not mention Glen Clark's deck, BCTV had camera crews at his doorstep over that. The same Glen Clark who was Jim Pattison's right hand man for years after getting out of politics and becoming CEO of Jim Pattison Group.

But, lets go with Gordo and the Red Mitton gang's accomplishments. DUI in Maui while in office, the HST debacle, the Olympic cost overruns, and not including highway construction costs in the final budget, the battle and loss with the BCTF over class sizes over 10 years in the courts, the Convention Center cost overruns, BC Place overruns leading up to the Olympics, someone had to pay for them. Yes gordo made the NDP pay for losing all but two seats, but the NDP got the last laugh when Christy Clark got decimated by Horgan in '15. I love how the Socreds bring up the Fast Cats, when seeing the cost overruns on projects like the Site C damn which isn't completed yet, but I'm sure will hit $20B. If it ever gets up and running with water shortages in the Northeast. That was built because Christy wanted mega projects, but hey, lets go ahead without any planning.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.196423

 

Glen Clark has resigned
 

The Premier of British Columbia announced he was stepping down this afternoon. His resignation follows the release of a search warrant that showed Clark was the focus of an investigation into casino licensing and alleged influence peddling. 
 

Yesterday, B.C.'s attorney general said the premier was still the focus of a criminal investigation.

[Elias Pettersson]

6 hours ago, Gurn said:

guess the NDP getting a dental care program going, in return for voting with the Liberals, escapes some people's attention.

And if governments changed every time the polls, changed we'd have elections every 6 months-which would be very expensive and non productive.

Yes I agree. Calling an election in the middle of a pandemic which ultimately only flipped 5 seats and changed nothing and cost over $600 million was the biggest waste of taxpayers money we have ever seen. 
 

Why exactly did Trudeau think it was a good idea to call an election in the middle of a pandemic only 2 years after the last one and spending over $600 million on it when we were already in the hole by billions of dollars? Did he think he could flip the voting and get a majority government because of his awesomeness during the pandemic?  

Edited December 24, 2023 by Elias Pettersson

[RupertKBD]

I love how the anti-Trudeau people post debt numbers  as a criticism....

 

....as if a global pandemic never happened.

[The Lock]

7 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

I love how the anti-Trudeau people post debt numbers  as a criticism....

 

....as if a global pandemic never happened.

 

I just hate propaganda charts. What got me were them purposely adding the 1st 100 years to it. Whoever made that chart @Heretic posted knew what they were doing and did it for malicious purposes.

Edited December 24, 2023 by The Lock

[4petesake]

5 minutes ago, The Lock said:

 

I just hate propaganda charts. What got me were them purposely adding the 1st 100 years to it. Whoever made that chart @Heretic posted knew what they were doing and did it for malicious purposes.

 

Not nearly so impressive without that long flat line…

[Gurn]

2 hours ago, Johngould21 said:

No, he didn't resign. Mike Harcourt voluntarily resigned because of Casino debacle by one of his cabinet ministers in Nanaimo. While you're at it, why not mention Glen Clark's deck, BCTV had camera crews at his doorstep over that. The same Glen Clark who was Jim Pattison's right hand man for years after getting out of politics and becoming CEO of Jim Pattison Group.

But, lets go with Gordo and the Red Mitton gang's accomplishments. DUI in Maui while in office, the HST debacle, the Olympic cost overruns, and not including highway construction costs in the final budget, the battle and loss with the BCTF over class sizes over 10 years in the courts, the Convention Center cost overruns, BC Place overruns leading up to the Olympics, someone had to pay for them. Yes gordo made the NDP pay for losing all but two seats, but the NDP got the last laugh when Christy Clark got decimated by Horgan in '15. I love how the Socreds bring up the Fast Cats, when seeing the cost overruns on projects like the Site C damn which isn't completed yet, but I'm sure will hit $20B. If it ever gets up and running with water shortages in the Northeast. That was built because Christy wanted mega projects, but hey, lets go ahead without any planning.

Also cost the tax payers quite a bit of money when they had to repay the HEU members that had their contract ripped up-plus court costs- which were extensive, given the government tried to change a couple of commas- and pretend this now made their actions legal. Court was not impressed.

12 minutes ago, RupertKBD said:

I love how the anti-Trudeau people post debt numbers  as a criticism....

 

....as if a global pandemic never happened.

And they completely ignore that all the parties agreed to the outlay of money, during that time. Coalition government to the max- for a while.

[Johngould21]

On 12/23/2023 at 2:22 PM, Miss Korea said:

 

Clark's BC NDP is long gone.  David Eby is a solid successor candidate for the federal NDP should he ever decide to step away from provincial politics.

As well as the fast cats, that the right wing media brings up every election. Site C has more than made up for that.